How many regret lifting their T4R?

My Dad has a policy for his gear that I admire: he doesn't upgrade it until he's mastered the setup or has advanced his skill beyond its capabilities.

For example, he got a good deal on a vintage Browning auto 5 shotgun, a big heavy lump originally designed around WW1. Instead of leaving it in a case, he started to shoot skeet with it. He was laughed at by nearly everyone on the range with expensive Bonellis and 5-figure over/under guns. These guys spend a fortune on shooting, but weren't necessarily that much better at it. Dad practiced a ton and had so much fun with it, and decided that he would upgrade to a nicer gun if he could shoot a perfect game (25/25 clays) with the auto 5. In less than a year, he went from absolutely zero shooting experience to his first perfect game, and shot his baseball cap, as is tradition. He picked out a nice Browning SxS and continues to shoot nearly every weekend and scores 90+/100 in range competitions.

I try to go with the same policy for a lot of my gear. I'm lucky if I get to do one or two backpacking trips a year, that's why I still use my dad's old external frame backpack instead of some new ultralight thru-hiker setup. It's a Wilderness Experience treated canvas pack with an aluminum frame that Dad welded back in the seventies as an employee, so it has sentimental value as well. I get tons of comments on the trail like "wow, rad vintage bag!". It's not some hipster fashion statement, I'm just not done using it yet. I took my twenty-year-old cross country Cannondale bike to Mammoth and all the lifties were geeking out over it. Well, I rode it all day and got the absolute sh*t kicked out of me, but had a blast. I still don't ride it enough (or visit Mammoth enough during the summer) to warrant building an $8K downhill setup. Although maybe I'll rent next time.

That's why it always makes me laugh to see some of the trucks around my neighborhood. Plenty of shops will take your money and install a Stage 9 whatever, and they're lifted so high that I can see that there's not a speck of dirt on anything. Mud terrains that hum on the highway and never get aired down. Even if they get taken out, they'll never have their capabilities anywhere close to maxed out. There's a very small percentage of people on these forums whose skill level and pace really warrant their upgrades, and I'm not one of them.

Having said that, I did upgrade my suspension. I got a full set of brand new Pro takeoffs with less than 1500 miles on them (seriously, the guy bought a Pro in Texas, drove it home, and immediately swapped on a stage 13 Icon setup as soon as he arrived). They were 800 bucks, all OEM (no pucks added), and have made the ride nice and smooth. Dad also keeps out a weather eye for deals, and he'll break his rule for a score. :wink2:

Also, I got my 4Runner CPO with brand new 275 KO2s already installed by the previous owner. I've gotten stuck enough with stock "Rugged Terrains" in my Tacoma to know that tires are really the first upgrade you should make. I travel in the snow enough to warrant them.

So 275 all-terrains and a mild OEM lift are what I have. The truck's plenty capable for my needs and I can still squeak 20 MPG on the highway, where I spend most of my time anyway. Definitely great bang for the buck and I don't regret it at all.
 
My Dad has a policy for his gear that I admire: he doesn't upgrade it until he's mastered the setup or has advanced his skill beyond its capabilities.

For example, he got a good deal on a vintage Browning auto 5 shotgun, a big heavy lump originally designed around WW1. Instead of leaving it in a case, he started to shoot skeet with it. He was laughed at by nearly everyone on the range with expensive Bonellis and 5-figure over/under guns. These guys spend a fortune on shooting, but weren't necessarily that much better at it. Dad practiced a ton and had so much fun with it, and decided that he would upgrade to a nicer gun if he could shoot a perfect game (25/25 clays) with the auto 5. In less than a year, he went from absolutely zero shooting experience to his first perfect game, and shot his baseball cap, as is tradition. He picked out a nice Browning SxS and continues to shoot nearly every weekend and scores 90+/100 in range competitions.

I try to go with the same policy for a lot of my gear. I'm lucky if I get to do one or two backpacking trips a year, that's why I still use my dad's old external frame backpack instead of some new ultralight thru-hiker setup. It's a Wilderness Experience treated canvas pack with an aluminum frame that Dad welded back in the seventies as an employee, so it has sentimental value as well. I get tons of comments on the trail like "wow, rad vintage bag!". It's not some hipster fashion statement, I'm just not done using it yet. I took my twenty-year-old cross country Cannondale bike to Mammoth and all the lifties were geeking out over it. Well, I rode it all day and got the absolute sh*t kicked out of me, but had a blast. I still don't ride it enough (or visit Mammoth enough during the summer) to warrant building an $8K downhill setup. Although maybe I'll rent next time.

That's why it always makes me laugh to see some of the trucks around my neighborhood. Plenty of shops will take your money and install a Stage 9 whatever, and they're lifted so high that I can see that there's not a speck of dirt on anything. Mud terrains that hum on the highway and never get aired down. Even if they get taken out, they'll never have their capabilities anywhere close to maxed out. There's a very small percentage of people on these forums whose skill level and pace really warrant their upgrades, and I'm not one of them.

Having said that, I did upgrade my suspension. I got a full set of brand new Pro takeoffs with less than 1500 miles on them (seriously, the guy bought a Pro in Texas, drove it home, and immediately swapped on a stage 13 Icon setup as soon as he arrived). They were 800 bucks, all OEM (no pucks added), and have made the ride nice and smooth. Dad also keeps out a weather eye for deals, and he'll break his rule for a score. :wink2:

Also, I got my 4Runner CPO with brand new 275 KO2s already installed by the previous owner. I've gotten stuck enough with stock "Rugged Terrains" in my Tacoma to know that tires are really the first upgrade you should make. I travel in the snow enough to warrant them.

So 275 all-terrains and a mild OEM lift are what I have. The truck's plenty capable for my needs and I can still squeak 20 MPG on the highway, where I spend most of my time anyway. Definitely great bang for the buck and I don't regret it at all.
i like everything about your post except the TRD Bro bilking you $800 for his takeoffs. ludicrous for 2 shocks and 1 coil, imo. i do understand Cali is different and thinks TRD Pro breathes unicorn whispers from its tailpipe, however.
 
I learned from my previous Tacoma lift experience and went with better quality components on the 4R. No regrets!
 
i like everything about your post except the TRD Bro bilking you $800 for his takeoffs. ludicrous for 2 shocks and 1 coil, imo. i do understand Cali is different and thinks TRD Pro breathes unicorn whispers from its tailpipe, however.

Trust me, I'm not under the impression that the Pro suspension is anything other than a mild OEM upgrade. But 6112/5160 kits are currently going for over $1K, and that doesn't include rear coils. Not sure what you mean by "1 coil".

I saved about $500, and a lot more than that when you consider that most people are spending nearly $50K on the Pro.
 
No regrets, I generally spend a good deal of time trying to understand my options and take into serious consideration how I am going to use the truck. Making an informed decision for my application has yet to fail me.

I also very much agree with the buy once cry once motto, but that also doesn't mean you have to buy something more expensive just because you can. It's just gotta make sense.

I feel the same!
 
Love the shotgun analogy.

There is a lot of truth to being able to work well with less, practicing good technique with less sophisticated tools definitely helps your skill level increase dramatically. Being able to pick a line over obstacles and keeping as much rubber on the ground without lockers or spinning wheels is another good example of such practice.

I would defend though, those who choose to have all the tools necessary from the start, but only using them when absolutely necessary. As an electrician, I practice techniques that allow me to wire without punching a hole is someone’s wall. If I absolutely can’t, I know that I have tools that allow me to do my job with as little damage as possible. I apply those habits when I’m wheeling.

There is nothing worse than being in a situation where you could have used that extra inch of clearance, been able to lock a rear, or been able to pull out a line to get up and over something where if you weren’t able to, you’d chance spinning (and making the trail worse for the next guy), or worse, puncture a side wall.

The beauty of having the right tool for the job can never be understated. For me personally, the real beauty of off-roading is doing so responsibly and safely without using your “get out of jail free” card. The bonus is having at least one, or four.
 
Like some already mentioned, how you lift is usually the cause of regret. Not the ride height gain.

A lot of reading can save you $$.
[MENTION=211272]Catskill4RNR[/MENTION] ditch the spacer idea and get the TRD pro fronts instead. Keep the rear stock coil spring and you'll have a nice, smooth, level ride.
 
Definitely stock parts

You either need to lower the front end down to where you yield no more than 2 inches of lift OR keep your 3 inches of lift and you will need to buy aftermarket UCAs. Your steering and alignment are feeling like shit because you are still on stock UCA with a 3 inch lift.
 
I just picked up the TRD Pro FJ suspension kit which upgrades my shocks and gives me 1" lift (leveling) in the front. I am on the fence with installing the kit and calling it good or going with 1"Toytec spacers up front and Dobinsons 1" lift springs in the rear which should result close to 2"/1" overall.

I read in another post about things you wish you never did and saw a few that wished they never did a lift. How many that did the mild lift I am considering would say they wish they never did it and how many are happy with the results?

I am running 275/70-17 Grabber ATx. on a 2015 Trail Premium.

Only looking for input on the mild lift, not 2-1/2" to 3"

Thanks, Ken

I have almost the same setup, without the spacers. Install it. It'll drive a little better than stock and give you a little lift. If you still want to change the stance, do the spacers after living with your mini-lift for six months. Spacers are not my jam, but I know they're used extensively...
 
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The only thing I regret is messing around with the Toytec TRD spacer lift kit. I should have gone with the Icon adjustable coil overs (which I bought next) from the start. I never planned on keeping it stock, so no, no regrets lifting.

This.

Had all I done was the lift and tires at the time, there would have been zero complaints. With the C4 bumper and sliders, it was just too much weight and the front sagged hardcore.

Before those went on I enjoyed it. But since then I've gone with a King Extended Travel setup.
 
Had A 2004 TJ. Installed a 2" spacer lift and was VERY happy with it. Then I won a contest and installed a 4-1/2" spring lift with new trac-bars, brake lines, 35" tires, SYE, lockers, yada yada yada..... and everything else needed to make it work.

And WORK IT DID. Thing was figgin AWESOME on black diamond/five star trails.

For the most part it totally sucked everywhere else. Got to the point I didn't want to drive it at all, not even on the trail.

Sold it. Got into Porsches. Missed the mountains etc... Bought a 18 4Runner.

I have RSG sliders and will for sure lift it but I'm looking at something like the Totec FJ13-RSP spacer kit. Trim the inner front bumper and body mount and run 285's and I think I will be VERY happy for many trouble free years.

YMMV
 
Trust me, I'm not under the impression that the Pro suspension is anything other than a mild OEM upgrade. But 6112/5160 kits are currently going for over $1K, and that doesn't include rear coils. Not sure what you mean by "1 coil".

I saved about $500, and a lot more than that when you consider that most people are spending nearly $50K on the Pro.
i was trying to say that the Pro suspension only includes 1 set of (1" lift) coils for the front; rear coils remain stock.

don't misunderstand me, i hear where you're coming from and if you're happy that's all that truly matters. personally, that price for takeoffs just rubs me the wrong way... particularly because Toyota was dumping brand new (Bilstein) Pro suspension kits for ~$500 just a few months ago.
 
i was trying to say that the Pro suspension only includes 1 set of (1" lift) coils for the front; rear coils remain stock.

don't misunderstand me, i hear where you're coming from and if you're happy that's all that truly matters. personally, that price for takeoffs just rubs me the wrong way... particularly because Toyota was dumping brand new (Bilstein) Pro suspension kits for ~$500 just a few months ago.

The rear coils are not the same as SR5/OR/Limited. They are taller and softer (thinner wire and an additional wind). You can see the difference when compared to the stock OR, which I did during install. I missed the Toyota dump, and even if I did I would still have to purchase rear coils and it would end up being about the same cost.
 
Trust me, I'm not under the impression that the Pro suspension is anything other than a mild OEM upgrade. But 6112/5160 kits are currently going for over $1K, and that doesn't include rear coils. Not sure what you mean by "1 coil".

I saved about $500, and a lot more than that when you consider that most people are spending nearly $50K on the Pro.

The kit I bought is for the 2014 FJ Cruiser which is 6112/5160 for $700 and includes 14" front coils as opposed to the 13" that come in the 4runner pro package so that is the 1" I'm gaining right off the bat. I'm thinking of the additional 1" spacer up front rather than throwing out the 14" spring I already have in favor of a 2" spring to replace it. Maybe I should research the cost of the spring vs. the spacer which in the big picture might be nominal....hmmm.
 
The rear coils are not the same as SR5/OR/Limited. They are taller and softer (thinner wire and an additional wind). You can see the difference when compared to the stock OR, which I did during install. I missed the Toyota dump, and even if I did I would still have to purchase rear coils and it would end up being about the same cost.
hmmm, something ain't right here. according to Toyota, 4Runner TRD Pro springs remain stock in rear.

i'm really not trying to give you a hard time!
 

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