Looking for lighting ideas on a 3rd Gen

Hey folks, so I can finally post my own, promise, I'll behave! :biggrin1:

Long story sorta shortened, since I'm new here.

Bought my '96 SR5 about 5 years ago, from a small dealer in Southern NJ. Vehicle is one owner, from Boston, it's whole life. Why it was so utterly clean and rust free, is beyond me, but she had 95K on the clock when I took possession. Traded my '05 Taco that was already rotting away, and happily overpaid to get back into a Japanese built truck. LOVE the 4Runner platform, just never had one before, always did Tacomas (and pre Taco pickups) with an extra cab.

My dogs love the extra space, and the window that drops down so they can make friends out the back at stop lights!

Life changed, and I needed something that gets more than 16MPG, so I picked up a VW TDI Sportwagen.

I'd had a "toy" car for quite a while, and had been using Hagerty for classic car insurance, and enjoyed the cheap rate.

I couldn't stomach paying close to a grand, each, annually, keeping both vehicles on the road, and the wagon did well enough, dog duty wise, that I decided to sell the 'Runner.

Tried all summer, couldn't even get $4K for it, despite being super clean, having two full sets of wheels, steels with big snows, and the OEM alloys that have never seen salt. Just did a timing belt too, and it's barely got 120K on the clock.

I'd been bugging Hagerty to carry my 'Runner, based on how old it was, they kept on tossing it back as too young.

I got sick of people low balling me without even coming out to see the the truck, so I tried, one last time, with Hagerty. To my surprise, they finally said yes, and for just under $400 a year, I now can afford to keep both vehicles, yippee!

So I started throwing a bit of cash at it. New OME suspension all around with a 2" lift, full tune up (plugs, wires, filters, etc), and man is she running great, I LOVE this truck!!!

Suffice to say, my VW is now my sacrificial winter car, and this won't see salt ever again if I can help it. A bit of orange nastiness has developed in the several winters I drove it, but low miles in general, have kept it to a really dull roar.

If you're still with me, here we go.

Thing that has bugged me for along time is the headlights. Just not as bright as my VW, hell, my night riding lights for my mountain biking are way brighter.

I've seen the LED light bars, and the little cubes that folks mount near their windshields, and man, I just can't do it. For my aesthetics, they just look like hokey bolt ons that teenagers with fart pipes and oversized ground effects bolt on to look cool.

Curious if there's anyone who's found a stealthy way to mount the above, while still keeping decent performance, or, alternately, an LED conversion for the EOM lights, that keeps full performance, but steps things up a bit, lumen wise?

What I've seen with the LED bulbs is that they aren't dimmable (high and low beams) or something similar. Maybe that's changed, no idea.

Worth noting, I'm not a car mechanic, I don't have a nice garage to work in (as in, no garage at all!), and ripping apart the vehicles electrical system is decidedly NOT something I'd undertake myself. Looking for clean and easy, which, I understand, may not be possible.

I seriously appreciate any input folks might have.

Pics are from this past Spring, so pre OME lift etc....
 

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Awesome! Thanks.

So, pardon the dumb question, but what's my current hi beam, less than 100W, I assume?

Don't need crazy light, just need better than stock.

Already took out two deer in the past several years, looking to lessen that threat!
 
Factory high beam is 60W.

If you get these, just beware that they are technically not street legal. It's highly unlikely you'll get 'caught', but don't go around flashing your highs at police cars and make sure you are dipping for on coming traffic.
 
Ohh, nice! So a substantive increase, awesome, exactly what I was after.

Understood on the legality, yeah, I'm a pretty polite driver in that regard....

Again, thanks.
 
Really? Curious, I guess I wouldn't expect the existing stuff to be so close to "not beefy enough".

Is it due to age, or smaller gauge wires, wimpier connectors, etc?

I'd buy, not build. I'm a bike mechanic by trade, but electrical and car mechanics do not translate over well, so I employ pros for pretty much everything, as I just like things to work, not be projects turned problems!

Is changing that harness as simple as tracing it back from the lights, cutting zip ties, and then reversing the process, or is it more involved than that (fishing through body panels, undoing all manner of other stuff, etc)? I'm not helplessly non mechanical, but way out of my element.

Sorry for all the lame questions...
 
From memory I think our 3rd gens have a 9003 spec bulb, but the H4 is basically identical and will work just fine.
 
If you still have the pre-'99 plastic headlights, switch over to the clear glass '99-'02 headlights, off the bat they have a better beam pattern. They still use H4 bulbs.

How much are you willing to spend? A HID projector retrofit will give you the best lighting performance without adding light bars/cubes/etc.
 
Appreciate the clarification techno.

Ed, while I haven't plinked them with my finger recently, pretty sure they are glass?? They did plastic on '96's? I thought they were all glass then. They are still super clear, unlike ones I've had in the past that I knew were plastic, they get all hazed over and crappy.

I guess I'm not opposed to spending $100+ without too much issue, but unless you're thinking that new lights and an HID will be substantively better than the bulbs techno suggested, I'm leaning that direction for now.

For under $30, if I get a nice bump, I'm happy. I'm not doing much (read, really, any) off road, so massive illumination isn't a huge concern, just kicking up what I have, as they are so anemic compared to my other car (and other, more modern vehicles). Lotsa country roads around here though, so good punch is important for sure.
 
Pre "fat lip" 3rd-gens came with fluted plastic lensed headlights, '99-on came with clear glass lenses. Maybe the previous owner already swapped them over? I can't tell by your pics LOL

A good HID retrofit will blow away a halogen upgrade,but there's the added expense. Parts alone for a proper HID retrofit is well over $100 just for projectors; still have to tack on bulbs and ballasts. And expect a few days of down time while you work on them.

Try those Hella bulbs first. 9003 and H4 are the same by the way,H4 was just the designation used in the US when manufacturers finally equipped vehicles with those bulbs. Have you also considered some auxiliary halogen lights that fit in your bumper,similar to factory lights? Do some searching around in the 3rd-gen forums,I'm sure someone has installed Hella or similar ones. There are also some projector retrofit threads there.
 
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Cool.

Yeah, for the $, definitely will try the Hellas first.

Just checked, my lenses certainly appear to be glass?? They are the OEM ones, say Toyota Japan on 'em, and have little sprues poking outward from the face, any plastic lenses I've seen are 100% smooth faced.

I've seen those in bumper lights, but there's no provisions for them on mine, I think it's either aftermarket bumpers that have them, or only the Limited trim line that came with that bumper. Mines just an SR5, so, lots of chrome, sunroof, AC, alloy wheels, cloth seats, combination CD/Tape player etc.

I didn't see any nice, clean mods, mostly the externally mounted stuff I'm trying to avoid.

Thanks again, you guys rock!
 
Really? Curious, I guess I wouldn't expect the existing stuff to be so close to "not beefy enough".

Is it due to age, or smaller gauge wires, wimpier connectors, etc?

I'd buy, not build. I'm a bike mechanic by trade, but electrical and car mechanics do not translate over well, so I employ pros for pretty much everything, as I just like things to work, not be projects turned problems!

Is changing that harness as simple as tracing it back from the lights, cutting zip ties, and then reversing the process, or is it more involved than that (fishing through body panels, undoing all manner of other stuff, etc)? I'm not helplessly non mechanical, but way out of my element.

Sorry for all the lame questions...

Its a combination of things, part is your adding load to an older system, so you could possibly overload the circuit, switch and fuses, also by using a harness you supply direct battery voltage to the headlights eliminating any voltage loss. the harness will be fuses for protection, and a volt or two may not seem like much but it can be a dramatic difference as far as light output.
And I'm not sure about glass VS plastic as far as years go. glass would be better due to hazing and yellowing, My 97 had glass,
also I just bought a set of HID retrofits, it's a large output of cash, optimizing what you have can be a cheaper option with improvements in light output.

The harness plug into your headlights as a trigger wire, has a 12V from the battery some relays and fuses, it uses your headlight plug as the trigger for the relays to supply battery voltage. very simple install.
 
Have you checked out SRQ's headlights? I have them, pretty happy with the fit and finish, they are bright (equal to our brand new Mazda LEDs), good cut off, good color etc. The install can be done with basic tools and minimal electrical experience. Finding creative places/solutions for mounting the ballasts was the most difficult part imo.

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Thanks for the SRQ option, no I hadn't. I'll keep it in mind if the Hellas aren't enough.

Ordered them, and the suggested harness yesterday.

'Fun, might I ask for a slight clarification?

"by using a harness you supply direct battery voltage to the headlights"

Not having the parts in hand yet, I'm kinda driving from the back seat currently. I was assuming that I'd just be getting something that I unplug the old, and plug in the new, zip tie the harness in the same line s the old one came off, then install bulbs. What you're saying, sounds like I'm connecting them to the battery directly??

Sorry, as I said, my comprehension of electrical systems, their terminology, and mechanical functioning/connecting isn't great, so I'm taking your comment in a rather literal sense...
 
I know the headlights on the later models are supposed to be better. Not sure when they switched. I just have a pair of Sylvania SilverStar Ultra's and I really like them. Also have a super bright set of PIAA driving lights, and honestly I rarely feel the need for them.
 
There are some really good threads on light upgrades. With a bit of digging, you'll find much more info about light patterns, temperatures, advantages and disadvantages of HID, etc.

I'd start here: https://www.tacomaworld.com/threads/the-ultimate-headlight-upgrade-h4-not-led-or-hid.398066/

If you're going to upgrade to 100 W lights you really need a heavy-duty wiring harness. If you don't upgrade the harness, don't bother with the bulbs because (1) you'll get so much voltage drop, leading to dimmer lights, it won't be worth it and (2) you'll likely melt your headlight sockets.

Here's the best wiring harness for Gen 3's: Headlight Services - Wiring

You'll also see references to Daniel Stern's site: Daniel Stern Lighting Consultancy and Supply

I think you'll want to do some more reading before screwing around with your lights - there are a lot of issues, and many of them aren't obvious. My guess is that you'll be happy with a suitable upgrade, and it'll be worth it, but the choice may not be obvious.
 
j4run brings up a good point about wiring upgrades. They can sometimes help a lot. I've used ARB's M002 H4 upgrade on another vehicle and noticed a big improvement just on factory headlights.
However, I've been running the 100w high beam bulbs for years on stock 4Runner wiring with no issues what so ever. No melting or excessive temps, and they are definitely NOT dimmer.

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Cool, thanks for that extra info.

As I said earlier, I did order the bulbs, and wiring harness that were provided farther up this link.

I'll see what it all looks like when they show, I have no issues with needing the harness, just hope it'll be sturdy enough to do the job as intended.

I have a lighting system for the night riding I do, 5000 lumens. I've run into issues with the provided cord extensions creating enough voltage drop to have there be issues at the light head.

So I sort of understand the concerns? I wouldn't have though about the switch or other stuff being affected though, so I appreciate that insight, a lot.

Fingers crossed for a simple upgrade that can be done in my driveway!!
 

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