I already put my deposit on the new Tesla Cybertruck.
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Jetboy
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That's what 8 months of Tacoma sales? 2 months of f150. That's not a very good pre order number. And most of those won't end up buying. But I am honestly surprised that 200k people saw it and thought "yeah, that's something I want." So in that respect it is at least better than I expected.
If your intention is to hit with a hammer rather than drive it. If that's the goal - it's a great truck for you! The people I know who would care about things like that also care about utility.
How do you fit a flat bed? A snow plow? Can you load a pallet of cement with a fork lift? Does it have a full size spare? Where? Can you charge it anywhere with a trailer attached? Will Tesla update the software to show only trailer capable chargers? Wtf are the stupid wheel covers supposed to do? How well does that bed cover work when the track is full of dirt and sand? What's the range when you put a rack on it? Can you even put a rack on it? Where does it attach? Will it have wipers? Mirrors? Do the windows roll down?
It's hard to take this as a serious effort. I kinda think it's an elaborate trolling.
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You get that the Rivian with 3s 0-60 and 400 mile range is significantly more expensive than the highest end Tesla CT right? What I posted was the highest Tesla trim vs. the lowest Rivian trim, which shows that Tesla will blow Rivian out of the water.
The Rivian model that's 3s 0-60 and 400 mile range is going to be well above $100k.
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shadow247
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Tesla is targeting the AVERAGE truck buyer these days. You know, the ones with 4wd that never gets engaged, bedcovers that only get opened to load a case of paper towels every other week. He's not chasing the SuperDuty's and Duramaxes, Cummin's truck owners out here. He's going after the guys who barely use their truck as a truck, so don't want the absurd cost per mile of ownership that goes along with it. My dad daily drove a 2500HD Duramax for years, and he spent more on gas than I did for the payment on my truck and motorcycle. Personally, I'm looking at going all electric with everything but my Runner by 2025. A Cybertruck would fit in nicely. I'd be able to daily drive it 2-3x a week that I have to go into the office, and I would have no problem putting my 2 dirtbikes in the back and taking my kid to the track 3 hours away.
Jetboy
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Would you otherwise drive a Honda ridgeline? It's the closest competitor. Although still better at towing and camping. And cheaper per mile.
The ridgeline failed for the reasons you stated. It is perfect for soccer dads. But truck buyers want the image of capability. Even if they should be driving a minivan or a Camry, they buy the truck for the image. But if it can't do real truck things, it won't have the image of doing truck things that the soccer dads want. So they won't buy it. Because they're not buying for function. If they were they wouldn't buy a truck. As a result, trucklets are really hard to sell.
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Bumbo
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Even if the Rivian truck was better specs wise, they don’t have the miles of autopilot data & collection Tesla has done, and is containing to do as we speak. Tesla is so far ahead because of the strides they have made in self-driving technology.
They are so far ahead of the game that every other player is just going to be playing catchup unless Tesla decides to license the tech to other automakers. If you haven’t experienced autopilot yet, it’s about the most mind numbing part of the brand as far as I am concerned. I have never seen something track and respond to things around me like that before. If you spend any amount of time on the freeway, it is THE reason I am even considering the brand in the first place.
jcalvert86
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Tesla likely isn't even in the top 3.
Jetboy
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I don't think Tesla's data is worth a lot. The problem is that they're using low resolution cameras that are physically incapable of the resolving power required for safe self driving. They're not even full HD cameras. So at any meaningful distance the resolving power is insufficient to identify objects boarders with enough resolution to calculate speed, position, or size. You can work through the math. I have. I don't think it's possible with the hardware they're using and I don't think the data they're recording is going to be particularly useful.
In short, a human has two 580mp self focusing sensors in binocular vision mounted on a gimbal with a very complex intelligence processor. The most advanced Tesla system has about 10 fixed aim, fixed focus, low resolution 1.2mp cameras. The cameras absolutely can do things a human driver can't. No argument. Machines *will* outdrive a person. But the current hardware in any current Tesla isn't even remotely in the ball park of sensor capability.
I do think Tesla will release full self driving and kill a dozen or so people before they get shut down. And then they'll claim it's "safer" like they currently claim - which is objectively false. They are not among the safest cars on the road by measure of either deaths per mile driven or by insurance injury payout costs. In fact even the 4Runner is better than most Tesla models.
And I think there's merit in pushing the limits. Tesla in some ways should be commended for pushing the industry. I just wish they'd be honest about what they're doing and the limits of their products. I think the beta testers should be fully informed that they're beta testers and some of them are going to die for the improvement of the product.
And I don't think Toyota is doing a very good job of keeping up. It doesn't have to be all or nothing. Toyota literally pioneered the camera based driving in the LS about 20 years ago it had lane keep assist, self parking, etc. And then what? Nothing. Toyota basically did nothing but small incremental updates with the technology for two decades.
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Bumbo
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Then educate... because I haven't personally seen or experienced anything else at this level.
Ray Dunakin
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I kind of like the look, but the design isn't very practical IMHO. I prefer a truck that make maximum use of its "footprint". The sloped back of the Cybertruck is just the opposite -- it limits how much gear you could haul. And the sloped front limits your headroom and cabin space.
Also the bulletproof glass is a lawsuit in the making. In an accident no one will be able to break the glass, so if the car's burning or sinking in water you're screwed.
And of course, it still has all the major drawbacks of any electric vehicle -- insanely slow recharge times, costly infrastructure needed for charging, incompatible chargers, and ever different charger requires you to use their app to make payment rather than accepting credit cards. (I would never use my phone to pay for anything -- it's too risky.)
Also the bulletproof glass is a lawsuit in the making. In an accident no one will be able to break the glass, so if the car's burning or sinking in water you're screwed.
And of course, it still has all the major drawbacks of any electric vehicle -- insanely slow recharge times, costly infrastructure needed for charging, incompatible chargers, and ever different charger requires you to use their app to make payment rather than accepting credit cards. (I would never use my phone to pay for anything -- it's too risky.)
da-kine-bra
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The Rivian interior really speaks to me, personally. It looks very comfortable, contemporary, and luxurious. I have doubts about how far along Tesla really is on their truck.
da-kine-bra
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They put a hundred dollar "deposit" down. That's a lot less than was required on previous Tesla "reservations".
ArmyGreenPro
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Beauty is in the eye of the beholder but the only good thing that came out of that reveal was the quad.
LandCruiser
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Free money for Elon.
The man is a better scammer than PT Barnum.
Also deposits of $100 don't equal people putting up hard cash if this thing ever comes to production.
Gunslinger-13
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Tesla, as a company- sucks balls.
Solar City is just sad. What they are doingis criminal in some cases.
The power wall sucks. The solar tile sucks.
They are not following through on contractual obligations to their clients, leaving them spending thousands for various reasons.
Their turnaround time to remove panels from a roof is 8-12 months and then reinstall is “unknown”.
So you’re just left without panels, and holding the bill- average $4K-$10K to remove and reinstall, even though they promised flat rate of $500.00.
There should be a class action lawsuit coming.
They over promise and under deliver. On EVERYTHING.
Another poster hit the nail on the head- PT barnum incarnate. Musk is a wanker.
Thing that pisses me off the most is our tax dollars subsidize these stupid cars for upper middle class *******s to buy...
They sure do have some fan boys.
It’s like Jeeps. They suck but people love them. It’s an image to project.
Highest maintenance costs in the business. With slow turnaround times for any repairs being done.
Cutting corners, it’s the Tesla way. Their shit absolutely needs those every 12,000 mile inspection to fix all the shortcomings.
And don’t tell me “they’re new, growing pains” BS.
Not everything on a Tesla is low quality, but much of the components they choose are well below industry standards and it shows after a year or two.
Insurance to own is very high.
Musk decided to use you as a beta tester instead of properly testing his shit. That’s pretty shitty.
Tesla drivers have the highest incidence of accidents. Versus all other brands...
Oh yeah, the auto drive doesn’t detect vehicles that aren’t moving...whoops...
Their fatality rate is triple that of other luxury vehicle manufacturers.
But Eli doesn’t give a shit about you stupid people who he believes should die anyways to help save the environment, so he just lies about it every chance he gets and Tesla is not solving any of the major problems.
It’s a poorly run corporation that barely scrapes by in times of economic growth. Without the subsidies, it would be gone.
They will go out of business in the next 5-10 years and leave all you fan boys pissing in the wind with a vehicle that won’t last much longer than a couple of years without MAJOR investment.
Oh yeah, hope you like all the rattling and the non fix for it.
Tesla sucks.
Solar City is just sad. What they are doingis criminal in some cases.
The power wall sucks. The solar tile sucks.
They are not following through on contractual obligations to their clients, leaving them spending thousands for various reasons.
Their turnaround time to remove panels from a roof is 8-12 months and then reinstall is “unknown”.
So you’re just left without panels, and holding the bill- average $4K-$10K to remove and reinstall, even though they promised flat rate of $500.00.
There should be a class action lawsuit coming.
They over promise and under deliver. On EVERYTHING.
Another poster hit the nail on the head- PT barnum incarnate. Musk is a wanker.
Thing that pisses me off the most is our tax dollars subsidize these stupid cars for upper middle class *******s to buy...
They sure do have some fan boys.
It’s like Jeeps. They suck but people love them. It’s an image to project.
Highest maintenance costs in the business. With slow turnaround times for any repairs being done.
Cutting corners, it’s the Tesla way. Their shit absolutely needs those every 12,000 mile inspection to fix all the shortcomings.
And don’t tell me “they’re new, growing pains” BS.
Not everything on a Tesla is low quality, but much of the components they choose are well below industry standards and it shows after a year or two.
Insurance to own is very high.
Musk decided to use you as a beta tester instead of properly testing his shit. That’s pretty shitty.
Tesla drivers have the highest incidence of accidents. Versus all other brands...
Oh yeah, the auto drive doesn’t detect vehicles that aren’t moving...whoops...
Their fatality rate is triple that of other luxury vehicle manufacturers.
But Eli doesn’t give a shit about you stupid people who he believes should die anyways to help save the environment, so he just lies about it every chance he gets and Tesla is not solving any of the major problems.
It’s a poorly run corporation that barely scrapes by in times of economic growth. Without the subsidies, it would be gone.
They will go out of business in the next 5-10 years and leave all you fan boys pissing in the wind with a vehicle that won’t last much longer than a couple of years without MAJOR investment.
Oh yeah, hope you like all the rattling and the non fix for it.
Tesla sucks.
4Runnergenius
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I've done a complete 180 and really like the cybertruck now. A blacked out model would be awesome.
Bumbo
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Speaking of 180, that's the price I should have bought some more stock at.
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