Its a joke fellas. Remember we are all sitting at our computers typing at each other not getting ready to throw down at a bar
KDSS Long term reliability?
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Its a joke fellas. Remember we are all sitting at our computers typing at each other not getting ready to throw down at a bar
Thai
Elite Member
I think so...since i am one of two creators of this forum.
You should also know that jokes do not convey well thru the computer screen. FYI.
Bevo
New member
Which is why you were brave enough to call the guy a "tool".
BLACK-FL4RUNNER
Member
Just so you know....
The jeep is a front only, electronic disconnect system. It is also one of the first thing that fails, and gets thrown in the scrap pile and replaced with an aftermarket system.
The KDSS is a front and rear hydraulic disconnect system, that has been around for a long time with little to no failures.
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The jeep is a front only, electronic disconnect system. It is also one of the first thing that fails, and gets thrown in the scrap pile and replaced with an aftermarket system.
The KDSS is a front and rear hydraulic disconnect system, that has been around for a long time with little to no failures.
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Greenamphibious
Banned
It Discos?
Thai
Elite Member
The Rubi's front disco fails? Can you give me a link? (Honest question.)
But, here's the thing...the rear axle on the Rubi is very flexy...thus, despite disco is only on the front axle, its RTI is CLASS-LEADING, bar none (stock vs. stock).
Intruder
New member
Yeah, I've heard this from more than one Rubi owner. They say sometimes all it takes is a small hit around the front bumper to cause it to fail.
1engineer
Moderator
A simplified KDSS could work very will without accumulators. Yes they do build in some shock absorbing to the system, but that's not necessary for a very functional sway control system.
Yes. Snowplows in a single day of plowing cycle many many more times than a KDSS cylinder on a typical day. If you measured the flow of fluid in both systems, the snow plow would have orders of magnitude greater hydraulic fluid movement. Most of the time (over 12mph) KDSS doesn't cycle at all or extremely little. And the point is really that synthetic hydraulic fluid is unnecessary. Lots of hydraulic systems operate at -30* to 130* with regular dino based hydraulic fluids without issue.
The KDSS fluid doesn't get hot because it doesn't cycle very much. Next time you're on a bumpy road, stop and feel the cylinders. They won't warm up meaningfully because the whole idea of shock absorbing shown in the kdss video mostly nonsense. If it actually made a meaningful difference you'd need to use different shock absorbers for each side and probably different springs as well because the effect on left and right sides would be different due to the leverage differences.
Look, I'm not going to argue with you on a public forum about this. I will say the video is not nonsense, Nitrogen is needed in accumulators, snow plows use more oil but less cycles, no hydraulic system using an ISO68 dino fluid will operate the same at -30 to +130 and the guys who designed KDSS probably know a bit more than you about hydraulic systems. Let me know when you build one for $500 that can work like the OEM system.
Greenamphibious
Banned
the only failures I have ever heard of is when they get smacked and then water gets in them... aside from that they are pretty reliable. A lot of people opt for the EVO mod
Intruder
New member
Just type "rubicon front sway bar disconnect fail" or "rubicon electro-fail" (yes, they even have a name for it) into the google and you'll get plenty of links.
Thai
Elite Member
If we had been sitting down at a bar and he told me the only good 4Runner is a stock 4Runner, go buy a jeep. I'd have told him he was a tool right to his face.
Thai
Elite Member
Then, i would smack you back for drinking too damn much to understand what i was saying...and walk away shaking my head in disbelief at the ignorance of some people.
BLACK-FL4RUNNER
Member
They always fail on jeep owners that actually go offroad with their rubicons.
The motor hangs below the bumper with no protection. One hit and done.
They also get water inside, causing electrical and mechanical failure.
The motor hangs below the bumper with no protection. One hit and done.
They also get water inside, causing electrical and mechanical failure.
Thai
Elite Member
Don't they sell a skidplate for that as a Jeep accessory? I could swear that they did...but i am outdated.
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Greenamphibious
Banned
Greenamphibious
Banned
yes and there are many hardcore wheelers running the elctric disco still
