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Do you think Toyota will offer a Diesel in the next gen 4runner?? maybe this should be a poll but what are your thoughts?

If it made at leased 200HP and like 3000ft lbs of torqueI think I would buy one.
 
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For me it will strictly be having a V8 and a damn cool truck looking 4R , then I'll buy another .

Diesel would be cool , alot of people really want one , but I have no need , nor see the need for xtra power and add'l costs over my V8.
 
I would buy a diesel if I had a choice. I have a F-350 6.0 diesel and get about 16 MPG average with a mixture of city and highway driving. There is very little change in the mileage even when towing. I think the 4Runner would get better mileage, because it is lighter. Also, diesel engines seems to last longer and I think biodeisel should be a fuel we use more in the future. Of course diesel has it drawbacks, such as more quarts of oil to change, very cold blooded in the cold weather and is noisier then a gas engine. my .02
 
The 3.0lt 4cyl turbo deisel intercooled engine in overseas 4runners does;
Hp - 129@3600
Torque - 343@2000
Certainly more of a work horse than a performance engine, but certainly no slouch with those stats at low revs. Havent found any milage info but its pretty much guaranteed to be the most economical.
 
techno said:
The 3.0lt 4cyl turbo deisel intercooled engine in overseas 4runners does;
Hp - 129@3600
Torque - 343@2000
Certainly more of a work horse than a performance engine, but certainly no slouch with those stats at low revs. Havent found any milage info but its pretty much guaranteed to be the most economical.

Add about 60hp more for the USA market and it would be about perfect.
 
juneau92 said:
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I've never understood the logic of this statement. Today's gasoline engines easily last 200K miles and even more. After your vehicle has that many miles, I think most folks will be looking for a newer vehicle anyway. So, to me, diesel's longevity doesn't mean anything.

I think you are right on the life span with today's gas engines they last a long time ........ Not like the old days.
 
Stuff the 5.7L under the hood and I think it is perfect!

Actually the overseas diseal would probably be fine with an intercooled turbo.
 
juneau92 said:
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I've never understood the logic of this statement. Today's gasoline engines easily last 200K miles and even more. After your vehicle has that many miles, I think most folks will be looking for a newer vehicle anyway. So, to me, diesel's longevity doesn't mean anything.

I agree with your point of gas engines lasting longer today. I have a gas F-150 pushing 400K and still going. However, if I can make a deisel go to 600K miles, which I see no reason it shouldn't with Semi's going a million plus, I will take the diesel and go the extra 200k (just an example). I don't trade in vehicles unless they are causing me too much grief(owned two). My vehicles will all get towed away by the savage yard when they will no longer run or just no longer worth the money to fix hopefully with 500k miles or more. I hate car payments and will never have another one. Therefore, the longer I can put off and save to buy a new truck the better.
 
I don't think you'll be seeing a diesel in any 4Runner in the foreseeable future and you'll see on in the new Tundra first and then maybe the discussion of one in a Runner might be realistic but i'm positive you won't see one even in the next 5 years.
 
In a 4Runner I'd definetly pass....the V8's fast, smooth and quiet, as is the V6. Diesel just doesn't fit with those qualities, and I don't care enough about fuel economy to downgrade to a slower, noisier truck with greatly decreased throttle response. Plus everyone forgets that regular diesel maintenence can be very expensive, and the increasing cost of diesel itself may negate any mpg advantage....

Now, if Toyota made a diesel in a 3/4 ton pickup to play with the Duramax and Cummins boys....then I would be interested.
 
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Northof49 said:

Now, if Toyota made a diesel in a 3/4 ton pickup to play with the Duramax and Cummins boys....then I would be interested.

The Toyota Hilux and the Landcruiser 78 have great diesel engines and they are 1 ton pickups, non of this 3/4 ton crap. The American market is missing out on some great options because they're stuck in the 1970's belief that diesels are lousy.
 
Isn't the Hilux a Tacoma? I didn't think they came in a 4x4 1-ton...are you sure you're thinking of the right model? And the diesels offered definetly aren't of the 500+ft/lbs torque variety that I would want in a 3/4 or 1-ton to compete with the American boys.
 
They are similar, yes, but not the same thing.
The engine offered in the Hilux is the 3.0 lt turbo diesel. It does 252 ft/lbs @1400 rpm.
The Cruiser has a 4.2 lt turbo that does 280@1400. I got these figures from the Toyota Australia web site www.toyota.com.au
So that is not going to compete with your 500+ requirement that's coming from 6.0+ lt engines. Maybe its got something to do with the truck size. Hilux's, Landcruisers etc are considered full-size overseas but are smaller and lighter than the F'ies and Rams etc here.
 
techno said:
The American market is missing out on some great options because they're stuck in the 1970's belief that diesels are lousy.

Who's stuck in the '70s? Toyota? Deisels sell well in the US in the big three's trucks but for some reason Toyota doesn't think it'll sell well in their pickups...............yet. We'll see within the next few years if Toyota will park a diesel in the new Tundra.

As far as diesels in smaller trucks I don't see a reason why and the US public doesn't want a noisy engine in their cozy SUVs.
 

Diesels got a bad rep because of the 'converted' diesel engines put forth by GM/Oldsmobile. Rather than designing an engine to be diesel from the start (as would Mercedes, VW or Volvo), they tried to "reverse engineer" a 350 V8 gasoline engine block. Bad idea!

To be fair to GM, many folks who purchased them were not familiar with the maintenance requirements of diesels and would often unknowingly do things that were harmful to the car.

Diesels today are light years ahead of where they once were, and many can rival gasoline engines with regard to overall enjoyment. They put out gobs of torque at lower RPMs, and burn much, much cleaner than even a few years ago.

The overall savings is not as large as it once was, since diesel fuel now costs 15 or 20 cents a gallon more than unleaded regular; thus eroding much of the advantage obtained by getting more miles per gallon of fuel. Diesels are much more popular in Europe because they tax diesel fuel at a much lower rate than unleaded gasoline. {If gasoline were $4 and diesel were $3, we would be seeing more diesel cars here in the states!}

As for trucks, the additional pulling power/torque of a diesel engine speaks for itself - mostly by the number of people who willingly pay a huge premium (over $4000 for most trucks) to get an oil-burner under the hood of their new Dodge Ram, Chevy Silverado or Ford Super Duty. Getting 17 mpg with a diesel rather than 10 or 11 from a gas V-8 is a significant difference that will "pay for" the diesel option in a few short years.

I suppose Toyota will eventually bring a diesel truck to the US market, or at least offer one sourced from their Hino truck division. We have a few Hino cab-overs where I work, and they are all diesel-powered. (Hino is made by Toyota, for those of you who don't know.)

Good night!


P.S. My work truck is diesel-powered, a 2000 International 4900 with a DT466 and a seven-speed manual transmission. It requires a CDL because it is rated at 32,000 pounds.
 
Yet Toyota, Nissan, Ford, Land Rover, Audi, Volvo, Porche, VW, Mitsubishi, Mazda, etc all have diesel engines in their trucks AND SUV's in Europe, Africa, Asia, Australia, Central and South America, everywhere but North America. Even Jeep has had diesels in their Cherokees and Grand Cherokees for years overseas.
Why is the USA the only place that thinks bad of diesels in SUVs? I dont know.
 
techno said:
They are similar, yes, but not the same thing.
The engine offered in the Hilux is the 3.0 lt turbo diesel. It does 252 ft/lbs @1400 rpm.
The Cruiser has a 4.2 lt turbo that does 280@1400. I got these figures from the Toyota Australia web site www.toyota.com.au
So that is not going to compete with your 500+ requirement that's coming from 6.0+ lt engines. Maybe its got something to do with the truck size. Hilux's, Landcruisers etc are considered full-size overseas but are smaller and lighter than the F'ies and Rams etc here.
The Hilux is a heavy 1/4 ton like a Tacoma.....why did you say it was a 1-ton?

So back to my original point, no, I would not trade the smooth, quiet V8 with 330trq and 6,000rpm of powerband for those smaller diesels that will pull less, go slower, and be less enjoyable doing it. I will happily give up many mpg's in order to do the above....as will most North Americans buying similar vehicles, and such is the problem with marketing them here. Gas prices, as much as we like to complain about them, simply have not hit us hard enough yet to make the switch.
 

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