Looks Like the Tundra has more competition

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Looks Like Toyota needs to pump more power into the Tundra ASAP, as the rest of the compatition is pulling way ahead.

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DETROIT - The Nissan division of Nissan North America, Inc. (NNA) today unveiled the all-new 2004 Titan, the company
 
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Interior is nice...very nice. However, the exterior is a bit too bold for the truck consumers.
 
Here's some more info....

Nissan introduces first full-size pickup

Detroit, Michigan - Nissan is ready to shake up the full-size pickup segment with its dramatically-styled and versatile new full-size 2004 Nissan Titan King Cab pickup.

Among the Titan's unique design features are the King Cab's 'Wide-Open' rear doors that open nearly 180 degrees for better interior access, an industry-first factory-applied spray-in bedliner, a lockable climate-resistant bedside storage compartment, and Nissan's exclusive Utili-track bed channel tie-down system that provides ultimate cargo hauling flexibility.

The Titan is built on an all-new pickup platform, and features a newly designed Nissan Endurance 5.6 litre DOHC V8 engine with over 300 horsepower and more than 375 lb-ft of torque, a standard 5-speed automatic transmission, and a towing capacity of up to 9,400 pounds. The Nissan Titan will be available in both King Cab and Crew Cab models, with a choice of 2-wheel and 4-wheel drive.

The new Titan, which was conceived, developed, styled and engineered primarily in North America, will be assembled at Nissan's new $1.43 billion manufacturing facility in Canton, Mississippi. The Titan is scheduled to go on sale in late 2003.

Highlights of the 2004 Nissan Titan King Cab full-size pickup:

Available in King Cab and Crew Cab (to be shown in April 2003) configurations
Rear doors that swing open nearly 180 degrees (King Cab models)
6.5-foot bed with available high-utility bed features:
Factory-applied spray-in bedliner
Utili-track bed channel system with adjustable aluminum-alloy tie-down cleats and available accessory racks, trays, dividers and modular storage systems
Unique lockable, climate-resistant bedside storage compartment located immediately behind the driver's side rear wheelwell, with two-position adjustable tray and removable rubber mat
Cargo area light with first-in-segment tailgate illumination and bed-mounted 12-volt utility powerpoint
Enhanced bed reinforcement design (bed corners and upper portion of header panel, 22 additional structural reinforcements with Utili-track bed channel system)
Chrome-plated steel front bumper with available body-colour side fascias, integrated chrome-plated rear bumper finisher for enhanced scratch protection

Engine and Driveline

Standard Nissan Endurance 5.6-litre DOHC V8 producing over 300 horsepower and more than 375 lb-ft of torque
Aluminum block with cast iron cylinder liners, forged steel crankshaft, microfinished crankshaft and camshaft, molybdenum-coated pistons, 6-bolt main bearing caps, Super Silent single-stage timing chain
Standard 5-speed electronically controlled automatic transmission with manual shift and tow/haul modes for enhanced fuel economy and towing capacity
Available Vehicle Dynamic Control (VDC) with Brake Activated Limited Slip Traction Control (includes deactivation switch)
Standard Dana 44 front and rear axles
Tire Pressure Monitor System

4-Wheel Drive Features

Available shift-on-the-fly 4-wheel drive system with 2WD/4H/4LO modes, electronic control part-time transfer case; best-in-class 4LO crawl gear ratio
Class-exclusive electronically controlled locking rear differential (switch operated)
7.5x17 brushed aluminum-alloy wheels and 285/70R17 tires (off-road package)
Skid plates for lower radiator, transfer case and fuel tank
Available Rancho gas shocks

Suspension, Steering and Braking

All-steel double wishbone front suspension
Rigid leaf (dual rate) rear suspension with shackles mounted along frame sides for maximum ground clearance
Power-assisted rack-and-pinion steering
Standard 7.5x17 painted steel wheels and 245/75R17 tires
8.0x18 aluminum-alloy wheels and 265/70R18 tires (SE and LE)
4-wheel disc brakes with Bosch Anti-lock Braking System (ABS)

Interior Features

Power-adjustable front seats with available driver's seat memory system, available heated front seats
Full-size door handles, knobs and steering wheel specifically designed for operation with work gloves
Flip-up rear seat cushions for added cargo space and flexibility, grocery hooks on bottom of seat cushions (King Cab)
Centre console (except on front bench seat models) with 12-volt adapter
Ample rear storage, including door storage bins and rear door bottle holders in armrests
Oversize assist grips and coat hanger system
Power front windows with one-touch up and down function
Sporty instrument panel with six gauges

Safety and Security

Zone Body construction with front and rear crushable zones and occupant zone
Nissan Advanced Air Bag System (includes dual-stage front supplemental air bags with seat belt sensors and a front occupant classification sensor), 3-point front seat belts with pretensioners and load limiters
Supplemental front side-impact air bags with available supplemental side-impact curtain air bags (the first time available in a full-size extended cab pickup)
3-point seat belts for all rear seat occupants, including center position
LATCH (Lower Anchors and Tether for CHildren) child seat safety system Models and Manufacturing
Available in 4x4 and 4x2 King Cab and Crew Cab body configurations
Assembled by Nissan North America Manufacturing Canton, Mississippi Plant
 
Here is Ford new F150

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2004 Ford F150 Preview on RockCrawler.com

Quite impressive!
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Another Preview on Nissan Titan


NCTD.com Preview of Titan


2004 Nissan Titan
By J.P. Vettraino
On Sale: December 2003

Nissan is launching a full-size pickup for 2004, generating one of the biggest automotive stories of the year.

Nissan Titan will offer more power and more torque than the Ford F-150, the best-selling full-size pickup in the United States, even when the F-150 is equipped with its largest V8. Nissan will offer a greater towing capacity than the Ford. Titan comes with a five-speed automatic instead of the four-speed automatics found on other full-size pickups. Titan has better airbag coverage. Titan also brings a host of innovative features not previously offered in any full-size pickup.

Clearly, Nissan is not soft-pedaling its entry into the full-size arena. Titan is ready to go toe-to-toe with Ford, Chevy, and Dodge, never pulling a punch. "We will compete in this market with nothing less than the very best,'' says Bill Kirrane, vice president and general manager of Nissan division in North America.

No, Nissan is not the first import brand with a large pickup. That credit belongs to Toyota, which launched the T100 in the mid-1990s. T100 was a marketing failure. It wasn't a full-size truck in the conventional sense, it didn't offer a V8 engine, and Toyota made it clear that it was after a niche in the market rather than the mainstream pickup turf long dominated by Detroit's Big Three. Then came Toyota Tundra, the T100's successor. But the Toyota Tundra is just seven-eighths of the size of the full-size Ford, Chevy, and Dodge pickups.

One look at the 2004 Titan suggests Nissan won't make the mistakes Toyota made. Nissan Titan meets or beats the Big Three in virtually every category, according to preliminary specifications. It's aimed squarely at the F-150, the Chevy Silverado, and the Dodge Ram. That's huge because full-size pickups have been cash cows for the Big Three, their most reliable source of profit. Titan is a wakeup call.

Who will win? The consumer. Nissan doesn't plan to sell more than a small fraction of the number of pickups sold by Detroit, so in that sense it's not really a direct threat to Ford, Chevy, and Dodge. Nearly 10 years after Toyota launched its big pickup, the Tundra has hardly nicked Big Three pickup sales. But the Big Three are watching.

What they are seeing is that Nissan has done its homework on this pickup truck. "We wanted to offer new ideas in a full-size pickup," said Nissan's Kirrane, "but we had to get the basics right first." So Nissan arranged dozens of clinics and surveys with Ford, Chevy, and Dodge pickup owners.

The result is a refined variant of the conventional full-size pickup. Nissan Titan features a fully boxed, closed ladder frame, independent double-wishbone front suspension, solid rear axle with dual-stage shackled leaf springs and offset shock absorbers, and a big V8 engine, the heart of any full size pickup. "This is not some mildly tweaked variant of a luxury car engine,'' Kirrane said. That may have been a jab at Toyota, which puts Lexus luxury-car engines in its Tundra pickup.

Nissan's new 5.6-liter V8 features double overhead cams and four valves per cylinder. Its aluminum engine block has cast-iron cylinder liners, a forged steel crankshaft, six-bolt main bearing caps and a single steel timing chain. Production specs haven't been published, but Nissan promises more than 300 horsepower and at least 375 pound-feet of torque, class-leading acceleration, towing capacity, and fuel economy.

So much for the basics. But Nissan didn't stop there and tried to go the Big Three at least one better, starting with things that aren't obvious to the eye. Nissan Titan has triple door seals (compared to double seals in the F-150) to reduce the intrusion of noise, air or moisture in the cab. It has an optional electronic locking rear differential, as opposed to mechanical limited-slip, and it comes standard with frontal and side-impact airbags with three-point belts at every seating position. It's also the first pickup with curtain airbags running the length of the cab to provide head protection. Head protection is good. We prefer it.

In profile, the Titan presents a wedge shape, rising from front to rear. It's not likely to be mistaken for any other brand of pickup.

Titan's interior has a masculine, hard-edged look, with large knobs and buttons that should be easy to operate when a driver is wearing work gloves. Titan's extended King Cab sports a full-width rear seat. It comes with front bucket seats, but an optional front bench makes room for six. Then there are those innovative features we haven't previously seen.

Slickest may be the rear cab doors. Rear doors on other full-size pickups open perpendicular to the cab, out to about 90 degrees. That means that in the tight confines of a narrow parking space, the driver or passenger can be caught between the doors, unable to move freely between the cab and the bed. Titan's rear doors open fully, 180 degrees, folding flush against the side of the bed. With the doors open, there is still unrestricted access back and forth between the cab and bed.

Titan is the first pickup available with a factory applied, sprayed-in resin bed liner, the armor type so popular in the aftermarket. Titan also features a new Utili-track system, which consists of grooves or channels in the bed (two on the bed floor and one each along the top inside edge of the sides and cab end of the of the box). Think of these as drawer slides or flexible mounting points, offering a seemingly infinite combination of tie-down, rack or compartment possibilities. Utili-track will accommodate current aftermarket products, and Nissan is developing its own line of Titan accessories, including a sliding bed divider and cage-style bed extender.

Have a dripping can of paint, a dusty circular saw or a set of jumper cables that might make a mess in the cab, but would slide around in the bed? Titan offers a solution: a locking exterior compartment, like a big glove box, in the bed side behind the left-rear wheel well. Finally, Titan is the first pickup with a 12-volt power point in the rear of the bed and an illuminated tailgate that aids loading in the dark.

It was no coincidence that Nissan unveiled the Titan at the North American International Auto Show in Detroit where the world was watching. It's safe to say that the cadre of Big Three product planners at Titan's unveiling got an eyeful.

The 2004 Nissan Titan will be built at a new assembly plant in Canton, Mississippi. The first models should reach dealerships this fall. Prices will be competitive with similarly equipped Ford, Chevy, and Dodge pickups. Titan will be launched only with the King Cab and 5.6-liter V8. Titan will not offer optional bed lengths, a flare-side bed, a six-cylinder, diesel and other options many truck buyers consider essentials.

Nissan will unveil a Crew Cab model this spring, however, and a 4x4 model will be available with an optional off-road package that includes extra-low range, skid plates, and high-intensity lamps.

Nissan will also unveil this spring a full-size SUV based on the Titan that should be comparable to the Ford Expedition and Chevy Tahoe.

We'll have to wait until we can sit inside, throw stuff in the bed, and drive these new trucks to truly evaluate them. But it's clear from static evaluation that the 2004 Nissan Titan is a serious pickup sure to change the full-size landscape.
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Link:

CanadianDriver.com Preview of F150

Careful makeover aims to keep F-150 the world's top-selling vehicle
by Craig M. Lee

If you like pickup trucks, you're among the largest, most loyal and conservative customer base in all of auto-dom.

Large? Consider that Ford's F-150 has been the best-selling vehicle -- not just pickup -- in the United States for 21 straight years. In 2001 alone, more than 911,000 F-150s were shipped to happy customers.

Pickups from General Motors and Dodge are also among the 10 best-sellers in the U.S., and in Canada, GM's Chevy Silverado and GMC Sierra outsell even the Ford F-150.

And loyal? Truck buyers hardly ever change brands. Chevrolet, for instance, claims 80 per cent of its pickup buyers are former Chevy pickup owners.

There are good reasons pick-ups are so popular. Unlike sport-utility vehicles, many of which are not very sporty or utile, pickups evoke warm memories of that little Radio Flyer wagon we had, or wanted, as a kid. And pickups are useful companions, handy as all get out to haul around our stuff.

Nothing pretentious and not built for looks, although there have been some new looks introduced over the years, each accompanied by considerable hand-wringing from company marketing types. Truck buyers aren't receptive to change for the sake of change.

Sure, Dodge did it right when it updated its Ram pickup for 1996, introducing the hugely successful "Big Rig" look. GM held marketplace share in 1999 with its modestly restyled (but still all-new) Silverado and Sierra.

Ford went way out on a limb when it smoothed the rough edges for 1997, giving us the current look, but that turned out OK. Still, F-Series sales were off 10 per cent in 2002, signalling a need for another re-do. And Ford really had no choice, because there's lots of new competition on the horizon.

So, how does Ford plan to keep the F-150 as the No. 1 selling pickup in the world? By delivering more of what it already delivers. Enter the all-new 2004 F-150.

Passenger cabs are 100 millimetres (four inches) wider and 150 mm (six inches) longer, for more interior space in Regular and SuperCab models, and for a less-upright back seat in SuperCab and SuperCrew (four-door) models.

The cargo boxes are 50 mm (two inches) deeper, and handling dynamics are better, thanks to rack-and-pinion steering, wider rear leaf springs and outboard-mounted rear shocks.

The look for 2004 is tougher, more angular, but still "Ford," and not so extreme as Ford's F-350 Tonka concept truck (whew!). A nine-times-stiffer frame and all-new body structure promise quieter operation and better results in the 40-m.p.h. offset crash test conducted by the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety (www.hwysafety.org).

That's a much-needed improvement because most pickups are bought for personal (family) use and the current F-150 SuperCab model did appallingly poorly in the offset (head-on, left front to left front) test, exhibiting "major collapse of the occupant compartment" according to the IIHS.

For "garagability," SuperCab models can be ordered with the 5.5-foot cargo box previously restricted to the long SuperCrew. The regular and SuperCab trucks are also available with 6.5- and eight-foot boxes.

A Flareside 6.5-foot box with external fenders also returns, but with a custom tailgate that features a built-in spoiler.

Output of the optional 5.4-litre V-8 jumps to 300 horsepower for 2004, a 40-h.p. increase, thanks to to the addition of three valves per cylinder and variable valve timing. The 4.6 V-8 is essentially a carry-over, though transmissions are supposedly tougher.

Inexplicably, if you want a six-cylinder engine or five-speed manual transmission, you'll have to wait until 2005. For fleet buyers, or anyone with an environmental or fuel-cost concern in this Kyoto era, these oversights will be hard to forgive. As well, development work with Navistar (formerly International Harvester) on a baby-PowerStroke 4.5-litre V-6 diesel, which was planned for the 2002 model year, is apparently stalled.

But it's the dramatic new interiors for this ninth iteration of the F-Series pickup that will undoubtedly part piastres from purchasers. There are three different and much nicer dash and instrument cluster designs for the model range; none looks or feels like the Rubbermaid-like dash of the current F-150.

Lariat and FX4 (offroad) models promise unique "warm steel" dash inserts with a T-Bird-like centre console and, for the first time, a floor-shift. According to Jim Smithbauer, the new F-150's design manager, "The look is very modern, precise and industrial, and it's executed in an honest, straightforward way."

For the aging comb-over crowd, the tailgate can be raised or lowered with one little pinkie, thanks to the addition of torsion bar assist. And for the testosterone-fuelled, the SVT (for Special Vehicles Team) Lightning variant gets a six-speed manual transmission option (currently, it's automatic-only) and a supercharged engine reportedly putting out upward of 500 h.p. Stand back, Loretta! Regular cab models gain small access doors, so you can reach in more easily for tools behind the seat. No news yet on Harley-Davidson and King Ranch models.

Ford hasn't announced pricing, beyond saying it will try to keep suggested retail prices close to current levels, despite higher production costs for the new model. Current F-150s range from less than $25,000 for a trades-special XL with V-8 engine and automatic to $38,000 for a SuperCrew 4X4 with options. Factory production of the 2004 F-150 begins in June, with late 2003 delivery dates to be confirmed.

By then, Ford will compete with more than just Chevy and Dodge. This fall, Nissan rolls out its own full-size pickup, the Titan. It will be available in regular, extended and crew cab models with a five-speed automatic transmission and a 5.6-litre, 300-h.p. V-8 engine. Nissan's design target with the Titan? Consider that Ford's V-8 engine is called the Triton, and it's a no-brainer.

Toyota already has its Tundra pickup (code-named, until Ford threatened to sue, the T-150.) The Tundra's really about 7/8 scale, but a new four-door Double-Cab Tundra is coming this year.

Honda, too, may have a midsize or larger pickup truck up its sleeve. Like the Titan and Tundra, it would be "built in America by Americans" (or at least in North America by Canadians) and undoubtedly high quality, so it too would be a formidable entry.

When GM unleashes its Chevy Colorado/GM Canyon replacements for the diminutive S-10, also for 2004, they too will be attractive, larger, midsize alternatives, with crew cabs.

But Ford, which has been producing its "Built Ford Tough" F-Series trucks since 1948, will be hard to dislodge from the sales lead. To appease its most conservative buyers (and to ensure a supply of trucks), Ford will even continue to build the current F-150 at its Oakville factory for another year, to be sold alongside the new model.

Ford followed the same strategy in 1996, partly because of fears the redesigned 1997 model could be too radical for some of the F-150 faithful.
 
More Nissan Titan Pics

Let's haul stump, dude! When Renault-Nissan's dignified savior Carlos Ghosn announced at the 1999 New York show that Nissan would have a big pickup to go fender-to-fender with any F-series or Ram, we were intrigued and dubious. Then we saw the alpha T concept at last year's Detroit show and were a little less snarky. And here she is and the design led by Dianne Allen (2001 Frontier) appears to be quite nasty (i.e. good). Built in the new Canton, Mississippi facility, the half-ton king-cab (codename: ZW) shares its new platform with the future Nissan full-size SUV to be seen at the New York show, comes with a 300-horsepower, 375 pound-feet 5.6-liter 90-degree V8 based on the Q45 motor and there's room under the hood for a future supercharger.
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I test drove a Crew Cab LE 4x2 yesterday and while I was not impressed with the interior's cheap bits and pieces (and this is an LE, for one thing), Nissan may improve on the interior in later model years. The power was almost unreal, and the engine's exhaust note reminded me of the Mustang and the Hemi.

But, wait until Toyota gets their new Tundra out. Then a fair comparison can be made.
 
ok at which point is the bigger engine going to be worthless compared to getting a decent cummins turbo diesel?

personally, if your gonna get that engine, your better off getting a cummins. you be surprised what you could do in a decked out turbo diesel, and better reliability in the long run.

YMMV
 

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