How much font lift does a Pro really offer over an Off-Road?

[nimby]

There seems to be a lot of conflicting info on this.

Some say 0"

Some say 0.5"

Some say 1"

I remember finding some ground clearance numbers between the two and there was no difference reported, but I can't seem to find that source anymore. If you look at the Toyota website, they report that the Pro has an overall height difference of 0.5", but don't report ground clearance numbers.

I also remember hearing the only difference between the Pro and Offroad front shock height was that the pro suspension took into account the drivers side lean and as a result, the spring perch was slightly higher on the drivers side.

Anyone know for sure?

 

[20164runner]

The pro setup is approximately 1” higher in the front. The rear is the same as all the other models.


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[ForRun]

I'm not sure on height, but just checked my pro. Has more lean than my orp! It had 1/2" lean and the pro has 3/4"

 

[hwnrunner]

The pro setup is approximately 1” higher in the front. The rear is the same as all the other models.


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yes, 1" up front only!

 

[BadTrainDriver]

HoLuP:

You're asking GROUND CLEARANCE.

There is no difference in ground clearance on an 4Runner that uses a 265/70R17 tire, as the tire is the determining factor.

 

[DeltaWhiskey]

I measured at the dealer a 19 voodoo pro and a 19 ORP,
Pro was 1/2” taller ground to fender than ORP.


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[the_fornicator]

I measured at the dealer a 19 voodoo pro and a 19 ORP,
Pro was 1/2” taller ground to fender than ORP.

Different tire sizes/brands as well as inflation pressure can throw your measurement off a fair bit.

Fender to mid wheel hub is way more accurate.

 

[BadTrainDriver]

I measured at the dealer a 19 voodoo pro and a 19 ORP,
Pro was 1/2” taller ground to fender than ORP.


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Different tire sizes/brands as well as inflation pressure can throw your measurement off a fair bit.

Fender to mid wheel hub is way more accurate.

Neither which is a ground clearance measurement, which is what he's asking about.

 

[War Eagle]

My 2018 was 1" shorter in front than similar PRO. Rear was the same. I added the FJC TRD TTU suspension and clearance was same as PRO. Measurements hub center to fender. Since then, I've added Warn Hybrid bumper, RCI skids, RSG sliders, Proline sual swingout Bumper, etc.

Front did not drop much, but rear has dropped 1/2". I'm adding some Bilsten heavy rear springs to lift 2".

 

[20164runner]

2019 Toyota 4Runner Towing Capacity and Ground Clearance Specs

https://www.toyota.com/4runner/ebrochure/

YouTube

Start at 10 minutes for the YouTube video.


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[nimby]

Thanks for the responses.

To clarify, I wasn't exclusively asking about ground clearance numbers but rather trying to get at how much front lift the Pro offered over the OR. I mistakingly thought that if the Pro had some lift compared to the OR, the ground clearance numbers would show that. I neglected to think about the rear axle ground clearance being the same on both and how that would keep ground clearance numbers the same.

So maybe asking this another way might give more clarification......if I replaced the front struts on an OR with Pro front struts, how much lift could I expect to achieve?

Based off the numbers that Toyota provides, I'm leaning toward the Pro being 0.5" higher in the front based on the overall height difference from the OR (71.5") to the Pro (72"). I know there will be some variation from truck to truck, but generally speaking, does this sound like a safe assumption?

 

[BadTrainDriver]

Thanks for the responses.

To clarify, I wasn't exclusively asking about ground clearance numbers but rather trying to get at how much front lift the Pro offered over the OR. I mistakingly thought that if the Pro had some lift compared to the OR, the ground clearance numbers would show that. I neglected to think about the rear axle ground clearance being the same on both and how that would keep ground clearance numbers the same.

So maybe asking this another way might give more clarification......if I replaced the front struts on an OR with Pro front struts, how much lift could I expect to achieve?

Based off the numbers that Toyota provides, I'm leaning toward the Pro being 0.5" higher in the front based on the overall height difference from the OR (71.5") to the Pro (72"). I know there will be some variation from truck to truck, but generally speaking, does this sound like a safe assumption?

That is a very safe assumption.

 

[MAST4R]

HoLuP:

You're asking GROUND CLEARANCE.

There is no difference in ground clearance on an 4Runner that uses a 265/70R17 tire, as the tire is the determining factor.

Since when does the 4Runner come with SFA?

The lift should be 0.8".

In addition to springs, skid plate design also affects ground clearance in the front and so does KDSS.

Whether the 0.8" will make a difference will depend entirely on the springs. If the springs are stiff, it will totally make a difference both at speed and in rock. The reason a fully stock 4Runner hits a lot is not because it lacks clearance but because the springs are too soft.

If the springs are soft, like the standard 6112 springs, then a small front lift like 0.8-1.2 makes virtually no difference.

 

[nimby]

Since when does the 4Runner come with SFA?

The lift should be 0.8".

In addition to springs, skid plate design also affects ground clearance in the front and so does KDSS.

Whether the 0.8" will make a difference will depend entirely on the springs. If the springs are stiff, it will totally make a difference both at speed and in rock. The reason a fully stock 4Runner hits a lot is not because it lacks clearance but because the springs are too soft.

If the springs are soft, like the standard 6112 springs, then a small front lift like 0.8-1.2 makes virtually no difference.

So what you're saying is that the Pro's are lifted 0.8" in the front, but with the weight of the front on a softer coil, it compresses down to roughly 0.5" of lift? Are you saying it's supposed to be 0.8" in the front because of the Bilstein 0.85" setting on their adjustable shocks or something else?

 

[nimby]

This thread wasn't supposed to be about ground clearance per say, but it does bring up an interesting question. The difference in ground clearance between the 2wd (9.0") and 4wd (9.6") is 0.6". Since both 2wd and 4wd models use the same stock tire size, then one would assume that Toyota is taking their ground clearance number somewhere from the IFS front end, right? Bottom of the skid plate perhaps?

From this, we can say that the 4wd gets a small lift over a 2wd. However, Pro ground clearance numbers aren't reported to be any different than the OR (the only number that is different is overall height). Just an oversight from Toyota when reporting Pro ground clearance numbers, or is there something I'm not seeing?

 

[DeltaWhiskey]

Different tire sizes/brands as well as inflation pressure can throw your measurement off a fair bit.



Fender to mid wheel hub is way more accurate.

Well I don’t see the pro having a shorter tire regardless...


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[MAST4R]

This thread wasn't supposed to be about ground clearance per say, but it does bring up an interesting question. The difference in ground clearance between the 2wd (9.0") and 4wd (9.6") is 0.6". Since both 2wd and 4wd models use the same stock tire size, then one would assume that Toyota is taking their ground clearance number somewhere from the IFS front end, right? Bottom of the skid plate perhaps?

From this, we can say that the 4wd gets a small lift over a 2wd. However, Pro ground clearance numbers aren't reported to be any different than the OR (the only number that is different is overall height). Just an oversight from Toyota when reporting Pro ground clearance numbers, or is there something I'm not seeing?

Toyota does not report accurate numbers in the first place. I have measured 2wd and mine brand new with proper inflation. The lowest point is not actually the rear diff (which is 9.6) or the lip of the front skid plate (also 9.6).

The lowest point is actually the mid factory skid plate, especially the back part which is 9.2 or so on a brand new vehicle. I do not remember the rental 2wd having any different clearance from my stock new non-KDSS ORP.

What I am saying is that it does not matter. I came from offroading Subarus where every 0.25" of clearance gained or lost made some actual difference offroad.

On the 4R, 0.25, 0.5, or even 1" of clearance does not really matter. What does matter is having stiffer springs because the factory springs are so soft that the vehicle bottoms out if you pick up a modicum of speed in the desert or if hop from one rock to the next as the springs compress too much in the process.

Or, you can go the KING route and combine soft springs with properly valved shocks. That is supposed to be the best route. Since I am cheap, I am putting 650lb Bilstein springs on my Bilstein 6112 shocks.

 

[mteolus]

Where Toyota gets 9.5 inches is beyond me. Should be false advertising. Maybe 9.5 somewhere in the middle, but definitely not at the lowest part of the front skid. Mine was 8" before a lift. So that means a Pro is about 9.

 

[ForRun]

Where Toyota gets 9.5 inches is beyond me. Should be false advertising. Maybe 9.5 somewhere in the middle, but definitely not at the lowest part of the front skid. Mine was 8" before a lift. So that means a Pro is about 9.

I just measured my stock pro and lowest part the skid is 9" eyeballed with a tape measure