Hope for the best prepare for the worst.How are you prepping for the covid-19 virus.

[RedSled]

One of the largest pork processing facilities in the US is closing until further notice - CNN

 

[Jetboy]

Dr Fauci, who is now claiming the administration should have acted earlier than it did to curtail travel with China, when he's on record at that time as stating the Wuhan virus is no big deal.

Those are not mutually exclusive.

 

[Rapid_Amble]

I'm kinda amazed people don't understand this. The medical system has limited capacity. If the normal spread will overwhelm the capacity (see NY) then the spread by the * 'murica and freedom* people will create a constraint on services available. That puts the people who do act in a socially conscious way at greater risk.

If you're willing to agree to not go to a hospital or seek medical care and die at home if that's the outcome, then you're actually living with the risk you're taking. If not - you're not only effecting yourself. It's not a particularly complicated idea here. If you want to be part of a society and take advantage of the benefits, you also get to live with the costs at times. If not - that's okay by me. But suffer at home without medical care when you get sick. Live up to what you claim you're doing.

The models forecasting ICU beds and deaths have been revised significantly downward, several times, and they're still too high.

 

[spartacus]

Some lite reading for day drinking.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...dff214-729b-11ea-ad9b-254ec99993bc_story.html

" in the United States, the 9/11 attacks led to emergency measures that persist to this day. The detention center in Guantánamo Bay is still open. Targeted drone killings continue. Under the Patriot Act, mass surveillance is still possible.

“September 11th is the appropriate analogy,” said Kenneth Roth, executive director of Human Rights Watch. “We had a fearful public that was willing to countenance a government that was taking steps that undermined civil rights and were difficult to reverse over a long time.

“I fear that we’re entering a parallel period.”

There is a fine balance. Folks would have to walk and chew gum at the same time. Don't give up their guaranteed rights and still follow instructiins of the cdc and gov experts to mitigate the virus.
edit; instructiins = instructions

 

[ElectroBoy]

I guess I'm puzzled why you thing someone else potentially getting sick effects you. If you're properly quarantined why does it matter what someone else does?

Go back and read post #557.
https://www.toyota-4runner.org/3467324-post557.html

We’re all in this same big pool.

 

[Jetboy]

The models forecasting ICU beds and deaths have been revised significantly downward, several times, and they're still too high.

So would you agree not to take one of those beds? Have a fever and trouble breathing - take some Advil and sleep it off at home? And your wife, your kids, your parents? They're going to skip the hospital too?

 

[cb1111]

I guess I'm puzzled why you thing someone else potentially getting sick effects you. If you're properly quarantined why does it matter what someone else does?

Because it ain't all about me. If a dozen people get sick, then they'll infect many others and that will overwhelm the medical system.

And those idiots who don't social distance do affect you (even if you are self-quaratining) because that increases the time before the curve gets flattened.

Y'all read the article about the guy with the "sniffles" in Chicago that went to the funeral - a dozen got sick and three died.

The way this thread is going is a prime example of why government needs to set restrictions - because too many are too stupid.

 

[Inv4drZm]

Go back and read post #557.
https://www.toyota-4runner.org/3467324-post557.html

We’re all in this same big pool.

Its a funny analogy but its inaccurate.

If you are properly quarantined, as in not even in the pool, why does it matter to you if someone potentially urinates in it?

 

[ElectroBoy]

Its a funny analogy but its inaccurate.

If you are properly quarantined, as in not even in the pool, why does it matter to you if someone potentially urinates in it?

You’re correct. As long as you never go in the pool. Or have contact with any friend, associate, family member, neighbor, or random person you meet, who is a swimmer. For the rest of your life.
Or until the pool gets cleaned (vaccine).

 

[thennen]

There is a fine balance. Folks would have to walk and chew gum at the same time. Don't give up their guaranteed rights and still follow instructiins of the cdc and gov experts to mitigate the virus.

In this very concise nutshell, you've nailed it, I think. While I want to do everything I can to mitigate and eventually terminate the effects of this Chinese virus, I clearly can see the huge dangers of what's happening with voluntary 'suspensions' of our freedoms. Never before in our history would we have been able to pull off so sweeping a global 'shutdown' as we've done now, largely due to our current technology. It is indeed a fine balance, and it's very easy for me to become suspicious of certain people. We really need wisdom right now.

 

[Rapid_Amble]

So would you agree not to take one of those beds? Have a fever and trouble breathing - take some Advil and sleep it off at home? And your wife, your kids, your parents? They're going to skip the hospital too?

For all I know, I've already had it. I was out and about in this country and others pretty late, in large part thanks to all the politicians and talking heads such as Dr Fauci telling us it was no big deal.

We can't believe the death tallies - even if someone dies from a car accident when they have covid-19, they're counted as being dead from the virus.

And we can't believe the models and forecasts - they have wildly over-estimated everything. There is no shortage of ICU beds. That hospital ship in NY sat empty.

The people most at risk from all the data I've seen are all older and with other pre-existing health conditions. Isolate and protect them, save the ICUs, etc for them.

 

[Inv4drZm]

And those idiots who don't social distance do affect you (even if you are self-quaratining) because that increases the time before the curve gets flattened.

The way this thread is going is a prime example of why government needs to set restrictions - because too many are too stupid.

I guess if all it takes is for me to stay inside for an extra 3 months to keep my rights, its not too bad of a trade.

 

[Rapid_Amble]

Because it ain't all about me. If a dozen people get sick, then they'll infect many others and that will overwhelm the medical system.

And those idiots who don't social distance do affect you (even if you are self-quaratining) because that increases the time before the curve gets flattened.

Y'all read the article about the guy with the "sniffles" in Chicago that went to the funeral - a dozen got sick and three died.

The way this thread is going is a prime example of why government needs to set restrictions - because too many are too stupid.

The forecasts, assumptions, and methods to count deaths are all stupid. Probably done by idiots.

What do you call those making policy built on a pile of stupid?

 

[cb1111]

One of the largest pork processing facilities in the US is closing until further notice - CNN

Y'all do know that the Chinese WH Group bought Smithfield in 2013. I wonder how much interaction Smithfield has had with their Chinese owners since November.

 

[Gamma Ray]

Its a funny analogy but its inaccurate.

If you are properly quarantined, as in not even in the pool, why does it matter to you if someone potentially urinates in it?

The whole country is the pool.

You can't not be in the pool.

We're all in the pool, and someone's peeing in it over in Iowa.

That person in Iowa is gross.

That is the analogy.

 

[Bumbo]

This is why Elon wants to go to Mars

 

[Jernik]

Because it ain't all about me. If a dozen people get sick, then they'll infect many others and that will overwhelm the medical system.

And those idiots who don't social distance do affect you (even if you are self-quaratining) because that increases the time before the curve gets flattened.

Y'all read the article about the guy with the "sniffles" in Chicago that went to the funeral - a dozen got sick and three died.

The way this thread is going is a prime example of why government needs to set restrictions - because too many are too stupid.

But is it not a slippery slope? I could list out several areas where governments fail to legislate/protect people from themselves, so what makes this situation any different from our day to day perils in which people making stupid decisions kill a few hundred thousand people every year?Or should we all be permanently locked in cages for our own good?

Sorry for the snark, don't take it personally - I'm just venting and fed up with this whole situation, as I'm sure millions of others are.

 

[Rapid_Amble]

But is it not a slippery slope? I could list out several areas where governments fail to legislate/protect people from themselves, so what makes this situation any different from our day to day perils in which people making stupid decisions kill a few hundred thousand people every year?Or should we all be permanently locked in cages for our own good?

Sorry for the snark, don't take it personally - I'm just venting and fed up with this whole situation, as I'm sure millions of others are.

Instead of basing policy on science and hard data, for example promoting herd immunity, fast pathing promising anti malaria drugs, and isolating those at high risk, we get bullying (name calling and hostility), and arbitrary authoritarian decisions on what businesses and products are deemed essential or not, criminals freed from jails, and law abiding citizens thrown into jail and fined for taking their 6 year old kid to an empty park.

Clown world. But at least the tyrants are outing themselves.

 

[ElectroBoy]

It’s been almost four weeks of stay at home. I’ll feel better if
1. Medical providers get all the gear they need.
2. The tests for active infection and antibodies are widely available.
3. Our leaders agree on a plan to put people back to work.
4. I can buy more TP.

 

[thennen]

It’s been almost four weeks of stay at home. I’ll feel better if
1. Medical providers get all the gear they need.
2. The tests for active infection and antibodies are widely available.
3. Our leaders agree on a plan to put people back to work.
4. I can buy more TP.

The first three are fine.
Number 4 - now you're getting ridiculous...