Horrible Gas Mileage

The initial built in estimates must be completely out of whack because when my 2010 TE was brand new, the range on a full tank was 620km. That dropped significantly after the is first few thousand KM. Now that I have a 2012 TE with 10,000kms (it was a demo), the range is about 480KM on a full tank. I have not been driving hard at all and the average seem a bit low. But, it is what it is.

Rob
 
Well thank you guys for the replies. I checked my tires this morning and they were at 27psi so I put them to 36 like I read on this thread and I will try the 94 octane gas and see if it will get better mpg.

I live in Montreal, roads in the city suck, but I will monitor this for a couple of weeks and see how it does. if not I will go to the dealer and get an appointment to see if its mechanical or the gas computer just freaks out or something.

I was just wondering, same truck with 4 gallons per mile seems quite a difference, but like you all said location driving style and all that seems to affect the MPG.

Once again thank you. And if you can direct me to a thread where you can get more HP on this beast with TRD parts or anything to get more power out of it. Will appreciate it.

At 27psi that's almost the point where the TPMS should kick in. I should get mine checked anyhow.

Rob
 
Miles per gallon

My overall average is 22. On occassion I have gotten 24 on the highway and in town only I have gotten as low as 18.6. Tire pressure and type of tires will definitely make a difference. I have Michelin LTX MS2's. I run 35 psi. However, now that they have gone back to the winter formula gas my T4R and my Lexus have dropped by at least one mile per gallon. Thanks to the EPA!!!
 
My overall average is 22. On occassion I have gotten 24 on the highway and in town only I have gotten as low as 18.6. Tire pressure and type of tires will definitely make a difference. I have Michelin LTX MS2's. I run 35 psi. However, now that they have gone back to the winter formula gas my T4R and my Lexus have dropped by at least one mile per gallon. Thanks to the EPA!!!

You can thank the EPA for more expensive summer gas as they can't use as much butane in the mix and meet the RVP targets, but winter gas using butane in a higher mix ratio is thanks to the gas companies (cheaper for them to make and you get less efficiency out of it; win win for them). I.e. without the regulation for summer gas, the gas companies would give you winter gas year round.
 
2010 TE, bought new Aug 2010. Fuel mostly Costco regular , in the DumbOCraptic state of Kalifornia ( Southern) mostly driven to take boys school so city driven. Tires are stock size no lift Wild Peaks. 14 mpg, calculated by hand and dash.

My SC'ed Tundra Crew Max has over 500 HP, 550 pounds of torque, goes zero to 60 in mid 4 second range gets 1 or 2 miles less. Kinda disappointed in the mileage given the weak motor in the Runner.
 
Fuel economy

I need to speak about my fuel economy here in Canada. I have seen a wide variety of comments from the worst mileage to the best. I have only had the vehicle since March 2012 and it is a 2011 TE bought it new, it now has 14000 Kms ( 8,699 Miles and I have to say that we recently drove 8 hours through the mountains on the highway at an average speed of 60 MPH to a client north of Vancouver with about 750 lbs of cargo and me 220 Lbs and my wife106 lbs. We averaged 12 Litres per 100km which works out to: 19.6MPG :D

http://calculator-converter.com/l_100km_mpg_convert_mpg_to_l_per_100_km.php

I lost less than 1.3 MPG when I changed from the stock Bridgestone HT to the AT Toyo Open Country. When I drive on a flat long road trip I average 22.8-23.6 MPG from Vancouver to hope & back 5 hours round trip all highway. This being said all in all I think fuel economy is good for the power to weight ratio and the truck is amazing on and off road and excellent for my towing needs.
I love my Toyota 4Runner Trail Edition Salsa Red :D
 
So, should I take it to the dealer to see if there is something wrong ?

The truck seems to struggle when driving a hill, I step on the gas and the engine seems lazy.

I really like the truck and I knew it was not cheap on gas but compared to my brother in law his sr5 seems to be working far better.
 
So, should I take it to the dealer to see if there is something wrong ?

The truck seems to struggle when driving a hill, I step on the gas and the engine seems lazy.

I really like the truck and I knew it was not cheap on gas but compared to my brother in law his sr5 seems to be working far better.

Answer these questions please:
How many miles do you have on it?
Where do you live?
Where does your relative live?
What mix of driving do you do (%highway to city)
What is your relative's mix?
What do you haul (like lots of kids, etc)
What does your relative haul?
Do you have any aftermarket mods (like a roof rack, etc)
How far do you drive normally?
Do you let it warm up?
Is there a lot of stoplights?

You get the picture. Give me your complete driving profile and I can tell you more about what to do.
 
Does anybody use "ECO?" It sure has changed my driving habits from my 06 Sport! My gas mileage is going up since new, last calculation was 19.75. Mostly mixed city / highway, with Duratracs. Not too bad IMO.
 
2013 sr5 doing about 18.5 mpg. I would say that's pretty good because I live in hawaii and majority driving done is city.
 
Hello here is a description of my TE 2011

Mickey Thompson tires Baja ATZ 265-70r17, I don't know the brand of the mags, haven't looked at it to be honest.

KDSS, I have a roof rack Safari that I modified.

The truck has a Grill guard and it has 2 PIAA 6 inch in the front.

It has a hood protector and same thing on the doors.


How many miles do you have on it? 6235 miles.
Where do you live? Montreal, Quebec, Canada.
Where does your relative live? Laval, Quebec, Canada, about 30 minutes from my house.
What mix of driving do you do (%highway to city) 60% city 40%Highway.
What is your relative's mix? Hmm about 60% highway 40city.
What do you haul (like lots of kids, etc) 2 kids and wife.
What does your relative haul? Same 2 kids and wife.
Do you have any aftermarket mods (like a roof rack, etc) Roof rack,big grill guard.
How far do you drive normally? 4 days of work about 10 miles to and back home, the other 3 days about 30 miles a day, shopping and picking up the wife and kids from kindergarten.
Do you let it warm up? Not really, maybe now yes since winter is coming.
Is there a lot of stoplights? Only the 2 PIAA in the front.



But like I said the SR5 does 17.3 mpg in the city and my TE does 16.2 on the highway. That sucks. And when I am on a hill when I step on the gas the truck seems to struggle.
 
Hello here is a description of my TE 2011

Mickey Thompson tires Baja ATZ 265-70r17, I don't know the brand of the mags, haven't looked at it to be honest.

KDSS, I have a roof rack Safari that I modified.

The truck has a Grill guard and it has 2 PIAA 6 inch in the front.

It has a hood protector and same thing on the doors.


How many miles do you have on it? 6235 miles.
Where do you live? Montreal, Quebec, Canada.
Where does your relative live? Laval, Quebec, Canada, about 30 minutes from my house.
What mix of driving do you do (%highway to city) 60% city 40%Highway.
What is your relative's mix? Hmm about 60% highway 40city.
What do you haul (like lots of kids, etc) 2 kids and wife.
What does your relative haul? Same 2 kids and wife.
Do you have any aftermarket mods (like a roof rack, etc) Roof rack,big grill guard.
How far do you drive normally? 4 days of work about 10 miles to and back home, the other 3 days about 30 miles a day, shopping and picking up the wife and kids from kindergarten.
Do you let it warm up? Not really, maybe now yes since winter is coming.
Is there a lot of stoplights? Only the 2 PIAA in the front.



But like I said the SR5 does 17.3 mpg in the city and my TE does 16.2 on the highway. That sucks. And when I am on a hill when I step on the gas the truck seems to struggle.

OK, I cannot tell you why your brother in law get better milage than you (without more info on his 4Runner) but I can tell you why you are only getting 16 mpg.

Let's get started:

Tires - You have gone from a stock tire that weighs about 37 lbs to a tire that weighs 51 lbs. That's an increase of 14 lbs each. Yes, you are getting a superior tire that is much tougher with 6 ply but you are paying for that every time you drive. By adding a total of 56 lbs of unsprung weight (weight added below suspension like brakes, tires, wheels, etc) you are taking away almost 1 mpg. How? Every time you step on the gas you have to accelerate the mass of the tires and wheels. Once on the highway it does not affect the efficiency much. The big hit is getting them moving. You gave me a ratio of 60-40 city to highway miles. That means you have driven them 3,741 miles in the city with the start and stop driving that goes with it. Even if you started and stopped only every two miles that is 1,870 starts and stops. This means you have had to accelerate an ADDITIONAL 104,748 lbs just driving in the city by switching to LT tires. Yeah, about an extra 1 mpg efficiency loss there. This does not include the new wheels either.

Driving style:
I know it gets cold in Canada. You drive about 10 miles one way most of the time you drive. You said you normally don't warm up the vehicle, you just get in and go.
Your 4Runner goes through a warm up cycle every time you start it. After temps get to operating parameters the ECU changes engine operating parameters. One of the parameters is fuel mixture. Think of it like a old school choke that runs rich until the engine warms up then you can lean it out as it gets warm. The 4Runner does the same thing in a high tech way. By taking a lot of short trips without any warm up you probably don't get out of warm up mode until you get halfway to work. Same thing happens in the evening. You will use more fuel during this warm up period. With your driving didtance and habits I would say this could cost you around .25 mpg efficiency loss.

Mods:
Other than tires it looks like you have only added a "big" grille guard and a roof rack. You have two things going on there: Added weight and aerodynamic loss and yes, our trucks have aerodynamic design features. The added weight "up top" is not as detrimental as adding unsprung weight but it still costs to carry it around. Let's say your additional components weigh 200 lbs total. That's another .5 mpg or so right there.

I have kids (older now) so I know how much stuff has to go along with having them. Suffice to say a lot lol. I know a 4Runner is a big heavy SUV that has a full frame and all but it is tuned and geared from the factory to get good gas milage. Any changes like you made will result in an efficiency loss. For example, if you had a Chevy Tahoe you might only get 16 mpg from the start. You could add this weight though and still get 16 mpg because of the difference in gearing and tuning. If you re-geared the 4Runner it might drop you down to 18 mpg overall but you could add the weight and not lose any efficiency.

In order to get the mpg as advertised you pretty much have to do it with a bone stock 4Runner. Any changes will result in a loss of efficiency. I said in a previous post that the unmodded guys here all got advertised mpg and we do. I just counted up around 2 mpg loss above and we did not even talk about some of the other losses you might have. So, if you want to leave all the stuff you have on there AND get good gas milage you have to learn to drive it very delicately. Very slow starts, let it warm up for a few minutes even in the summer and so on. Otherwise you will continue to get sub par gas milage. Now if you tell me your brother in law has the exact same mods and gets 1 mpg better then the only thing I can think of is his driving habits and style is much different. Hope this helps.
 
Alright thank you very much.

I will monitor my driving the weeks to come and see how it does, I will get back to you if there's an improvement or not.

And I will post some picks of this beast soon.
 
OK, I cannot tell you why your brother in law get better milage than you (without more info on his 4Runner) but I can tell you why you are only getting 16 mpg.

Let's get started:

Tires - You have gone from a stock tire that weighs about 37 lbs to a tire that weighs 51 lbs. That's an increase of 14 lbs each. Yes, you are getting a superior tire that is much tougher with 6 ply but you are paying for that every time you drive. By adding a total of 56 lbs of unsprung weight (weight added below suspension like brakes, tires, wheels, etc) you are taking away almost 1 mpg. How? Every time you step on the gas you have to accelerate the mass of the tires and wheels. Once on the highway it does not affect the efficiency much. The big hit is getting them moving. You gave me a ratio of 60-40 city to highway miles. That means you have driven them 3,741 miles in the city with the start and stop driving that goes with it. Even if you started and stopped only every two miles that is 1,870 starts and stops. This means you have had to accelerate an ADDITIONAL 104,748 lbs just driving in the city by switching to LT tires. Yeah, about an extra 1 mpg efficiency loss there. This does not include the new wheels either.

Driving style:
I know it gets cold in Canada. You drive about 10 miles one way most of the time you drive. You said you normally don't warm up the vehicle, you just get in and go.
Your 4Runner goes through a warm up cycle every time you start it. After temps get to operating parameters the ECU changes engine operating parameters. One of the parameters is fuel mixture. Think of it like a old school choke that runs rich until the engine warms up then you can lean it out as it gets warm. The 4Runner does the same thing in a high tech way. By taking a lot of short trips without any warm up you probably don't get out of warm up mode until you get halfway to work. Same thing happens in the evening. You will use more fuel during this warm up period. With your driving didtance and habits I would say this could cost you around .25 mpg efficiency loss.

Mods:
Other than tires it looks like you have only added a "big" grille guard and a roof rack. You have two things going on there: Added weight and aerodynamic loss and yes, our trucks have aerodynamic design features. The added weight "up top" is not as detrimental as adding unsprung weight but it still costs to carry it around. Let's say your additional components weigh 200 lbs total. That's another .5 mpg or so right there.

I have kids (older now) so I know how much stuff has to go along with having them. Suffice to say a lot lol. I know a 4Runner is a big heavy SUV that has a full frame and all but it is tuned and geared from the factory to get good gas milage. Any changes like you made will result in an efficiency loss. For example, if you had a Chevy Tahoe you might only get 16 mpg from the start. You could add this weight though and still get 16 mpg because of the difference in gearing and tuning. If you re-geared the 4Runner it might drop you down to 18 mpg overall but you could add the weight and not lose any efficiency.

In order to get the mpg as advertised you pretty much have to do it with a bone stock 4Runner. Any changes will result in a loss of efficiency. I said in a previous post that the unmodded guys here all got advertised mpg and we do. I just counted up around 2 mpg loss above and we did not even talk about some of the other losses you might have. So, if you want to leave all the stuff you have on there AND get good gas milage you have to learn to drive it very delicately. Very slow starts, let it warm up for a few minutes even in the summer and so on. Otherwise you will continue to get sub par gas milage. Now if you tell me your brother in law has the exact same mods and gets 1 mpg better then the only thing I can think of is his driving habits and style is much different. Hope this helps.


LOL. It's what he does. (1 Eng, that is.)

Love that guy!
 
So I have to chime in here on the 4Runner having horrible highway mileage. I actually find the posted figures bordering on fraudulent.

I have had a new 2012 since August. Around town I am a very gentle driver (don't even need that ECO light, it's almost always green when I drive). As such I've done better than the posted 12.6 L/100km. On the gauge and by gas tank estimate I've been closer to 12 but that has gone up since the snow hit. Plowing though the streets has pushed it up close to the rated 12.6.

Anyhow long story short I just took it for the first real freeway trip. My mileage got WORSE! By the gauge and tank refills I was over 12.5, close to 13! Now I understand the posted numbers depend a lot on driving style etc but this is ridiculous! The official highway mile is 9.2 L/100km and I'm getting around 40% above that. I've never seen the highway mileage be worse than city. I've got the tires at 36 PSI and this is pretty much steady 4 lane cruising.

I am going to do another test with exact odometer readings and fillups next month. If it's still this bad I am going to write the 'Energuide' people. This is completely deceptive. I plan to use this ride for a lot of highway cruising and this was a number I paid particular attention to. This kind of outright fiction means over $5k NPV in gas over the life of the vehicle.
 
So after that rant :rant: I went over to the Energuide site and reviewed the testing.

I think one factor is the brick like aerodynamics of the 4runner. While I think that should be accounted for better in the modeling estimates that a lot of the test is predicated on, and also in a more realistic top speed in the highway test course (it tops out at 97 km/h and averages 77 km/h; I don't know who drives the freeway at these speeds), I still don't think it should be off by that much. In the interests of full disclosure my cruise speed is just under 120 km/h, lets call it 74 mph for the US crowd. Other than winter tires my ride is stock.

I may just need to come to terms with the brick. However come spring I intend to do a test run at the limit of 110 km/h on stock tires. By that point the engine should be well broken in with over 6000 km. If I can't get at least 10 L/100km I will file a complaint with Toyota and the Competition Bureau; perhaps then with the Canadian Motor Vehicle Arbitration Plan if there is no satisfactory response. What I'd like to know is if other SUV/Trucks have similarly bogus highway numbers.
 
So I have to chime in here on the 4Runner having horrible highway mileage. I actually find the posted figures bordering on fraudulent.

I have had a new 2012 since August. Around town I am a very gentle driver (don't even need that ECO light, it's almost always green when I drive). As such I've done better than the posted 12.6 L/100km. On the gauge and by gas tank estimate I've been closer to 12 but that has gone up since the snow hit. Plowing though the streets has pushed it up close to the rated 12.6.

Anyhow long story short I just took it for the first real freeway trip. My mileage got WORSE! By the gauge and tank refills I was over 12.5, close to 13! Now I understand the posted numbers depend a lot on driving style etc but this is ridiculous! The official highway mile is 9.2 L/100km and I'm getting around 40% above that. I've never seen the highway mileage be worse than city. I've got the tires at 36 PSI and this is pretty much steady 4 lane cruising.

I am going to do another test with exact odometer readings and fillups next month. If it's still this bad I am going to write the 'Energuide' people. This is completely deceptive. I plan to use this ride for a lot of highway cruising and this was a number I paid particular attention to. This kind of outright fiction means over $5k NPV in gas over the life of the vehicle.

My new 2012 TE is brutal on gas. It's totally stock and I'm getting about 12 or 13 MPG (19L/100km). Of course it's cold and I've driven it in 4WD at times. But before it got real cold it was doing 16.5L/100KM.

Rob
 
My new 2012 TE is brutal on gas. It's totally stock and I'm getting about 12 or 13 MPG (19L/100km). Of course it's cold and I've driven it in 4WD at times. But before it got real cold it was doing 16.5L/100KM.

I'm gonna assume you have L/100km and MPG backwards. :) Although 16.5 MPG is still really bad.

Although if those are combined with a lot of idling than perhaps it makes a bit more sense. I was thinking highway only.
 
winter time

Same route to work each day and I see a 2lper 100km difference soon as winter hits on my latest test drive of another 4runner the computer was reading 18.5l per 100kms :wow2: how many kms you guys getting on a tank
 
Same route to work each day and I see a 2lper 100km difference soon as winter hits

Well if that's mostly city and you are driving though some snow, in 4WD, and have snow tires on a 2 L/100km hit would not be surprising to me. It's the awful highway numbers with nothing but somewhat higher rolling resistance winter tires that gets me.

on my latest test drive of another 4runner the computer was reading 18.5l per 100kms :wow2: how many kms you guys getting on a tank

Well if that's a test drive on one with a hundred km on the computer I wouldn't be surprised. As I said in the city I've gone from around 12 L/100km to around 12.7 L/100km now that winter has come; about a 0.5 winter hit so far. Not much data yet of course but I'm pretty happy with the city mileage.
 

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