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Help. I don't want to buy a Ford
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It’s always amazed me how they could go from the 7.3, which should be in the running for one of the best Diesel engines ever, to that heap of junk.
As far as Toyota, they’ve done the engineering and they sell all their cool stuff elsewhere (hilux, Prado, 70 series, 105 series etc). They’ve just decided to not sell them here. Disappointing.
KingPrat
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I've read through this thread and I'm scratching my head. I'm going to echo a bunch of other people here. You are literally describing a non-premium TRD OR.
Just buy one of them. No push-button. (Only premium models have it) Lever-actuated 4wd. Locker. AND you're not trying to figure out electronics and making things jive.
Don't like CRAWL? Don't use it.
Don't like the scoop? Swap it with someone who does. There are plenty who do. Or just buy a new hood.
Want the two-tone SR5 cloth interior? Swap it in.
You obviously have the money and knowledge to do these things, but to buy a standard SR5 and start mechanically tearing it apart to make it into a TRDOR is, IMO, stupid. Your time is money as well and you've admitted yourself that your electrical knowledge on these newer vehicles is "light"
Unless you just want to do this so you can create a "look what I did" thread?
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Just buy one of them. No push-button. (Only premium models have it) Lever-actuated 4wd. Locker. AND you're not trying to figure out electronics and making things jive.
Don't like CRAWL? Don't use it.
Don't like the scoop? Swap it with someone who does. There are plenty who do. Or just buy a new hood.
Want the two-tone SR5 cloth interior? Swap it in.
You obviously have the money and knowledge to do these things, but to buy a standard SR5 and start mechanically tearing it apart to make it into a TRDOR is, IMO, stupid. Your time is money as well and you've admitted yourself that your electrical knowledge on these newer vehicles is "light"
Unless you just want to do this so you can create a "look what I did" thread?
:I've read through this thread and I'm scratching my head. I'm going to echo a bunch of other people here. You are literally describing a non-premium TRD OR.
Just buy one of them. No push-button. (Only premium models have it) Lever-actuated 4wd. Locker. AND you're not trying to figure out electronics and making things jive.
Don't like CRAWL? Don't use it.
Don't like the scoop? Swap it with someone who does. There are plenty who do. Or just buy a new hood.
Want the two-tone SR5 cloth interior? Swap it in.
You obviously have the money and knowledge to do these things, but to buy a standard SR5 and start mechanically tearing it apart to make it into a TRDOR is, IMO, stupid. Your time is money as well and you've admitted yourself that your electrical knowledge on these newer vehicles is "light"
Unless you just want to do this so you can create a "look what I did" thread?
If the OR comes with a standard key then that settles things. Problem is that I’ve been told only the SR5 has the standard key, and neither the Toyota website or anything I’ve seen online or in person says any different.
If you or someone else here has a standard OR with the regular key I’d like to know because that’s exactly what I’m looking for.
Muff Muff
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I have a 2017 TRD-OR standard, it has a physical key. Not sure about the newer model years, though.
I don't think Toyota's website is accurate. If you can physically look at a TRD Off-Road (non-Premium), then I think you'll find them keyed without push button start. Funny thing is the one non-Premium online near me is just as pricey as the Premium models, but might be do to KDSS or other dealer 'options'.
I genuinely do not understand the push-button start issue. A key trips the starter or a button trips the starter. What are you worried about? I don't think I've ever heard of one person ever having an issue with a push button start. Once you have it you'll never go back. Leaving your keys in your pocket to unlock/start is a great feature. If FCA can figure it out on Jeeps, so can Toyota.
I will raise my hand and say I've had problems with pushbutton starts, (Jeep, BMW, Harley Davidson, and Honda), in the past but am mainly just annoyed at the principle of the thing. Just like an electronic shift transfer case or automatic headlights I get frustrated at an unnecessary complexity for something I've never complained about. Having driven 4x4 vehicles for the past 25 years I have yet to gripe because I had to pull a lever to get in to 4wd. I have, however, had many experiences being frustrated by an electronic transfer case not engaging, especially 4lo, unless the stars were perfectly aligned and I took it out to dinner first. And I have had three failures from electronic transfer cases, (1 jeep 2 fords), which left me stranded.
On top of the added complexity these new technologies tend to add to the price of the vehicle, a hundred here, a hundred there, it adds up. Even though I prefer to be even more analog I bought my 19 specifically because it was the last year before push button starts and the other added electronics.
I feel like myself and OP would be happiest with a 70 series landcruiser while others would be happier with a Lexus 570. I'm just glad we still have some choice to both be happy.
KingPrat
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So I just looked up on Autotrader and found 2 standard TRD OR. One had smart-key, one had a normal key. Both listed as '21s.
This could be a regional issue - kind of like when you couldn't get KDSS is the Northeast for a couple years - where they put it in vehicles going to a certain area in the country.
This is the link to the non-smart key one, in Wisconsin. AutoTrader
The other one with Smart Key was in NC
I think he covered that in an earlier post. Something about his job and being around water all the time. If you short out a smart key, could leave you hanging. At least with the physical key he still has a chance.
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If so then this is epic. Thanks for the link.
Correct. There is a thread either on this forum or the other one where one guy couldn’t get into his vehicle because his fob was busted. Other vehicles have had other stories. I’ll grant you they are rare, but a standard key isn’t going to be affected by water.
baldrik78
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Get a lightly used pre-2020 model. Pretty sure it was 2020 that started putting Push-Button Start in the OR. My 2017 ORP has a key.
Alternatively, get the SR5 and start searching for a totaled OR in a junk yard and take the diff from it. Be sure to grab the wiring harness with it, to make your life easier.
Jetboy
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FWIW - you can still start the pushbutton start with a dead or shorted key fob. Toyota already thought of this. The key fob has a passive RF signal that does not require a battery or any of the functioning electronics in the key's PCB. Just hold it very close to the start button and it'll start. You can verify it - take the battery out. You can still use the internal key in the fob to open the door, then use it to start the car. Basically the only way it won't start is if you lose the key entirely or severely damage it.
And that would be the same as a regular key. The regular key also requires the same local RF smart key signal to start.
On the pre-2014 models - every trim could be optioned for keyless or key except limited that had the keyless start standard.
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honda250xtitan
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hahaha hang on you bought a 6BLOW on purpose and it wasn't back when it first came out? shame on you man. SUPPOSEDLY once bulletproof'ed they're solid but at what cost? Good luck:rockon:
thennen
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Same with my 2019 TRDOR - physical key only.
Jetboy
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Here's the funny thing - after I bought it, the fleet selling them tried to sell me a second one that was a 2008 6.4. My diesel buddies tell me the 6.4 was even worse. And they wanted to give me a 2010 Ford Explorer that they had for free. No one even bid on it. No thanks. The one ford is probably too much headache for me. But imagine a 2010 4 runner not getting a single bid.
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honda250xtitan
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hahaha wtfff
sn_85
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My guess is that one is a premium with push-start and the other is a non-premium with the normal key. My 2013 LTD had push start and the key fob and when I switched to a 2016 I kind of missed push start. The key is slimmer, I could leave it in my pocket or cubby, and I ended up hating having things dangling down and jiggling especially when off-roading. Plus it would sometimes hit my leg which kind of annoyed me. Sometimes its the little things that end up bother you the most but that was a personal issue.
KingPrat
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TEujunga
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Wait... so that means this whole discussion about configurability and the extravagant elaborate expensive modification scenario that the OP proposed was based on a totally mistaken assumption about an OEM component -- i.e., that the pushbutton start wouldn't work if the fob got wet.
Classic.
sn_85
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Hmm that's interesting. I wonder if there's some tech package that includes push start instead of the physical key.
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