List of Customizations That The Dealer Can Program for 2010 T4R

[FactoryRide]

I think the short answer to your question is NO.

The Motor Vehicle Safety Act's "make inoperative" provision (49 USC 30122(b)) prohibits manufacturers, distributors, dealers, or motor vehicle repair businesses from knowingly making inoperative, in whole or in part, any part of a device or element of design installed on or in a motor vehicle in compliance with an applicable motor vehicle safety standard.

If curious, see this 2011 letter from the NHTSB:
https://lesschwab.com/content_files/TPMS_letter.pdf

Here are two interesting responses found in the letter to questions from the Tire Industry Association:

[TIRE INDUSTRY ASSOC.] "Scenario #1: If a motorist is made aware of an inoperative TPMS sensor and declines to purchase a new one, does the service provider knowingly make the system inoperative and violate 49 USC 30122(b) by removing the dead or damaged sensor and replacing it with a standard snap-in rubber valve stem?"

[NHTSB] "Our response: For the purpose of this response, we assume that you are referring solely to TPMS sensors that are integrated with the valve stem. Moreover, we assume that the sensor was inoperative before a customer brought the vehicle to the repair business. An illuminated malfunction indicator lamp could be an indication of an inoperative sensor. We also assume that you are describing a part within the TPMS system that cannot be repaired. In that event, a motor vehicle repair business would not be violating 49 USC 30122(b) by removing an inoperative or damaged TPMS sensor and replacing it with a standard snap-in rubber valve stem. The removal of a malfunctioning TPMS sensor that is integrated with a valve stem would not violate the "make inoperative" provision because the element of the system was already inoperative. However, a motor vehicle repair business that goes on to make any other element of the TPMS system inoperative, for example, by disabling the malfunction indicator lamp, would violate the "make inoperative" provision."

[TIRE INDUSTRY ASSOC.] "Scenario #2: If a motorist purchases a set of aftermarket winter tires and wheels and declines to purchase new TPMS sensors, does the service provider violate 49 USC 30122(b) because they would be installing assemblies that knowingly make the system inoperative?"

[NHTSB] "Our response: In this scenario, we assume that the vehicle has a functioning TPMS system at the time he or she purchases aftermarket tires and wheels. In that case, a service provider would violate the "make inoperative" prohibition of 49 USC 30122(b) by installing new tires and wheels that do not have a functioning TPMS system. To avoid a "make inoperative" violation, the service provider would need to decline to install the new tires and rims, use the TPMS sensor from the original wheels (if they are compatible), or convince the motorist to purchase new TPMS sensors and ensure that the sensors are properly integrated with the vehicle's TPMS system."

Thank you for that!

Dude- I had an extra sensor that i had in Corpus- You should have said something and i would have given it to you.

I wish I would have known!

Just look on Ebay!toyota tpms 107j | eBay
The ones that fit our trucks are PMV-107J and are made by Pacific and are used on at least 30 different vehicles so there are plenty out there .I think they get them out of totaled vehicles as alot out there. It's crazy that there is such a mark up from the dealerships on these things. Or you can just add "new TPMS 107J" to the ebay search and find brand new ones for just a little more.

The set I have now I bought on Ebay and have worked perfect for the last 4 years as I still have my original set in my shed out back away from my truck so they don't transmit. I had two sets of wheels for awhile and took them back out when I sold the wheels.

I think I read the batteries in them that transmit are supposed to last 7-10 years and I don't believe the batteries are user replaceable .

As far as programming them into my TPMS ECU ,Discount Tire has always done mine for free and takes all of 2 minutes with a Bartek tool .

My current tire shop doesn't have the tool to program it and Toyota charges out the ass to reprogram it. I'll check that link. Thank you!!

 

[Victor_inox]

Someone should know if we can reprogram TPMS with TIS software .

What is procedure when replacing sensors? Say one wheel sensor died.

 

[Elcajon]

I just got back from the dealer today and they claimed it was against the law in Virginia to turn off the seatbelt alarm - due to Virginia's annual safety inspection checklist - they said I would "fail" inspection if it was disabled. However i did get a few other goodies programmed for free

what else did you ask them to program?

I am compiling a list for them to do before I take delivery of the car.

Thanks.

 

[whiteblazer01]

Can someone post a new list? the linked PDF no longer work.

 

[SnrDisregardo]

Thanks! I will have a list ready when I get the 5k service done.

 

[SnrDisregardo]

Just to let you guys know, I have a 2016 base Trail and I was at the dealer and asked them to do the unlock/all windows down and to change the delay on the rear wiper. They didn't know anything about it. I said I read it in the owners manual. They called back and said that they found it in the computer, but my truck wasn't able to accept the new options. I don't know if it is something with that dealer or some are able to accept the new options and some are not.

 

[Foques]

That's bs. Dealer just didn't know how to do that

 

[dsimonl]

Spare youself the hassle of going to the dealer and just get an app like Carista and a cheap OBD2 dongle and do it youself. I reprogrammed everything above (except for the rear wiper delay - didn't see that) and am very pleased. Do a search for Carista for more info.

 

[cyclist]

Can someone post a new list? the linked PDF no longer work.

Link from post 1 works for me as of this am.

 

[4runforfun]

What do you do if the two dealers in your area have no clue what you're talking about when you bring this up? I spoke with salesmen and shop managers, anyone I should target specifically?

Honestly I am surprised [MENTION=66316]1engineer[/MENTION], [MENTION=65614]Antman[/MENTION] and a few others haven't created a backdoor way to program this yet!!!

 

[mcarey86]

You don't need to create a backdoor way to program anything.

Buy the cable and get the TIS Techstream software and then do it yourself.

Little bit of googling will go a long way.

 

[meltdown]

There's also the Carista app.

 

[05Rrunner]

I had the dealer do mine when I picked up my new trail. Took all of 5 minutes . I had the seatbelt chimes on the driver and pass turned off.

 

[Orbital Debris]

What do you do if the two dealers in your area have no clue what you're talking about when you bring this up? I spoke with salesmen and shop managers, anyone I should target specifically?

Honestly I am surprised [MENTION=66316]1engineer[/MENTION], [MENTION=65614]Antman[/MENTION] and a few others haven't created a backdoor way to program this yet!!!

Go to this website, and download the manual for the 2016. The customization section is detailed in 8-2, page 485. Print and hand to the clueless salesman. I sent a pdf to my salesman. The shop manager figured out how to do it, but tried to charge an hour of shop time (95$). I harassed them enough until the salesman decided to eat the charge.
http://www.toyota.com/t3Portal/document/om-s/OM35B23U/pdf/OM35B23U.pdf

 

[dsimonl]

2nd the Carista app. I used it again this last weekend to change the volume of the lock/unlock beep. Easy to use and cheap. Maybe not as useful as the TIS system, but you don't need a PC (for us Mac users)

 

[demazza]

Carista not setting all options

I bought the Carista OBD module and App.... bought the in app upgrade to set options and.... not quite working as expected. I have a 2016 Trail Prem... tried to setup for the remote fob button push/hold to open all windows/sunroof/rear window and it JUST opens the side windows.... any thoughts/suggestions?

Similar experiences?

Thanks!

Dave

 

[Randyman...]

Have you tried letting the windows go almost all the way down, and then keep holding the "Unlock" button on the fob? The sunroof on mine seems to only start opening once the front/rear windows are almost all the way down.

Fronts seem to start rolling down first. Rears then begin about 2 seconds later. Then Sunroof begins about 2 more seconds later. So you need to keep the fob pressed for at least 6-8 seconds to get the sunroof to open on mine (total of like 10-12 seconds to get all windows open)...

 

[demazza]

Have you tried letting the windows go almost all the way down, and then keep holding the "Unlock" button on the fob? The sunroof on mine seems to only start opening once the front/rear windows are almost all the way down.

Fronts seem to start rolling down first. Rears then begin about 2 seconds later. Then Sunroof begins about 2 more seconds later. So you need to keep the fob pressed for at least 6-8 seconds to get the sunroof to open on mine (total of like 10-12 seconds to get all windows open)...

Thanks for the response Randyman! I just went down and tried hold for several seconds past when the windows were down.... nothing.

It may be a 2016 issue... not sure.

Dave

 

[Ohio_Steve]

Thanks for the response Randyman! I just went down and tried hold for several seconds past when the windows were down.... nothing.

It may be a 2016 issue... not sure.

Dave

I just did my 2016 TEP with the Carista app on Saturday, and it too only did the side windows.

 

[Brandon_Reed]

My 2016 TEP does all 4 plus the moon roof from the remote so it's not a model year issue.

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