This is new for the 2020. I did not install their app and wont. I understand I cannot avoid everything when it comes to privacy, that's impossible. But I refuse to have a computer apply the brakes for me and I never used cruise control for the 25 years I have been driving. I still enjoy my 4runner and cant wait to do some mild mod's to it.
I do not trust this freaking camera on my windshield
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LandCruiser
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Way too late to get upset about computers controlling your car.
david05111
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I'm a pretty big privacy guy, but I can't get too worked up about a camera that's part of the TSS system. The suburu system is entirely camera-based, IIRC.
This isn't a case of some nefarious intent and people in the shadows watching your every move and giving that info to the government. It's designed to help pick up the lines on the road so that the lane departure system works and its designed to help identify people and animals as part of the pedestrian detection system.
This isn't a case of some nefarious intent and people in the shadows watching your every move and giving that info to the government. It's designed to help pick up the lines on the road so that the lane departure system works and its designed to help identify people and animals as part of the pedestrian detection system.
Chris In Milwaukee
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patkelly4370
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I've been driving 45 years.
Last year was the first I drove a vehicle with those "safety" systems.
Last year was also the first time I was involved in an accident. Two of them. Major accidents. (I was not at fault in either case).
Both were in my work truck, an 18-wheeler.
So collision avoidance & lane departure are crutches for those that maybe shouldn't be driving.
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LandCruiser
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People are driving distracted more, you should know that more than anyone since you can look into every car that passes you.
I'd like to see concrete data if collision avoidance and LDW/LKA systems are having any effect on serious accidents when more of them are in the wild.
The LKA I tried out on a Ford Escape rental made the car bounce between lane markers like a billiard ball and decided to slingshot itself out of the lane when cornering on highways.
Ah, so you’re that guy on the highway that never maintains the same speed when we all know your 2020 has cruise control. Makes sense now. Ill never understand people that think someone is out to get them because cars don’t have carburetors and an ignition I can start with a screw driver anymore. If big brother wants to stalk you we have plenty of better ways and systems to do it. Your phone you constantly carry around with multiple cameras and a microphone is one of them.
The cameras are for CYA. Toyota and everyone is looking to put the blame on someone else. Google, Apple and especially Amazon know more about you than the IRS. The data that they collect on you is worth money.
People get dumber everyday and the technology encourages them to do that. My wife worked at Stanford where the "smartest kids in the world" went to school. However, a few of them get collect by cars ever year because they will ride their bike across the campus with no hands while texting. I just don't want to be the collector - so I have my own dash cam for my own CYA.
Personally I hate the nanny stuff. I actually find it distracting when the car starts yelling at me that I'm not in my lane.
Possibly the worst distraction in modern cars is the friggin touch screen. Unlike real buttons and knobs that you can feel and touch without looking, a touch screen requires your vision to operate correctly.
Stay safe and put down your phone.
People get dumber everyday and the technology encourages them to do that. My wife worked at Stanford where the "smartest kids in the world" went to school. However, a few of them get collect by cars ever year because they will ride their bike across the campus with no hands while texting. I just don't want to be the collector - so I have my own dash cam for my own CYA.
Personally I hate the nanny stuff. I actually find it distracting when the car starts yelling at me that I'm not in my lane.
Possibly the worst distraction in modern cars is the friggin touch screen. Unlike real buttons and knobs that you can feel and touch without looking, a touch screen requires your vision to operate correctly.
Stay safe and put down your phone.
JsinLegacy
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Hmmm..... people complaining about privacy while using smart phones and posting all over the internet. Yup...
What do you know about my driving skills? How ****ing hard is it to maintain speed with your foot? How many people have died over the years by falling asleep from getting comfortable with the cruise control on? You kidding me? Did I say someone is out to get me? Did I not mention I know it is impossible to avoid this technology today? What does this have to do with carburetor's? You don't know shit about me. Toyota has no God Damn right to collect data from me to profit without my consent. It is simple as that.
LandCruiser
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There is a good point under all the ranting. There now seems to be a tacit agreement that buying a car is like buying a cell phone and you, by using it, tacitly agree to be spied upon and your data collected and sold and your only recourse is not to buy/use it.
97BlackAckCL
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I know several people who own Subarus with the TSS system, the cameras do not record, they just monitor for traffic and road lines in front of you
Yep, damn shame to. I am in Fleet services and see alot that I do not like. I miss the damn 80's.
We know you don't research your vehicle's features before you buy it.
david05111
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Does the Toyota one? Have we actually seen proof in the form of a video recorded from it that suggests that that video is being harvested and kept?
Some cars do have cameras in them from the factory. I think someone might have mentioned the corvette at some point, which with a certain package does. But that option is specifically there to let people record their lap times if they want and it has a way to download that stuff.
I'm unaware at the moment of any way that the camera system on the 4runner does the same, which is why I'm not too concerned. My understanding it's essentially live video without a storage device. The video is interpreted in real-time by the computer and then purged.
The car absolutely does log driving habits, as evidenced by the "drivers score" and the breadcrumbs stuff available in the app. But that still isn't some clandestine attempt to record millions of hours of video from millions of cars on the road for some sort of data collection.
As an aside, if the camera system did record, it would be pretty nice to have it in place of a standalone aftermarket dash cam. Assuming of course that you and you alone had access to the saved video.
Regardless, I'm betting that the camera on the 4runner doesn't record anything at all. It's a live feed, that's it
TOYO74
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You can still buy vehicles from the 80's. Sell your "Big Brother" 4R and go to any salvage yard or low rider car show. You will see lots of low tech stuff .
Gamma Ray
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