BLACK-FL4RUNNER
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Hydraulic Disconnect System....
How else would you generally describe it without going into great detail?
KDSS Long term reliability?
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Hydraulic Disconnect System....
How else would you generally describe it without going into great detail?
BLACK-FL4RUNNER
Member
They sell skid plates for everything! hahah
But, I thought we were going stock for stock comparison?
Greenamphibious
Banned
Im not trying to describe it I am asking if it actually disconnects the swaybars....
Jetboy
New member
The Jeep system does actually disconnect the front sway bar in the center. It uses a sliding collar on a splined swaybar to disconnect the FRONT sway bar. I believe the rear is fixed.
The inside looks like this:
I know very little else about it - except that it's not hydraulic.
So I was waking to my 4Runner the other day and a Jeep guy was parked 2 spots over from me. His Jeep was modded to the 10th degree and it looked like he could literally climb up Mt. Olympus. I was 99% sure he never took that thing off the road so I asked him if he bought the Jeep with the KDSS system pre-installed. He said "oh yeah, I got everything for this bad boy".........I just smiled and walked away.
Intruder
New member
Those sound like unicorns that will break in 10 years and nobody will be able to fix. Best not to buy them.
Thai
Elite Member
So, in your engineering opinion, Toyota engineers made KDSS complex for no freaking reason...and that much simpler/cheaper ways could have been taken? Toyota engineers are not as smart as snowplow folks?
I don't know...if you believe that, then the rest of the 4runner must be junk! Yikes. Do snowplow engineers make SUVs? I want one!
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1engineer
Moderator
Logsplitter guys>snowplow guys>Toyota hydraulic systems engineering guys.
Swarty
New member
RTI of stock trail with KDSS vs Rubicon vs lancruiser
Well... The landcruiser doesn't quite flex more but the performance of KDSS with IFS on the fast bits more then compensates.
A stock 4runner with KDSS: 491
Rubicon unlimited disco: 687
Rubicon unlimited no disco: 518
landcruiser (KDSS is std): 647
On another note just doing front coilovers and UCAs on my KDSS Trail took my RTI to about 570. I'd guess that a rear lift would easily take me into the mid to high 6s and an LT would be damn close to the 700s.
Sources:
Trail RTI
Chart at bottom of page
Well... The landcruiser doesn't quite flex more but the performance of KDSS with IFS on the fast bits more then compensates.
A stock 4runner with KDSS: 491
Rubicon unlimited disco: 687
Rubicon unlimited no disco: 518
landcruiser (KDSS is std): 647
On another note just doing front coilovers and UCAs on my KDSS Trail took my RTI to about 570. I'd guess that a rear lift would easily take me into the mid to high 6s and an LT would be damn close to the 700s.
Sources:
Trail RTI
Chart at bottom of page
Jetboy
New member
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KDSS is better then the jeep sway bar disconnect for a variety of reasons. A pure disconnect is either on or off. It does nothing to assist in body control in higher flex scenarios. Put 500lbs of gear on your roof rack and go through a curvy off camber road, and KDSS will show it's true beauty. The regular disconnects simply can't do that.
BTW - Do you have any experience outside of the internet? Have you ever engineered or manufactured anything? If you want to see one product that you can probably find near you to see what "snowplow engineers" make, go to any hay/alfalfa farm. If you find one of these, it's what "snowplow engineers" make and it probably was built by my family.
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Greenamphibious
Banned
not the Jeep.... I am very fluent in Jeep. The guy said KDSS disconnects and I was asking if it actually doesThe Jeep system does actually disconnect the front sway bar in the center. It uses a sliding collar on a splined swaybar to disconnect the FRONT sway bar. I believe the rear is fixed.
The inside looks like this:
I know very little else about it - except that it's not hydraulic.
BLACK-FL4RUNNER
Member
I would consider the hydraulics of the KDSS system to be a form of disconnection.
If not, please explain or move along.
If not, please explain or move along.
Thai
Elite Member
I have no idea why you wrote the first paragraph. Was that intended for someone else?
But the rest of it...again, you have NOT answered my questions. Wonderful, you and family makes snowplow stuff or farm stuff...you have not answered my questions.
1engineer
Moderator
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KDSS is better then the jeep sway bar disconnect for a variety of reasons. A pure disconnect is either on or off. It does nothing to assist in body control in higher flex scenarios. Put 500lbs of gear on your roof rack and go through a curvy off camber road, and KDSS will show it's true beauty. The regular disconnects simply can't do that.
BTW - Do you have any experience outside of the internet? Have you ever engineered or manufactured anything? If you want to see one product that you can probably find near you to see what "snowplow engineers" make, go to any hay/alfalfa farm. If you find one of these, it's what "snowplow engineers" make and it probably was built by my family.And I can promise you the automated hydraulics far exceeds what KDSS does.
And FWIW, I am smarter than you. That I don't know if we need to debate.
Um, I have a bit of experience in hydraulics and you've already shown you know very little when it comes to that subject. An Ag machine? Really?
Jetboy
New member
I have a degree in physics. Hydraulic pressure is pretty basic stuff. Automating a self steering trailer isn't as easy as you might think.
Let's see some samples of your work.
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I think this is the best video ive seen arguing for kdss.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06t-iOPEFNE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06t-iOPEFNE
Greenamphibious
Banned
Are you bipolar? You said it discos I asked if it actually does.... not a do you consider hydraulics a form of disconnection. if you don't know it's all good
