Help Me Decide Which 4r To Buy!

ayoung101

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ok. i have a dilemma. as you may have seen from some of my other posts, i am looking for my 1st 4runner. i have decided to not get a tacoma/pickup because i've test driven both, and i just think the 4runner fits me better. unfortunately at this time, i will only be able to afford a 1st or 2nd gen (i still have 2 years in college left). i just finished paying off my celica, and i love it, so i want to keep it and make the 4runner my secondary vehicle. so i've been looking for the past few months for a good 4runner that is relatively cheap. i've also been participating in a few different 4runner forums to learn as much about them as possible. i'm going to be using this for my winter beater and my summer toy (offroading, dunes, etc.). i live in michigan and we get lots of snow. matter a fact, it snowed yesterday. so, 4wd is without a doubt the only thing i will consider. from all i've read, i've heard different aspects of 1st and 2nd gens to be better.

1. i've heard 1st gens are better at offroading because of the solid front axle. i plan on offroading. however, i like the idea of being about to move people (which is easier with 4-doors)(although i LOVE the 2-door 2nd gens). but i also LOVE the fact that the 1st gen is convertible and that would be friggin sweet cruising the dunes with.
2. my celica has babied me with options. i don't know if i will survive without having them. i might actually stop breathing having to reach over and unlock doors or roll down/up windows or not using cruise. every 2nd gen i've seen/looked at/saw an ad about has had full power options. most 1st gens do not.
3. manual vs. auto: i still haven't decided what i want, but i've noticed that most of the 1st gens i look at are stick and most of the 2nd gens i've looked at are autos. (also, i don't think i've seen too many 5-speed 1st gen with full power options). i still have heard pretty close to 1/2 and 1/2 on which is better for offroading.
4. i'd prefer a v-6, but from what i've been reading, the 3.0 is massively underpowered and gets horrible gas mileage. and if they are that massively underpowered, why not get a 4-banger for not much less power and much better gas mileage? (however, my bro has a 96 tacoma 4-banger, and he says he'll never own another 4-banger truck again) also, i haven't seen too many 2nd gens that are 4-bangers. not to mention several of the mechanics at the local toyota (everyone at the local toyota knows me by first name) have all told me to be careful with the v-6, and that i could beat the hell out of the 4-banger and it wouldn't die.
5. i only have about $3000 to spend, which i should probably only be spending about $2000 on. this SEVERELY limits my choices on both 1st AND 2nd gens, but obviously moreso 2nd gens than 1sts.
6. i am EXTREMELY picky on my vehicles. i LITERALLY looked for more than a year and 1/2 for my 94 celica before deciding it was the right one and deciding to sell my 88 camry with 230,000 on it running STRONG (not to mention it was a stick shift. ALSO an EXTREME rarity)(i miss that car)

so, with all of that said, what do you guys think i should look for? 1st or 2nd gen? 4-banger or v-6? manual or auto? if you guys were me, what would you be looking for?
 
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also, please feel free to correct me if any of my assumptions were/are incorrect, or add on anything else i should be considering as that would probably help me out more than anything!

also, one more question: does anyone know how hard (or expensive if i were to have someone else do it) it would be to convert a no power options vehicle to power options (power windows, power locks, and cruise are all i REALLY need)?
 
1st gen, 86'to 89' (84' & 85' had solid front axle, not needed on sand or mud and won't ride as good as the later IFS), 4cyl manual (indestructable and many, many aftermarket things).

I had this truck with full powers and LOVED it! Convertable is cool and the 2nd gen didn't offer enough differences to be worth it over the 1st gen convertables.
 
1 vote for 1st gen 4cyl manual! thanks! anyone else care to interject?

another question (i'm full of them today)

i see (according to www.kbb.com) that for 1st gens (not ALL 1st gens, but scattered throughout the years) there are 3 different basic packages. sport utility, deluxe sport utility, and sr5 sport utility. anyone care to shed some light on the differences/similarities there?
 
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Here are some links to the history of 4Runners. They may help.

http://www.toyota-4runner.org/showthread.php?threadid=1091

http://www.top4runners.com/ja/runhist.html

And just recently someone here bought a 2nd generation model and asked what the problems were with 2nd generations.

http://www.toyota-4runner.org/showthread.php?threadid=3062

Yes, the V6 is low on power and had a head gasket re-call, still it has more power than the 4. I think sticking with a stick with the 4 or 6 will help in the power department. As far as using auto or stick off road see these links:

http://www.toyota-4runner.org/showthread.php?threadid=3030&highlight=auto

http://www.toyota-4runner.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=935&highlight=Manual

It seems to me for the price, I would look at everything in your price range and get the that is in the best shape. Which seems to me it will be a 4 cyl. stick, just like you said.
 
I vote for a 2nd gen with a stick and the v6. I used to have a '90 v6 auto and would much rather have had the manual.
 
well, i got one yesterday. found an 89 4cyl 5speed for $2700. came with brand new BFG's. he also threw in an entire set of microfilms (including a microfilm machine) that was for the 4runner. he also GAVE me a dual 12" sub box (including subs) and a gigantic amp cuz he was sick of tripping over them in the garage and he said he was getting too old to use them. ALSO, he gave me 2 FULL sets of golf clubs (old, but still!). this truck is in GREAT shape, NO rust around the wheel wells AT ALL. everything works electrically. 108,000 miles on it. the guy works as the parts guy for the local toyota dealership, and HE bought it from the head MECHANIC at the same dealership (who had it since it was new). so i know it was well taken care of. the only thing it needs is an exhaust and i have to fix the e-brake cable. (any suggestions for exhaust/headers? possibly remove the *cough*cat-convertor*cough*. excuse me, i must've caught a virus or something) and, of course, there's a countless number of mods that i will be forced to do with time. what do you think? (this is the picture that came with the online ad. it's the best one i have at this time, but there WILL be more.)

oh, one wierd thing that happened. one thing i made sure to ask was if the rear window worked. he proved to me that it did (put it down and up before the test drive, and opened the tailgate). later on, when i went to put all the other stuff that he was giving to me for free, suddenly the window wouldn't budge. he said that it's never happened before. is it possible that it died right then and there? i guess i should say, is it LIKELY? what do you think/what should i do to fix it?
 

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Nice 4Runner I love it looks to be in good condition:love:

Does seem strange to just give out like that, Maybe a fuse is out If he was a toyota guy what did he say?. Or do.?
 
Congrats on the new truck!

Did you try opening the window with the key or from inside the truck or both?
 
Nice looking truck! Although it looks like it was so excited to have a new home that it took a leak right there in the driveway :D
 
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Congrats on the new truck!

Did you try opening the window with the key or from inside the truck or both?

he told me from the start the only thing wrong with it was the key/lock window opener from the tailgate. that doesn't work.

he said he'd play with it and try and figure it out for me before i pick it up.
 
There are bound to be a few things wrong with a 1989. My 1988 Acura has a non working defroster & rear window wiper, trunk does not stay open due to weak openers, the seats have holes in them. The mechanics are still good & that is what you should look at.

It looks like a great rig, enjoy.:driving:
 
yeah, i figured the window thing out. the rear wiper has to be fully retracted in order for the window to move. it wasn't. problem solved. now EVERYTHING works beautifully. (sad to say, it almost runs better than my celica! haha)

i'll get some pictures up soon.
 
It sounds like you got a nice 4Runner. I think for the price you paid you could of gotten a high mileage. trashed out 2nd generation or a lower mileage well maintianed 1st generation. It sounds like you have a nice 4Runner.

Look forward toward seeing some more pictures.
 
well, i promise when i get a chance i will take some. i'm real busy for the next week (i leave for panama city for spring break tomorrow!). and i haven't seen it in daylight until today, actually!
 

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