Is the 4Runner becoming the new fan boy vehicle?

I think what has happened is for my age group (people in the 30s), we came from the racing scene (imports, tuners, rice rockets, street scene) and grew up. Got full time jobs, started families, etc. and it didn't make sense to have a coup or sports car anymore.

I came from a R6, to BMW 5 series, to a WRX...got married and needed a family car...ended up going with 4runner for its reliability and functionality (going camping, going to tahoe, beach) and ended up finding out that the same mods we were doing on cars 15-20 years ago could be done on the 4runner.

that with social media and the word is out more than ever that the 4runner is one of the top tier cars you should buy. i looked at a lot of options but nothing came close to what i wanted except for the 4runner.
 
Thoughts on the popularity of the 4Runner...

1. There isn't a single other vehicle like it. As others have said, all the 4Runner's direct competition went to unibody/crossover design and mellowed out the offroad capability. The closest thing left is the Jeep, and those are AWFUL daily drivers and reliably unreliable. The rest are luxury vehicles.

2. People want more than ever for others to envy their Instagram feeds. They want likes. Overlanding, it seems, is good way to get likes. It's the appearance of capability and self-reliance against a backdrop of beautiful scenery. And the 4Runner is a great platform for it.

Fortunately - most people are still too lazy to hike more than a few hundred feet from a parking lot. I don't think that will ever change.

Yes, thankfully. People are willing to go to great lengths to get a good shot to post on Instagram, but most of them aren't willing to carry everything they need to survive on their backs for miles and miles.

I'd never fault someone for driving a vehicle, having a hobby, or doing something similar to me in a way I'd never do myself. But I'm eagerly awaiting the next craze that has everyone selling their RTTs and traction boards. I just hope the wear and tear our congestion has done to remote places in the US doesn't get to the point that we've given the anti-four-wheeling activists all the ammo they need to totally shut us down.
 
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Yup, lots of young bankers and tech engineers I know have bought Pros for the look and just whipping around the city. They have no intention to take use it on the trails. The 5th gen is currently a flavor of the month type vehicle it seems.
 
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1. There isn't a single other vehicle like it. As others have said, all the 4Runner's direct competition went to unibody/crossover design and mellowed out the offroad capability. The closest thing left is the Jeep, and those are AWFUL daily drivers and reliably unreliable.

2. People want more than ever for others to envy their Instagram feeds. They want likes. Overlanding, it seems, is good way to get likes. It's the appearance of capability and self-reliance against a backdrop of beautiful scenery. And the 4Runner is a great platform for it.



Yes, thankfully. People are willing to go to great lengths to get a good shot to post on Instagram, but most of them aren't willing to carry everything they need to survive on their backs for miles and miles.

I'd never fault someone for driving a vehicle, having a hobby, or doing something similar to me in a way I'd never do myself. But I'm eagerly awaiting the next craze that has everyone selling their RTTs and traction boards. I just hope the wear and tear our congestion has done to remote places in the US doesn't get to the point that we've given the anti-four-wheeling activists all the ammo they need to totally shut us down.

Up until 2016, the Nissan Xterra had been a direct competitor for new car sales. That was the time it was discontinued. In offroadability from the factory, I’d give the edge to the Xterra for a slightly shorter wheelbase and better approach, departure, and breakover angles. I think the interior was better quality too, but it needed updating. The ride is definitely smoother in the 4runner due to the different IFS geometry and coil sprung rear. If they had only updated those things, the xterra definitely would’ve sold more and remained in production. But now, yes, it is all the 4runner in new car sales. The JK (or whatever the new wrangler is) could be grouped into the same ability category, but the 4runner is definitely not touching the stock abilities of the Rubicon models.
 
Up until 2016, the Nissan Xterra had been a direct competitor for new car sales. That was the time it was discontinued. In offroadability from the factory, I’d give the edge to the Xterra for a slightly shorter wheelbase and better approach, departure, and breakover angles. I think the interior was better quality too, but it needed updating. The ride is definitely smoother in the 4runner due to the different IFS geometry and coil sprung rear. If they had only updated those things, the xterra definitely would’ve sold more and remained in production. But now, yes, it is all the 4runner in new car sales. The JK (or whatever the new wrangler is) could be grouped into the same ability category, but the 4runner is definitely not touching the stock abilities of the Rubicon models.

Have you looked at the Xterra sales? Besides their first 4-5 years sales fell flat on their ass after 2008 (economy) and it never recovered. From then on until it died off it only reached 20k in sales one year, 2010. So no, it wasn't really a competitor in terms of sales. Whereas 4Runner sales gradually climbed as the economy recovered and exploded in 2014 after the refresh. Xterra sales continued to suck and there was no place in the market for it and I'm sure that made the decision to kill it very easy. The Xterra never ever outsold the 4Runner in any fiscal year of its existence so I'm not sure how you're so confident that it would definitely have sold more than the 4Runner with a refresh. Food for thought, Nissan still hasn't updated the Frontier in a very popular and rapid growing mid-size truck segment.

Xterra interior quality was better than the 4Runner? You gotta be shitting me on that. It looks and feels like an mid 2000's vehicle which is what it was even up until its last year. It didn't have better interior than the 4th gen 4runners either. Go look at a current Frontier and that's what the Xterra felt like. You're telling me that is better than a 5th gen 4Runner interior? LMFAO

For some reason the older things get or the more rare they are the better they are thought of. Nostalgia tends to make things seem better than what they really were. My guess is that very few people miss the Xterra. The numbers don't lie and Nissan saw that. The Xterra was a very good and capable vehicle but lets no make it out to be greater than what is really was/is.
 
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It interesting to look back at sales figures (I was lazy and went straight to Wikipedia which only goes back to the beginning of the 3rd gen) and see that the 4th gen outsold the 5th gen for the first seven years of each of their respective cycles, 560,000 4th gens to 478,000 5th gens. Of course the low sales figures for the 5th gen’s first 4 years could be blamed on the recession of 2009, and in it’s 8th year on sale (2017), the 5th gen 4Runner sold 128,296 units, second only to the 1997 3rd gen which sold 128,484. What’s even more interesting is that with only a 6 year run, the 3rd gen sales figures spanked both 4th and 5th gen, with the 5th gen only overtaking the 3rd gen sales total in this, it’s ninth year on the market.

Back in the mid to late 90’s, 3rd gen 4runners were as common as colds here in SoCal, but easy mods were limited to simple lift kits and larger wheels unless you wanted to chop it up, which of course no one wanted to do back when they were brand new off the lot. If I recall correctly, back then, the desert pre-runners were all the rage for city dwelling truck enthusiasts, whether it be a compact or full size, with the ass-to-the-ground-eyes-to-the-sky look, kinda how my old S-10 looked the first time I loaded a metric ton of decomposed granite from Home Depot. The Toyota truck (not the Tacoma yet) was of course the most commonly modified vehicle, but close to where I live, Rangers weren’t far behind. Maybe that trend was why Toyota started selling the “Pre-runner” Tacoma in the late 90’s.

Here in LA rice burners were (and still are) everywhere, and I’m fairly certain that’s where the lights-in-every-oriface trend trickled over, love it or hate it, to our beloved 4runners.

I guess my point is no one has to think back too far (unless you’re 20?) to remember a time when a certain “type” of vehicle became the hot ticket for modding and showing off. Or when a vehicle that was unique and built for a purpose became “popular” and started to become a little less unique and not used the way the manufacturer intended (GM Hummer H2?). But in reality, I don’t think Toyota really intended the 4Runner to come equipped with dual resi shocks and run like a banshee through our native deserts. Besides the crappy tires, I’m sure a stock 4Runner will get 98% of all buyers and 50% of all forum users (percentages admittedly pulled directly out of anus) where they need to go.

As many have pointed out, a very positive effect of the t4r craze is the multitude of choices we have when customizing the look of our vehicles. Never before have I ever seen so many radical customized accessories available for a single vehicle. It’s astounding. And it’s helping American artists/engineers live out their dream of building awesome gear for people who are genuinely excited about their work. Imagine how much happier everyone would be if they could make a living by doing what they love. I know almost every single piece of equipment I’ve bolted on to this very Japanese vehicle has been 100% American made.

Modding really has very little to do with where we need to go, and very much to do with where we want to go, and how we want to look along the way. I love the way my 4Runner looks with what I’ve installed. And I really love the way my 4Runner, rather effortlessly, performs where other vehicles I have driven would struggle.

What’s really nice, though, is that when I’m out in the middle of nowhere, whether it be Death Valley, Anza Berrego, up on Sherman Peak, or wheeling around Dinky Creek Wilderness, I don’t care how many “posers” there are cruising around down in the god forsaken cities of (insert state of residence here).

So maybe therein lies the key to happiness. Get the hell out of town and get out and start wheeling. Hopefully we’ll all stop caring about what “everyone” else is doing.
 
Prior to getting my 4R I had an Xterra and it was a nice vehicle but the 4R quality is lightyears ahead of Nissan. The “solidness” of the 4R is markedly better. RIP xterra- I don’t see myself owning a non-Toyota anytime soon.
 
The Xterra was a legit off-roader and I'm curious if they're considering bringing it back to snag their part of the off-road/overland craze. Or if they'll try to advertise the Armada more to that segment since so far they haven't pushed the Armada=Patrol angle.

It's an odd market right now, and it favors Toyota. In the US, I there's maybe three real competitors in the 2018 model year: the JKU, the Land Cruiser, and the Land Rover Discovery. Three competitors and one's another Toyota.

As was mentioned above, the 4Runner has enjoyed great sales numbers in every model year. I think we think we're seeing more of them than we really are.
 
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I have never owned a 4wd vehicle until now. Heck, I've never owned anything but sedans- Camrys and Corollas.

However, I wasn't drawn to the 4Runner because of it's "image", because it frankly doesn't have that much "bruh" factor in the minds of anyone that isn't already paying attention to 4Runners and their off road abilities.

When I decided to buy my 4R, it was due to the outstanding reliability, lack of "features" that are a pita to deal with (imo), utility for things like light towing/roof hauling, cargo room (ever try moving cross country in a Corolla?), higher clearances for everyday life, and yes... the ability to go up muddy, rutted roads in case I ever decided to move out in the sticks.
Having "sensible" vehicles actually precluded me from buying the type of property that I wanted to buy for years, so I was forced to give up many amazing deals on land plots because that land would have cost me the additional price of a new 4x4 to actually go to it. Now if I see a good deal, I can at least consider it!

After I already paid for my 4R, I started to look into how I could modify the truck for light off road duty, hauling, camping, etc. I had no idea how much of a following this truck had, though I knew that there were some heavily modded beasts- I just thought they were far and few between.
I also had no hint of just how capable this truck was in stock form, I only knew that this was a wise move logically and financially.

So, though I have no intention of taking duckface selfies of myself in front of it (hell- now I should just to post them here!) or covering it in chrome stick-on tribal decals, it could be argued that I bought this truck for purposes other than what some here think I should have. But look on the bright side, try-hards... I now want to actually go off pavement *because I now know that I can*.
And don't complain that "everyone else will have one" because so many accessories (bumpers sliders, wheels, light bars etc.) look damned near identical and you know it. Few people have a problem with this, because if IT WORKS, it's good... right? Apply the same logic to the buying decisions of others. They bought it, it makes things better for you by giving the market at the very least one more parts car at the junkyard (worst case?). So, IT WORKS. Don't overthink it, or you'll end up like my post, drawn out and not saying much (I need coffee). :infidel:

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I like the popularity to a certain extent. It is a good message to Toyota to not screw with success.

I bought the 4R because I needed a mid size SUV with more capability than grocery getting; and I needed absolute dead nuts reliability.

There is nothing in the market that can do these besides 4runner.
 
Have you looked at the Xterra sales? Besides their first 4-5 years sales fell flat on their ass after 2008 (economy) and it never recovered. From then on until it died off it only reached 20k in sales one year, 2010. So no, it wasn't really a competitor in terms of sales. Whereas 4Runner sales gradually climbed as the economy recovered and exploded in 2014 after the refresh. Xterra sales continued to suck and there was no place in the market for it and I'm sure that made the decision to kill it very easy. The Xterra never ever outsold the 4Runner in any fiscal year of its existence so I'm not sure how you're so confident that it would definitely have sold more than the 4Runner with a refresh. Food for thought, Nissan still hasn't updated the Frontier in a very popular and rapid growing mid-size truck segment.

Xterra interior quality was better than the 4Runner? You gotta be shitting me on that. It looks and feels like an mid 2000's vehicle which is what it was even up until its last year. It didn't have better interior than the 4th gen 4runners either. Go look at a current Frontier and that's what the Xterra felt like. You're telling me that is better than a 5th gen 4Runner interior? LMFAO

For some reason the older things get or the more rare they are the better they are thought of. Nostalgia tends to make things seem better than what they really were. My guess is that very few people miss the Xterra. The numbers don't lie and Nissan saw that. The Xterra was a very good and capable vehicle but lets no make it out to be greater than what is really was/is.

You don't have to sell as many of an item to be a competitor. The Xterra took a chunk of sales that would have otherwise gone to the 4runner. I never said they would've sold more than the 4runner. They would've sold more Xterras than they had been selling. Just because sales weren't great doesn't mean it wasn't a great vehicle. People bought it because it was offered in a manual trans, was highly off-road capable stock, had lots of front seat room (including headroom), and bare bones. I drove light blue trails when I was stock on highway tires. It was a direct competitor with the FJ at the time.

I guess it is perception of what you use your vehicle for.
 
RE Overland Expos...

My thoughts are a significant portion of those in attendance have good amount of disposable income. They are able to outfit their vehicle with the things they watch on utube and the likes. Going out into the middle of nowhere to camp and be in nature can be a nerveracking scenario for some people. Even with capable vehicle. So i think going to the expo and doing "it" is rather safe... given the amount of people in the area that can help out if something happens. I know some people have throw tons of cash at their 4Runner.. and only go to Expos. Nothing wrong with that. Same as some that have dropped 15k into the truck so they can get to their favorite fishing spot.


We all do what we like. No one has put a gun to my head to do or not do things. Some may do thing you dont like.. cool thing is that its their rig...their money.. their fun.
 
RE Overland Expos...

My thoughts are a significant portion of those in attendance have good amount of disposable income. They are able to outfit their vehicle with the things they watch on utube and the likes. Going out into the middle of nowhere to camp and be in nature can be a nerveracking scenario for some people. Even with capable vehicle. So i think going to the expo and doing "it" is rather safe... given the amount of people in the area that can help out if something happens. I know some people have throw tons of cash at their 4Runner.. and only go to Expos. Nothing wrong with that. Same as some that have dropped 15k into the truck so they can get to their favorite fishing spot.


We all do what we like. No one has put a gun to my head to do or not do things. Some may do thing you dont like.. cool thing is that its their rig...their money.. their fun.

I went to Overland Expo West this year and had a good time. I'll do it again next year. Was the camping experience fun? Not really. It was just a dusty crowded fair ground. However on the way there I was able to camp on some BLM land outside of Lake Powell. No one was around. Do yourself a favor and don't camp at Lone Rock at Lake Powell. That place is a zoo. On the way back we camped somewhere along Cottonwood Canyon Rd around Paria. Again, no one was around. The beauty of Utah is that there is a lot of BLM land to go camping without anybody around and sometimes you need 4x4 to get there.

I went to OE moreso to see the products and vendors. Most expensive thing I bought there was the Adventure Skottle and its neat to see upcoming products especially if you're interested in it. There are classes and educational stuff you can do too which can be helpful. There's also areas where you can ask guides on best routes and stuff. So there's definitely some things you can gain & learn by going.

That being said some people go there for the social aspect, not really my thing. Its really kinda funny (and sad) to see people suck up to some Youtube personality like they are a Hollywood celebrity. The whole I have a 4Runner you have a 4Runner lets be friends thing is kind of lame. I even heard someone go up to one of them and say "hey are you *****, we're facebook friends..." LOL. I went there to have a good time with my two friends and check out some gear/rigs and had a great time. I didn't go there to make Instagram friends because we have the same vehicle.
 
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I think it all comes down to perspective. Personally-I’m not better than anyone, nor am I the 4Runner Police. It’s not my job to decide who is worthy of their 4R, and if their daily use is appropriate or if they are a dipshit. Not everyone shares this belief, and you can often see sniping where one persons way is the only way to be. A recent example is on a roof rack discussion where someone dared to inquire about diminished MPG after adding mods. Some members shat upon him and told him if he cared about MPG he should have gotten a Prius, etc. Having the perspective of being a 4R owner who only has this one vehicle, MPG does, indeed play a factor in what I will and won’t do to the vehicle, so I got OP’s point.

All this is to say-life is super duper short. Do what you want with your vehicle. Scrape the shit out of it daily on trails, or lovingly care for it and get it to 300K (my plan). No wrong or right way to do it-just don’t be a dick, cus ain’t nobody got time for dat.

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