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[Hepar]

2nd quote sorry. As for context really. Trumps quote while foolishly on tape wasn't a speech it was banter between two guys on a bus. In fact if you listen to it, clip below, you will see that the host is just as objectifying he just doesn't use the grab them phrase. He does tell the young lady she needs to give Donald a hug. Then she needs to give him a hug. But the context of the conversation is banter between 2 guys not a how to act speech not a it's ok to do this speech, just banter.
'Grab em by the p**sy': Trump caught on hot mic degrading women


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Yes, it is just banter but it is the manner in which he is discussing it that has people talking. It's not jus that he used the P word. It is HOW he used it. That he has the power to just "grab a girl by the p*ssy" and they won't do anything.

And Bush has been suspended. You could make the argument that it is worse that what has happened to Trump being Trump still has his job and is still a Presidential candidate. You could also make the argument that it's not due to that it could be the final nail in the coffin for his run.

 

[ndcent]

To dismiss those remarks as "locker room banter" is an insult to good men.

 

[Yukon4Runner]

To dismiss those remarks as "locker room banter" is an insult to good men.

And for Hillary to attack and denigrate Bill's victims is an insult to women.

 

[Thefishguy77]

To dismiss those remarks as "locker room banter" is an insult to good men.

Well you may only hang out with a certain type of "man". While my group of friends are all happily married and very very loyal to our families. When we get together at hunting camp or beer brewing parties that kind of talk ensues. Hell our wives have been present for it an know it's just talk.

To say that Trumps comments were more than just talk is a big jump. How do you know he grabs women?

As to Bush being suspended. Well that sucks for him but that was his job. That was just a trip to an engagement for Trump. So maybe if Bush hadn't imitated the conversation by pointing out the hot women it would never have happened to either of them.


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[Elan_]

And for Hillary to attack and denigrate Bill's victims is an insult to women.

What is your goal in making this argument? You want to defend one despicable act by pointing to another despicable act?

 

[Hepar]

What is your goal in making this argument? You want to defend one despicable act by pointing to another despicable act?

You must be new here.

 

[ndcent]

And for Hillary to attack and denigrate Bill's victims is an insult to women.

Victims? Was he tried and found guilty of something I'm not aware of?

 

[Thefishguy77]

I don't know yukons goal but I imagine it's more to keep balance between the 2. People like ndcent say stuff like I don't like Hillary either. But yet fail to give any negative feedback on her. So I would imagine giving the context of the conversation and how it got to this tangent is that we we (conservative members) were pointing out how Hillary defended her accused rapist and sexual predator husband and threatened women. Then this tape arises and it gets compared to the Bill and Hillary scandal. But after all Trump just said words. Bill and Hillary both have a history of women's rights abuse.

https://www.intellihub.com/video-hillary-clinton-brags-getting-pedophile-off-hook/

http://www.dailywire.com/news/9585/...on-threatened-smeared-or-amanda-prestigiacomo


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[ndcent]

Well you may only hang out with a certain type of "man". While my group of friends are all happily married and very very loyal to our families. When we get together at hunting camp or beer brewing parties that kind of talk ensues. Hell our wives have been present for it an know it's just talk.

To say that Trumps comments were more than just talk is a big jump. How do you know he grabs women?

As to Bush being suspended. Well that sucks for him but that was his job. That was just a trip to an engagement for Trump. So maybe if Bush hadn't imitated the conversation by pointing out the hot women it would never have happened to either of them.


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You and your buddies brew beer and casually talk about sexually assaulting women?

 

[Thefishguy77]

You and your buddies brew beer and casually talk about sexually assaulting women?

No, objectifying banter. I still find it funny that people like you are more worried about someone who talked about it vs someone that actually defended it.
Trump apologized for his words. Bill sexual assault victims are still waiting to hear an apology from both Bill and Hillary. But I guess it's different when your on the liberal side. The do nothing and take credit for everything side.


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[Gunslinger-13]

You know the world is a F'd up place when Trumps "words" are more egregious to people than Hilary's "actions". It's the Twilight Zone around here.

Emails, servers, Benghazi, "I'm all for the 2nd amendment, but...", how she treated Bills rape victims, her non stop lying ("I took sniper fire in Bosnia..."), Clinton Foundation, etc.

I'm no fan of what Trump said in that bus tape. But it was a private moment caught on tape and used against the wishes of NBC- you better believe Trump is gonna sue the shit outta NBC and they will settle out of court to the tune of MILLIONS.

It was locker room male machismo bravado bullshit- I hear worse at the gym every day (It makes me cringe every time, but I know it is Male Machismo bullshit)- that doesn't make it right nor excusable but let's put it into perspective with the actual CRIMINAL actions of Hildabeast.

She has done far worse and SHOULD be behind bars for breaking several federal laws- BUT SHE ISN'T, and the media and so many folks are in lock step with her. It's sad- really, really sad.

The absolute bias shown by CNN was disgusting during that debate- the moderators were actually debating with Trump at times! What a joke! The captions CNN ran were all pro Hilary and anti Trump- CNN should change their name to "Clinton News Network", it's accurate.

I would hope you guys here positing that Trumps locker room chat is so bad would do the same about the media bias, I mean seriously it's supposed to be the fourth estate- not a propaganda machine in the pocket of the political elite! FFS!

Moderators should put personal bias aside and do their effing jobs. It was a dog and pony show- a 3 on 1 and it should be pissing you all off big time..but nope who GAF about actions when we can attack some words that are ouchy hurtful and not safe-spacey. The PC'ness of this country and you folks is going to be our doom.

To me the most important moment of that debate (Other than the media showing/not even trying to hide that they are in the bag for Clinton) was the question about SCOTUS justices:

Trump:
"I want someone who respects the Constitution"
"I want someone like Justice Scalia"

Hilary:
"I respect the 2nd amendment, but..."
"I want to overturn citizens united..."


Ha, overturn it, she has received campaign funding in excess of any other candidate ever from the same folks that would not be able to contribute if CU was overturned. What a crock of shite!

With Hilary's criminal activity and lie after lie she isn't fit for President and I would take anyone over her. Including someone who says stupid shit in his/her personal life- because we have ALL said stupid shit in our personal lives and if that holds more water to you folks than actual effing CRIMINAL ACTIONS- the country is doomed.

If nasty words have more importance than criminal actions and the media being in the pocket of a candidate/political party- things are worse than I thought they were, much worse.

 

[ndcent]

No, objectifying banter. I still find it funny that people like you are more worried about someone who talked about it vs someone that actually defended it.
Trump apologized for his words. Bill sexual assault victims are still waiting to hear an apology from both Bill and Hillary. But I guess it's different when your on the liberal side. The do nothing and take credit for everything side.


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So you agree his remarks about sexual assault are not the same.

You'll sit around the mash tun and make harmless jokes that might objectify women, which is normal in my opinion. But you wouldn't joke about sexually assaulting married women, like Trump has? Which is abnormal, in my opinion.

 

[Thefishguy77]

You know the world is a F'd up place when Trumps "words" are more egregious to people than Hilary's "actions". It's the Twilight Zone around here.

Emails, servers, Benghazi, "I'm all for the 2nd amendment, but...", how she treated Bills rape victims, her non stop lying ("I took sniper fire in Bosnia..."), Clinton Foundation, etc.

I'm no fan of what Trump said in that bus tape. But it was a private moment caught on tape and used against the wishes of NBC- you better believe Trump is gonna sue the shit outta NBC and they will settle out of court to the tune of MILLIONS.

It was locker room male machismo bravado bullshit- I hear worse at the gym every day (It makes me cringe every time, but I know it is Male Machismo bullshit)- that doesn't make it right nor excusable but let's put it into perspective with the actual CRIMINAL actions of Hildabeast.

She has done far worse and SHOULD be behind bars for breaking several federal laws- BUT SHE ISN'T, and the media and so many folks are in lock step with her. It's sad- really, really sad.

The absolute bias shown by CNN was disgusting during that debate- the moderators were actually debating with Trump at times! What a joke! The captions CNN ran were all pro Hilary and anti Trump- CNN should change their name to "Clinton News Network", it's accurate.

I would hope you guys here positing that Trumps locker room chat is so bad would do the same about the media bias, I mean seriously it's supposed to be the fourth estate- not a propaganda machine in the pocket of the political elite! FFS!

Moderators should put personal bias aside and do their effing jobs. It was a dog and pony show- a 3 on 1 and it should be pissing you all off big time..but nope who GAF about actions when we can attack some words that are ouchy hurtful and not safe-spacey. The PC'ness of this country and you folks is going to be our doom.

To me the most important moment of that debate (Other than the media showing/not even trying to hide that they are in the bag for Clinton) was the question about SCOTUS justices:

Trump:
"I want someone who respects the Constitution"
"I want someone like Justice Scalia"

Hilary:
"I respect the 2nd amendment, but..."
"I want to overturn citizens united..."


Ha, overturn it, she has received campaign funding in excess of any other candidate ever from the same folks that would not be able to contribute if CU was overturned. What a crock of shite!

With Hilary's criminal activity and lie after lie she isn't fit for President and I would take anyone over her. Including someone who says stupid shit in his/her personal life- because we have ALL said stupid shit in our personal lives and if that holds more water to you folks than actual effing CRIMINAL ACTIONS- the country is doomed.

If nasty words have more importance than criminal actions and the media being in the pocket of a candidate/political party- things are worse than I thought they were, much worse.

Soon the useful idiots will find out what they have been working for.

Did any of you read the book I have recommended 2 times? It's what your being manipulated in to working for. Good luck and who will you ask for help when the hens come home to roost?


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[Thefishguy77]

So you agree his remarks about sexual assault are not the same.

You'll sit around the mash tun and make harmless jokes that might objectify women, which is normal in my opinion. But you wouldn't joke about sexually assaulting married women, like Trump has? Which is abnormal, in my opinion.

No I personally wouldn't. But words are just that, words. He hasn't acted on those words and I don't think he will. While Bill and Hillary may not talk about how they have treated women their actions speak volumes. So what's worse words or actions?

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[MENTION=55551]ndcent[/MENTION]

Do you feel the same about all musicians regardless of genre that talk about women in a poor sexual assaulting light? What about those people that support their music in the name of art?

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[ndcent]

No I personally wouldn't. But words are just that, words. He hasn't acted on those words and I don't think he will. While Bill and Hillary may not talk about how they have treated women their actions speak volumes. So what's worse words or actions?


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You're absolutely right, words are words. But there are women out there claiming Trump has assaulted them just as there are women out there claiming Bill Clinton assaulted them. You're giving your side the benefit of the doubt while claiming them as fact against the guy not running for president.

And while you're doing all of that you keep trying to single me out as biased.

It's weird.

 

[Thefishguy77]

You're absolutely right, words are words. But there are women out there claiming Trump has assaulted them just as there are women out there claiming Bill Clinton assaulted them. You're giving your side the benefit of the doubt while claiming them as fact against the guy not running for president.



And while you're doing all of that you keep trying to single me out as biased.



It's weird.

Ok I am aware of one case against trump that has already been thrown out of court once. Is there another one beside the one you already linked?

Much of the girls story doesn't add up. If she is a rape victim then that's sad. But asking for 100,000,000 just months before an election seems fishy. Also the fact that she filed the case herself can sometime mean something as well. Most lawyers will not take a case that they know doesn't have merit. If she had any evidence circumstantial or physical I don't think it would be that hard to get a lawyer to take the case on contingency. After all that usually bets the lawyer over 50% of the proceeds. So over $50,000,000. That's retirement/ career making money/ headlines.

Sorry I may be a calloused D*ck but I think she is in it for attention and money. Same reasons trump and Hillary are running for president.


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[1engineer]

I started this thread just to see what the informal, unscientific numbers would be and 654 posts later, it has turned into this:

Summary of this whole thread

"The republicans are right!"
"No, the democrats are right!"
"No, the democrats are wrong and here's this link from a website showing it!"
"No, the republicans are wrong because that link is just a wrong opinion!"
"No, that link says the other link is wrong so the repub- er, I mean the demo- um, well, one side is definitely wrong!"


"The democrats are right..."
"The republicans are right..."

"Hey, you guys on the other side want to go get a beer? I'm tired of saying the exact same thing six hundred times by just changing a word or two!"

"Yeah, let's go get a beer and talk about hunting or 4Runners or music
or something we can agree on!"

 

[Gunslinger-13]

You're absolutely right, words are words. But there are women out there claiming Trump has assaulted them just as there are women out there claiming Bill Clinton assaulted them. You're giving your side the benefit of the doubt while claiming them as fact against the guy not running for president.

And while you're doing all of that you keep trying to single me out as biased.

It's weird.

To be fair, Trump has 1 allegation of direct sexual assault- groping a makeup artist.

Clinton has at least 7 woman who claim he raped them- full on penetration or being sodomized.

I'm not defending anyone- just want to be clear on the allegations for each of them.


The actions I am most concerned with are Hilary's criminal actions.

Those actions are what should stick out most in all of this.

What she did would have landed any member of the armed forces in Military Prison, yet she is Teflon and gets a pass- by the FBI Director who has family ties/dealings with the Clinton's and their foundation...

I am way more concerned about Hilary's actual criminal actions and the media's over the top bias- they are so obviously in the pocket of the Democratic party and that should be something anyone, regardless of what "Side" you are on has major issues with.

 

[ndcent]

To be fair, Trump has 1 allegation of direct sexual assault- groping a makeup artist.

Clinton has at least 7 woman who claim he raped them- full on penetration or being sodomized.

I'm not defending anyone- just want to be clear on the allegations for each of them.


The actions I am most concerned with are Hilary's criminal actions.

Those actions are what should stick out most in all of this.

What she did would have landed any member of the armed forces in Military Prison, yet she is Teflon and gets a pass- by the FBI Director who has family ties/dealings with the Clinton's and their foundation...

I am way more concerned about Hilary's actual criminal actions and the media's over the top bias- they are so obviously in the pocket of the Democratic party and that should be something anyone, regardless of what "Side" you are on has major issues with.

Thanks for brining is back on topic, which is the candidates and NOT their spouses.

 

[Yukon4Runner]

What is your goal in making this argument? You want to defend one despicable act by pointing to another despicable act?

The goal? Hillary is a hypocrite who does not occupy the moral high ground.