Heater Controls

claydoctor

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Does anyone have a quick explanation of how the heater works. My 2006 has 26K on it now and I still have no idea how the heater works despite reading the manual 2 or 3 times. It seems to have a mind of its own. To me A/C= cold air. Does it mean something else to the Japanese. Why is A/C light on when I'm trying to get heat. I don't need cold air coming out of the vents in December despite repeatedly bumping up the temp over 70. Whether it is on Auto or not, it just does what it wants. My Explorer had a lot of faults but it had a temp control, a fan control, and a vent control. If cold air was coming out of the vents, you just turned that little knob from blue to red. Apparently Toyota engineers don't believe in the KISS principle. Any advice is appreciated.
 
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my ac light comes on when i push for auto but not when using the regular heat. i assume you have tried the up temp down temp. sometimes my circulation option changes itself from recirc to outside. can you turn the ac off when you are running the heat?
 
Even if I'm not on automatic, it seems to me if the temp is set at 70-71 and it's 50 or below outside, it shouldn't be blowing cool air. If I jack it up to about 80, it starts blowing warm air but it just doesn't seem like I should have to do that. For the most part, I just leave them alone and hope for the best.
 
The auto temp setting is like the thermostat in your house; set the temp to whatever you want the temp to be. Unlike the blue and red colored knob on manual controls, the auto temp setting does not control the temp of the air coming out of the vents.

Beyond that basic starting point, you have to throw in a couple more variables. First, the system measures the amount of sunlight, and it will compensate for sunlight with cooler air. So it's trying to anticipate how much the sun will heat up the interior, and then it possibly blows cooler air to maintain your set temp. The lower your set temp, the more likely it will be that it will blow cool air in direct sunlight, regardless of the outside temp.

Second, the system uses the A/C compressor as a dehumidifier at an outside temp all the way down to about 35 degrees. As long as it's not cold enough outside to cause things to freeze, the A/C might be on. The light on the A/C button is almost always on, but that's not indicitive of whether or not the A/C is really running.

Finally, it will adjust the recirculating mode to provide the most efficient heating/cooling possible. For example, in the summer, it will always turn on recirc mode right away when you start the truck. That's because it's more effective to cool air you've already tried to cool, rather than cooling fresh hot air. That's necessary at least until the A/C system gets up to speed, and then it will turn the recirc off. The Owners Manual has always recommended this practice with manual A/C controls; the auto computer is just doing it as a matter of fact.

In the winter months, I've got the temp set at 74, and I never have to touch it.
 
toto said:
The auto temp setting is like the thermostat in your house; set the temp to whatever you want the temp to be. Unlike the blue and red colored knob on manual controls, the auto temp setting does not control the temp of the air coming out of the vents.

Beyond that basic starting point, you have to throw in a couple more variables. First, the system measures the amount of sunlight, and it will compensate for sunlight with cooler air. So it's trying to anticipate how much the sun will heat up the interior, and then it possibly blows cooler air to maintain your set temp. The lower your set temp, the more likely it will be that it will blow cool air in direct sunlight, regardless of the outside temp.

Second, the system uses the A/C compressor as a dehumidifier at an outside temp all the way down to about 35 degrees. As long as it's not cold enough outside to cause things to freeze, the A/C might be on. The light on the A/C button is almost always on, but that's not indicitive of whether or not the A/C is really running.

Finally, it will adjust the recirculating mode to provide the most efficient heating/cooling possible. For example, in the summer, it will always turn on recirc mode right away when you start the truck. That's because it's more effective to cool air you've already tried to cool, rather than cooling fresh hot air. That's necessary at least until the A/C system gets up to speed, and then it will turn the recirc off. The Owners Manual has always recommended this practice with manual A/C controls; the auto computer is just doing it as a matter of fact.

In the winter months, I've got the temp set at 74, and I never have to touch it.


Well this is what mine does in the auto 'OFF' position. On cold days, it will basically cook me out of the truck. I can have it set at 65 and it's blowing heat so hot out of those vents you can't breathe.

If I go down to 'lo' then it shoots freezing cold air at me, and then the recirc light comes on. So the windows fog up after about 10 minutes.

I really wish Toyota would do something to fix this system. If I set the display at '65' then just have it blow out a temp of air that is 65. Not 105.
 
Oh the joys of modern systems and the manufacturers attempts to tey and make us think less. Both of our Subarus have automatic climate control systems and we have the same complaints about both vehicles. No point going back to the dealer on the Subarus as everyone seems to have the same problems. I guess I am lucky with my 06 4runner as I haven't had any compaints about the system yet.
 
cdoyle said:
Well this is what mine does in the auto 'OFF' position. On cold days, it will basically cook me out of the truck. I can have it set at 65 and it's blowing heat so hot out of those vents you can't breathe.

If I go down to 'lo' then it shoots freezing cold air at me, and then the recirc light comes on. So the windows fog up after about 10 minutes.

I really wish Toyota would do something to fix this system. If I set the display at '65' then just have it blow out a temp of air that is 65. Not 105.

Hey cdoyle, you sound like you had the same problem I had....if you ever had your lower dash panel removed for any reason there is a good chance that your cabin temp sensor is unplugged. When I had my Viper system installed they forgot to plug it back in,, this resulted in me only being able to run my temp at 65 or off, and it still was pumping out very hot air. as soon as I checked sure enough it was unplugged. Fixed everthing. I can now set it too Auto and any temp and it works great. Here is a thread with a picture to show you the connector. I think the dead give away for this being the problem is that if you set you temp to Auto the fan speed never changes it just keeps pumping out heat.

http://www.toyota-4runner.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=17403&highlight=HVAC+controls

Just seeing if this helps..but this was the cause for the same thing you are explaining for a few of us on this forum.
 
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On the way to work this morning after about a mile the vents are blowing hot air, the A/C light is ON, the AUTO light is off and the blower is in the M position. The outside temp is in the mid 30's and the temp is set to 71. I didn't touch anything. On the way home, A/C is still on, outside temp is 54 and temp still set to 71. It's blowing cold air out the vents and the and the fan has gone to LOW??( Why did the fan speed change if I'm not on AUTO) What galls me is that whether it is on AUTO or MANUAL it does what the hell IT wants to do. In reality,there is really no MANUAL setting at all!
 
claydoctor said:
On the way to work this morning after about a mile the vents are blowing hot air, the A/C light is ON, the AUTO light is off and the blower is in the M position. The outside temp is in the mid 30's and the temp is set to 71. I didn't touch anything. On the way home, A/C is still on, outside temp is 54 and temp still set to 71. It's blowing cold air out the vents and the and the fan has gone to LOW??( Why did the fan speed change if I'm not on AUTO) What galls me is that whether it is on AUTO or MANUAL it does what the hell IT wants to do. In reality,there is really no MANUAL setting at all!

this reminds me, on cold mornings if I turn the defroster on. It changes the fan to HI. Even if the auto button is off.
 
Can't remember who did the review on the 4Runner. But one of the flaws cited was the climate control varied temperature coming out of the air vents by +/- 4* F from the set temperature. This is one of the things that I found annoying about the climate control in addition to the auto recirculate, though the recirculate doesn't come on as much on mine as some members reported here. My recent snowboarding trip with temps of high 20s, I probably was playing with the temperature every 10 minutes and defogging the windshield.

This one technological advance I don't care for. I rather have the complete manual climate controls that I have on all my other cars. I can control the temp with the fan in the 'Off' position and be comfortable for the entire drive, whereas this auto climate control mess, I have to turn the fan on, set the temp and shut the fan off. I don't even want to get into the 'Auto' mode.

Edit: Also, the AC linked defroster is a great idea on paper, but isn't ideal for me. Once the glass is cleared, I rather just set it to heat and set the vents to floor and windshield, instead of getting blasts of cold air every time the windows fog. :bash:
 
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OK here I go again. For the past week or more, I have been leaving both the AC and the Auto both OFF but have the blower control on LOW. To my mind I should be in toatl maual control. Temp is set to 71. I leave the house and once it warms up, it's blowing really hot air it'll drive you outa there. I get back in the car at midday and I'm driving around for an hour or so and I notice it's blowing cold air out of the vents. still set on 71, outside temp is in the 30's and inside temp is mid 50's. What is it trying to do? It's not trying to blow 71 degree air out of the vent at midday. It's not trying to adjust inside temp to 71 degrees or it would be blowing hot air since inside temp is 55?? Later that day on the way home, still 55 degrees in car and it's blowing hot as hell again?
It's so damned complicated that it's hard to figure out if it's really broken. If I take it to dealer, I'll probably blow a day w/o my car and be told it's working correctly. Frustrating!!
 
claydoctor said:
OK here I go again. For the past week or more, I have been leaving both the AC and the Auto both OFF but have the blower control on LOW. To my mind I should be in toatl maual control. Temp is set to 71. I leave the house and once it warms up, it's blowing really hot air it'll drive you outa there. I get back in the car at midday and I'm driving around for an hour or so and I notice it's blowing cold air out of the vents. still set on 71, outside temp is in the 30's and inside temp is mid 50's. What is it trying to do? It's not trying to blow 71 degree air out of the vent at midday. It's not trying to adjust inside temp to 71 degrees or it would be blowing hot air since inside temp is 55?? Later that day on the way home, still 55 degrees in car and it's blowing hot as hell again?
It's so damned complicated that it's hard to figure out if it's really broken. If I take it to dealer, I'll probably blow a day w/o my car and be told it's working correctly. Frustrating!!

Hey Claydoctor, not sure if you checked the cabin thermometer I mentioned earlier in the thread, being unplugged. It really sounds like this may be the problem.......I see you have and XM radio, if that was installed as an external unit, then the lower dash cover was most likely removed which is when the sensor could have been unplugged.

http://www.toyota-4runner.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=17403&highlight=HVAC+controls

But this happend to me, when I had the Auto off, and Air off, and fan on any temp besides low it would still have very hot air coming out.

Maybe you already checked this connection, then it could be something else...
 
I read your thread and thought about that. Looks like most of what they did with wiring etc. would have been on passenger side of dash and your connector issue seemed to be on driver side. Also looks like you can't investigate this w/o pulling dash off again which I was hesitant to do.
 
If you are just starting out in the morning or if your runner has been sitting for a while...it will not put out any heat and 'auto' will put the fan on low setting...this is to give the coolant a chance to heat up before extracting heat from it.

After the coolant has a chance to heat up, it will start blowing hot air...and if you had the temp setting up high at the very beginning...very hot air.

Think about a vehicle with standard heating/cooling control...if you sit overnight in 30 degree weather...in the morning when you first start it...it is going to blow out cold air...no matter how high you have the temp knob turned up...until the coolant has been heated up by the running engine.

It is normal for the AC compressor to be running even in cold temps...it drys the air. In older vehicles, you do this when using the defrost setting...help defrost/defog the windows faster than just warm/hot air...

J
 
But in anycase...the way you describe your issue with the heating/cooling system...doesn't seem quite right.

When you starting out in the middle of the day...how long was it sitting? Was the temp (engine) guage in normal temp operating range was it showing flat cold?
 
Claydoctor,

The lower part of the dash is really easy to remove. If you go to here and go to step 3. The temp sensor is right below the ignition switch.

David
 
jwyshrek said:
But in anycase...the way you describe your issue with the heating/cooling system...doesn't seem quite right.

When you starting out in the middle of the day...how long was it sitting? Was the temp (engine) guage in normal temp operating range was it showing flat cold?

Yeah, we're talking apples and oranges. I gave up trying to make sense of ANYTHING if the controls were on AUTO. I'm talking without it on AUTO and set at 71, blowing very hot air at 7:30 AM, blowing cold air at 1 PM and blowing very hot air again at 6PM with very little difference in outside air temperature.
 
There has got to be something wrong with your system. I set mine on auto and 72 degrees and have never touched it. The A/C button is always on but the truck is always comfortable.

I have noticed that it cycles through floor in the morning and picks the defrost as needed.

I am really satisfied with the auto climate control in mine, sorry you've had some many problems with yours.
 
claydoctor,

I'm not sure if this addresses your concern. I've noticed that when the outside temp is really low, like in the high 20s and low 30s, anything set above "max cool", even at 65* F, it's going to spew out hot air. I was trying to figure out what the hell it was doing when I was driving back one night and it was drying out my eyes. It seems that 'auto' is meant for the system to control fan speed and air flow position, but it doesn't give full manual control like old climate systems. The temperature setting controls the overall temperature of the cabin and not the vent temperature. I wonder if the service manual explains in detail how the system is setup.

What I do now is I set the temp where I want it to be somewhere between 68-74 and shut the fan off and set the position where I want it. At higher speeds where air gets pushed in as long as it's in fresh-air mode, it keeps the cabin temperature pretty comfortable.

I noticed in 'Auto' mode, it'll shift to the floor and windshield mode every now and then. Auto climate control is more trouble than it's worth. I rather have full manual climate with three knobs, I can get the temp where I want it to be quickly and not have to fiddle with it every few minutes when the fan is on. The only advantage of auto climate is running the fan for heat, it won't blast you with cold air when the engine is cold.
 
It's got to be the Japanese. My brother says all of his Hondas are just as bad. We just thought we got even for Pearl Harbor.
 

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