Longer extended wheel studs

[Twisted Sid]

Today, I had to replace a few wheel studs on the front of my 4runner because the lug nuts seized and I had to snap them off. I didn't like how little of the threads the lug nuts caught after I switched to aftermarket wheels so, i went to napa and the counter guy did a little digging and found part number 641-2196. They are the same thread and knurl size as the stock front studs but they are about 1/4'' longer. It might not seem like much but they almost doubled how much thread the lug nuts grabbed. These only work on the front hubs because the rear has a smaller size knurl.
Anyone happen to know of a stud that fits the rear but are a little longer? I searched a little bit earlier today but didn't find a lot of info for longer rear studs.

 

[A.Wilson013]

These only work on the front hubs because the rear has a smaller size knurl.

Are you sure of this? I feel like I remember folks running the rear studs on the front because they're around 1/4" longer for whatever reason.

I know a lot of guys on Tacomaworld run longer studs. May want to try searching over there? I remember mention of the Lexus IS300 wheel studs being used.



****edit- you're right the knurl size on the rear is longer, but the diameter is the same. Is the knurl length that important? The ones for the IS300 have a different knurl length and folks are running them...****

 

[Scramble]

Today, I had to replace a few wheel studs on the front of my 4runner because the lug nuts seized and I had to snap them off. I didn't like how little of the threads the lug nuts caught after I switched to aftermarket wheels so, i went to napa and the counter guy did a little digging and found part number 641-2196. They are the same thread and knurl size as the stock front studs but they are about 1/4'' longer. It might not seem like much but they almost doubled how much thread the lug nuts grabbed. These only work on the front hubs because the rear has a smaller size knurl.
Anyone happen to know of a stud that fits the rear but are a little longer? I searched a little bit earlier today but didn't find a lot of info for longer rear studs.

I'm running ARP studs for Lexus at all 4 corners. Dont buy Dorman or any other aftermarket crap if you're going to be wheelin'. Toyota or ARP only.

Amazon.com: ARP 1007715 Wheel Stud Kit for Lexus: Automotive

 

[Twisted Sid]

Are you sure of this? I feel like I remember folks running the rear studs on the front because they're around 1/4" longer for whatever reason.

I know a lot of guys on Tacomaworld run longer studs. May want to try searching over there? I remember mention of the Lexus IS300 wheel studs being used.



****edit- you're right the knurl size on the rear is longer, but the diameter is the same. Is the knurl length that important? The ones for the IS300 have a different knurl length and folks are running them...****

Sure of it, no, I had the guy at napa pull a rear stud from the shelf that was listed for the 4runner but the knurl was smaller in dia. Didn't try one from a tacoma though.

I'm running ARP studs for Lexus at all 4 corners. Dont buy Dorman or any other aftermarket crap if you're going to be wheelin'. Toyota or ARP only.

Amazon.com: ARP 1007715 Wheel Stud Kit for Lexus: Automotive

I should have added in this first post, I know about the ARP studs but they are way overkill and far to expansive for this application.
This is a daily driver 2wd 4unner. No wheeling will be had in this thing. I have a truck for that.
If you look at the pic I posted, these are not china made dorman crap.

 

[JayRolla]

Sure of it, no, I had the guy at napa pull a rear stud from the shelf that was listed for the 4runner but the knurl was smaller in dia. Didn't try one from a tacoma though.



I should have added in this first post, I know about the ARP studs but they are way overkill and far to expansive for this application.
This is a daily driver 2wd 4unner. No wheeling will be had in this thing. I have a truck for that.
If you look at the pic I posted, these are not china made dorman crap.

I've used these cheap studs on previous vehicles. Be ready for these you snap very quickly. How you drive doesn't matter. They are cheap auto stores that will fail in a year or so. Believe me I know. Learned the hard way.

 

[Twisted Sid]

I've used these cheap studs on previous vehicles. Be ready for these you snap very quickly. How you drive doesn't matter. They are cheap auto stores that will fail in a year or so. Believe me I know. Learned the hard way.

Thanks, IF that happens, I'll be sure to update this thread. :thumb:
I've used napa studs in the past on other vehicles and didn't have any problems. Maybe you over torqued the ones you used.

 

[GaRunner86]

i know youre already replacing studs with longer ones, but have you looked for some "ET" lug nuts that are the same style as what you have. They might help you get a little more thread engagement. I guess it depends on your wheels and lugs. I got some because i needed to run a 1/4 spacer temporarily, but after looking at how much thicker the aftermarket wheel mounting surface was, i really needed the ET style to start with.
I'm lazy so if you dont know what im talking about, just give ET lug nuts a quick Gooogle search.

 

[Twisted Sid]

i know youre already replacing studs with longer ones, but have you looked for some "ET" lug nuts that are the same style as what you have. They might help you get a little more thread engagement. I guess it depends on your wheels and lugs. I got some because i needed to run a 1/4 spacer temporarily, but after looking at how much thicker the aftermarket wheel mounting surface was, i really needed the ET style to start with.
I'm lazy so if you dont know what im talking about, just give ET lug nuts a quick Gooogle search.

Tired them first before getting the longer studs. They wont fit into the lug holes on the wheels.

 

[JayRolla]

Thanks, IF that happens, I'll be sure to update this thread. :thumb:
I've used napa studs in the past on other vehicles and didn't have any problems. Maybe you over torqued the ones you used.

I would not think so. And if true than they still are bad because I tq my OEMS and they never fail.

 

[GaRunner86]

Tired them first before getting the longer studs. They wont fit into the lug holes on the wheels.

Well that sucks. I figured that might be an issue. They were a pretty tight fit for me, but i like em like that

 

[Scramble]

Sure of it, no, I had the guy at napa pull a rear stud from the shelf that was listed for the 4runner but the knurl was smaller in dia. Didn't try one from a tacoma though.



I should have added in this first post, I know about the ARP studs but they are way overkill and far to expansive for this application.
This is a daily driver 2wd 4unner. No wheeling will be had in this thing. I have a truck for that.
If you look at the pic I posted, these are not china made dorman crap.

A daily driver? Even more reason to add quality parts. When you're spending a lot of money on wheels & tires what's another $130 for peace of mind? The ARP studs will outlast the truck. I did this research 2 years ago. There's very few options.
You're rubutting everyone's advice. You came here to ask the experienced ones right? Change your wheels then. I'm sure that's cheaper than the ARP studs.
You got to pay to play as they say.:cheers:

 

[MN4runnerman]

Didn't [MENTION=57546]4-Ripcord[/MENTION] buy some longer wheel studs? At least I think it was him and he/or someone did a little write up in their build thread....can't remember might've had some beers in me.

 

[4-Ripcord]

Didn't [MENTION=57546]4-Ripcord[/MENTION] buy some longer wheel studs? At least I think it was him and he/or someone did a little write up in their build thread....can't remember might've had some beers in me.

I did, and I used Dorman, and this is the first I am ever hearing about them being poor quality.

 

[Ed_C]

Has anyone used FJ80 rear wheel studs? I've used them on the fronts of my 2000 Tundra and on all four corners of my old Scion. The knurls were the same diameter as the original studs from both vehicles.

I also found these, 1/2" longer than stock (didn't specify what model though) and made in the USA
WheelAdapter.com > Wheel Studs

 

[Twisted Sid]

A daily driver? Even more reason to add quality parts. When you're spending a lot of money on wheels & tires what's another $130 for peace of mind? The ARP studs will outlast the truck. I did this research 2 years ago. There's very few options.
You're rubutting everyone's advice. You came here to ask the experienced ones right? Change your wheels then. I'm sure that's cheaper than the ARP studs.
You got to pay to play as they say.:cheers:

lol because $130 is more than I spent buying and repainting the wheels. These wheels have been on for a few months and haven't fallen off so what I have now works fine. I just figured while I had to replace studs, I might as well make them grab better. While it would be nice to use the ARP ones, they are just not needed and are not in my budget right now.
And I'm not rebutting everyone's advice, I'm just responding to things that are posted. If you don't like what I'm responding with, move along. There has been some good advice given that I am looking into.

 

[Ed_C]

I emailed wheeladaptor.com about the studs they offer (ones I posted previously), they said overall length is 2.75" with 2" of threads.

As per ARP's website,the IS300 studs have a UHL (Under Head Length) of 2.6" with .23" of knurling.

NAPA's website doesn't mention overall length,I've read between 44-49mm.

While searching for that NAPA stud I also found a Dorman stud with an overall length of 55mm/2.17" Dorman Wheel Studs 610-463 - Free Shipping on Orders Over $99 at Summit Racing. [MENTION=57546]4-Ripcord[/MENTION] are these the Dormans you used?

I don't have the FJ80 measurements, I installed them like 9-10 years ago LOL

 

[4-Ripcord]

I emailed wheeladaptor.com about the studs they offer (ones I posted previously), they said overall length is 2.75" with 2" of threads.

As per ARP's website,the IS300 studs have a UHL (Under Head Length) of 2.6" with .23" of knurling.

NAPA's website doesn't mention overall length,I've read between 44-49mm.

While searching for that NAPA stud I also found a Dorman stud with an overall length of 55mm/2.17" Dorman Wheel Studs 610-463 - Free Shipping on Orders Over $99 at Summit Racing. [MENTION=57546]4-Ripcord[/MENTION] are these the Dormans you used?

I don't have the FJ80 measurements, I installed them like 9-10 years ago LOL

I got the 610-407 ones

 

[hearno]

Just to add to this thread in case anyone comes across in like I did... I used the 641-2196 studs that the OP mentioned and they were (so far) a complete success for adding 1.5 inch spacers to my front end. I went to my local NAPA and the counter guy could not have been more helpful. He pulled out a digital caliper and measured both the new ones and the ones that should have gone on the truck. He understood what I was trying to accomplish and confident it would work. My mechanic said the same thing once he saw the replacement studs. Prior to that, the stock studs just didn't have enough length to give the lugs enough bite for me to drive comfortably with. This was on a 2001 4wd, 3.4, SR5.

 

[Scramble]

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[UnderFire]

I used the dorman Toyota matrix studs, the pricetag on the arps is absurd, especially when the Camaro studs I bought for my rx7 which are close to identical were only like 15$ for 5.

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