Is the WT-I V8 Worth the Wait?
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Northof49 said:No dyno needed, WHEN I get an 05 V8 I'll line er up with the 03 and we'll put this all to rest. Heck, I'll throw a 6 banger into the mix just for kicks
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dyno is the only way to go, it takes the driver out of the mix. That way your slow reflexes wouldn't effect the outcome
Luxury
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I haven't followed all the new V8 drama completely.....so I don't know if someone has already posted when they will be available. And this thread seems to be the most recent, so I mention what I learned here. I talked to a friend that is with toyo corporate and he said that the new 4runner V8's should be showing up at the end of December across the nation. West coast should be first though. I think he said they were only going to start building those this month. Hope this helps.......at least maybe as backup to what you'll already know. Good luck with the new purchases.
Smaller (local) dealerships seem to now be out of the 2004 V8s. At the same time, larger dealerships are getting a larger inventory of 2004 V8s (I check often). I take this to mean that they are being moved to the large dealerships to get them to move faster. Good news.
One local dealer lists 2005 V8s on their website right now. They have three listed - black, white, and red. I dropped by the dealer, but my "contact" wasn't there and the salesmen didn't know anything. I have an email into the guy I've been talking to to see what's up. Hopefully this is more good news.
BTW, I won't tell you the dealership so don't bother asking. At least not until after I buy one for myself.
One local dealer lists 2005 V8s on their website right now. They have three listed - black, white, and red. I dropped by the dealer, but my "contact" wasn't there and the salesmen didn't know anything. I have an email into the guy I've been talking to to see what's up. Hopefully this is more good news.
BTW, I won't tell you the dealership so don't bother asking. At least not until after I buy one for myself.
Koz
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Duc Hunter,
"Toyo, agreed! The V6's, EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM, has had massive problems, including the 4.0. I think Toyota needs to not build V6's, they have a mental block against them. "
I have 98 PreRunner 3.4 V6 with the TRD blower that has about 80K VERY hard miles. It's really hard to believe there is massive problems with these engines, since I've been beating mine since new. I'm talking Mr. Lead Foot himself. NOT ONE BIT OF TROUBLE!
Koz
"Toyo, agreed! The V6's, EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM, has had massive problems, including the 4.0. I think Toyota needs to not build V6's, they have a mental block against them. "
I have 98 PreRunner 3.4 V6 with the TRD blower that has about 80K VERY hard miles. It's really hard to believe there is massive problems with these engines, since I've been beating mine since new. I'm talking Mr. Lead Foot himself. NOT ONE BIT OF TROUBLE!
Koz
boston_kevin
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V6 problems?
Duc Hunter - I respectfully disagree with this statement about the V6's having problems...
"Toyo, agreed! The V6's, EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM, has had massive problems, including the 4.0. I think Toyota needs to not build V6's, they have a mental block against them. "
The 4.0 had only one minor complaint against it the first year it was introduced. If the 4.0 V6 had so many problems, do you honestly think Toyota would be so stupid as to use it as the "ADRENALINE" factor selling point to increase their Tacoma sales? So if the new V8 has problems do we also declare that every single one of the V8's has massive problems?
Honestly now... Toyota has only produced 1 V8 engine that has served very well. The V6's were always underpowered, butextremely reliable, and now on the 3rd generation of the V6 on the 4Runner (I believe it's the 3rd V6), they have done a fabulous job. It's not a hard core offroader engine, nor is is a power tow/haul engine, but a truck that is this big and gets 23+ MPG and borders on ULEV is substantial. Most people who tow large trailers prefer larger trucks to better control the vehicle and the load being towed. And any hard-core offroader will tell you that a stock vehicle has to be modified if you want a reliable hard-core offroad vehicle.
I think Toyota did a great job of positioning the V6 and the V8 in this truck, and it really comes down to what you want the truck for.
If you drive more than 300 miles per week and have a phobia about putting $50 per week in the tank, the V6 would be a great choice. If you are towing heavy loads, or just want that extra "ADRENALINE" factor, or the convenience of AWD and the gas $$ is not a factor, the V8 would be a great choice.
Personally, I would have loved the V8, but the price I got on the V6 and the ability to tow my 4500 lb boat with 6 people in the car (on occasion) and get 23 MPG during the week (commuting alone) sold me. I have no regrets about the V6 whatsoever.
As for resale, yea, the '05 should be worth more if you sell it after 5-6 years, but if you keep it more than 8 years, the benefit is negligible.
Duc Hunter - I respectfully disagree with this statement about the V6's having problems...
"Toyo, agreed! The V6's, EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM, has had massive problems, including the 4.0. I think Toyota needs to not build V6's, they have a mental block against them. "
The 4.0 had only one minor complaint against it the first year it was introduced. If the 4.0 V6 had so many problems, do you honestly think Toyota would be so stupid as to use it as the "ADRENALINE" factor selling point to increase their Tacoma sales? So if the new V8 has problems do we also declare that every single one of the V8's has massive problems?
Honestly now... Toyota has only produced 1 V8 engine that has served very well. The V6's were always underpowered, butextremely reliable, and now on the 3rd generation of the V6 on the 4Runner (I believe it's the 3rd V6), they have done a fabulous job. It's not a hard core offroader engine, nor is is a power tow/haul engine, but a truck that is this big and gets 23+ MPG and borders on ULEV is substantial. Most people who tow large trailers prefer larger trucks to better control the vehicle and the load being towed. And any hard-core offroader will tell you that a stock vehicle has to be modified if you want a reliable hard-core offroad vehicle.
I think Toyota did a great job of positioning the V6 and the V8 in this truck, and it really comes down to what you want the truck for.
If you drive more than 300 miles per week and have a phobia about putting $50 per week in the tank, the V6 would be a great choice. If you are towing heavy loads, or just want that extra "ADRENALINE" factor, or the convenience of AWD and the gas $$ is not a factor, the V8 would be a great choice.
Personally, I would have loved the V8, but the price I got on the V6 and the ability to tow my 4500 lb boat with 6 people in the car (on occasion) and get 23 MPG during the week (commuting alone) sold me. I have no regrets about the V6 whatsoever.
As for resale, yea, the '05 should be worth more if you sell it after 5-6 years, but if you keep it more than 8 years, the benefit is negligible.
boston_kevin
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Yea, having 2 less cylinders and the part-time 2WD is great for gas mileage (has to be some advantage, right?). If I kept it closer to 65 (rather than 75-80) it would be better... The first time I punched the gas at 60 and it shot to 80 I got addicted 
(one of these days I have to time it) Now if I could just get the mileage that little trip computer says... (average 25.5)
(one of these days I have to time it) Now if I could just get the mileage that little trip computer says... (average 25.5)boston_kevin said:Yea, having 2 less cylinders and the part-time 2WD is great for gas mileage (has to be some advantage, right?). If I kept it closer to 65 (rather than 75-80) it would be better... The first time I punched the gas at 60 and it shot to 80 I got addicted
I hear you, my little mpg computer stays at 19.3
Duc Hunter
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My trip usually shows around 36. My parents BMW was around 34mph. That is normal as that is about the national average for driving. Reset it and take a trip, it will show radically different. That is really what it is meant for. I am driving to San Diego today (from San Francisco) and plan on resetting it. It will show much higher than 34 mph.
2005 V8's Almost Here
Some time ago I contacted 5 Toyota dealers in the NW Chicago suburban area and e-mailed them a list of the 2005 Limited V8 and options I wanted. I also instructed the dealers that when costs became available I wanted them to e-mail me a list of the vehicle and option by option invoice costs along with the dealers bottom cost to me. The internet sales cordinator of Arlington Toyota, Joe Web, has done a decent job of earning my buisness so far. He has e-mailed me a few times to keep in touch and he mailed me a 2005 brouchure (asked all 5 dealerships to mail me a brochure and only Joe did). Today I received an e-mail from Joe saying the following:
"I want to thank you for your patience. Toyota just released their first production schedule for the V8 2005 4Runner. This means the pricing should be released in one week's time. As soon as I have it, I will do the research and send on the pricing to you. You will hear from me again soon".
I hope he's right. I'm looking forward to getting prices and getting runner on order. Needless to say I e-mailed Joe back and asked for more details on the production schedule. I will post anything he e-mails me on the production schedule.
Some time ago I contacted 5 Toyota dealers in the NW Chicago suburban area and e-mailed them a list of the 2005 Limited V8 and options I wanted. I also instructed the dealers that when costs became available I wanted them to e-mail me a list of the vehicle and option by option invoice costs along with the dealers bottom cost to me. The internet sales cordinator of Arlington Toyota, Joe Web, has done a decent job of earning my buisness so far. He has e-mailed me a few times to keep in touch and he mailed me a 2005 brouchure (asked all 5 dealerships to mail me a brochure and only Joe did). Today I received an e-mail from Joe saying the following:
"I want to thank you for your patience. Toyota just released their first production schedule for the V8 2005 4Runner. This means the pricing should be released in one week's time. As soon as I have it, I will do the research and send on the pricing to you. You will hear from me again soon".
I hope he's right. I'm looking forward to getting prices and getting runner on order. Needless to say I e-mailed Joe back and asked for more details on the production schedule. I will post anything he e-mails me on the production schedule.
Luxury
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I believe it. I was down at the docks about 2.5 weeks ago and saw that amazing boat with tons of V8 4runners streaming out. I really wasn't able to figure out if they were '05s or '04s. They were flying by....as we were driving the other way.....and all I really had time to spot was the V8 symbols. I tried to snap some quick photos so that I could determine what year they were by the trim colors. Here is a horrible pic, but I think it shows that it is a Sport V8 w/ black runners and silver racks. I don't have time to go look to see if that corresponds with an 04 or 05, but I'm sure one of you'll look it up.Faeylyn said:
