Max trax?

[MENTION=138455]DesertFish[/MENTION]
Do you have a link for where you got the HD Waffle Boards? ~$130 seems like a good deal.

Thanks

I actually purchased them from a local industrial electrical supply company called Peterson Company here in SLC. Their site is peterson-co.com . The price I picked them up for did not include shipping. I'm not sure on the cost of shipping, however the product itself is called FiberGrate and may be found at a local dealer.
 
The orange makes it easy to spot your 4Runner in a crowded parking lot. :lmao:

I have used them twice, the first time they worked great. The second time I was so deep in a silt/rock layer I just buried them. I had to get winched out.

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I actually purchased them from a local industrial electrical supply company called Peterson Company here in SLC. Their site is peterson-co.com . The price I picked them up for did not include shipping. I'm not sure on the cost of shipping, however the product itself is called FiberGrate and may be found at a local dealer.

Thanks for the info - appreciate it.
 
The orange makes it easy to spot your 4Runner in a crowded parking lot. :lmao:

I have used them twice, the first time they worked great. The second time I was so deep in a silt/rock layer I just buried them. I had to get winched out.

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TK-422
What bug deflector/hood protector do you have as I have exactly the same vehicle as yours in 2016 and it looks good.Is it bolt on or just adhesive strip.Please advise.
Thanks
Hughwho
 
Have had the set of Maxsa traction boards for over a year now and they've held up great after more than a few uses. Only downfall is that they don't nest within each other cleanly like the maxxtrax do.View attachment 229888

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I used mine today in a snow recovery situation, and they worked quite well - with no damage to the recovery boards.

As always, the key is good prep (digging them in properly) and taking your time (don't spin the tires).
 
Those Tred Pros look great. I was just reading about them this morning.

Would have gotten in on the Kickstarter campaign had I known about it.

I really F'ed myself into some deep snow and was able to pop myself out 3 times. I was air'ed down and spinning on them. It was below freezing and I didn't have gear to spend the night / it was a long hike out, shouldn't have been there alone.. anyway, At the time I decided to pretty much sacrifice them if they'd get me out. Ended up having to hike out.

When I got winched out later one of the boards had cracked probably from being stressed under the truck in low temps then getting yarded on as the winch popped me out. The black high heat resistant knobs stood up extremely well. With all my spinning theres only really 2 knobs that got shaved down 50%


I emailed TRED with pics of the cracked track and they sent a new set with some free recovery leashes thrown in.

If your putting yourself in situations where their reliability could really change your trip is it worth saving $100 for some half-ass product that doesn't have a fraction of the research behind it or a lifetime warranty?
 
I really F'ed myself into some deep snow and was able to pop myself out 3 times. I was air'ed down and spinning on them. It was below freezing and I didn't have gear to spend the night / it was a long hike out, shouldn't have been there alone.. anyway, At the time I decided to pretty much sacrifice them if they'd get me out. Ended up having to hike out.

When I got winched out later one of the boards had cracked probably from being stressed under the truck in low temps then getting yarded on as the winch popped me out. The black high heat resistant knobs stood up extremely well. With all my spinning theres only really 2 knobs that got shaved down 50%


I emailed TRED with pics of the cracked track and they sent a new set with some free recovery leashes thrown in.

If your putting yourself in situations where their reliability could really change your trip is it worth saving $100 for some half-ass product that doesn't have a fraction of the research behind it or a lifetime warranty?

I agree with you philosophically, but there are exceptions to the rule. In this particular case I think the Maxsa boards match up very well to the Maxtrax or Treds, for less than half of the cost. Have a look on Amazon.com and you'll see that the reviews are just as good.

In practical terms, that meant that I could buy a set of 4 for what it would cost me to get 2 of the others, with money left over. And that means I have 4 to work with in a recovery situation, instead of 2 - which as you've seen first hand, could make the difference between a successful recovery and a very long walk.
 
I really F'ed myself into some deep snow and was able to pop myself out 3 times. I was air'ed down and spinning on them. It was below freezing and I didn't have gear to spend the night / it was a long hike out, shouldn't have been there alone.. anyway, At the time I decided to pretty much sacrifice them if they'd get me out. Ended up having to hike out...

Slight thread drift here: But please be careful out there. You put yourself in a very dangerous situation.

https://www.outsideonline.com/2152131/freezing-death

I agree with you philosophically, but there are exceptions to the rule. In this particular case I think the Maxsa boards match up very well to the Maxtrax or Treds, for less than half of the cost. Have a look on Amazon.com and you'll see that the reviews are just as good.

In practical terms, that meant that I could buy a set of 4 for what it would cost me to get 2 of the others, with money left over. And that means I have 4 to work with in a recovery situation, instead of 2 - which as you've seen first hand, could make the difference between a successful recovery and a very long walk.

The only flaw with this logic is that it restricts innovation. Prices of Maxtrax incorporate not only dollars to manufacture, but R&D/Marketing as well. Others, like Maxsa, don't have the initial (usually very high) up front costs, which is why they're able to offer them at a lower cost. But remember, without companies like MaxTrax and others in the forefront of innovation, we wouldn't have these products to begin with.

Having said that, they (MaxTrax) have also got to be competitive. They've essentially had a monopoly in this product sector for a little while, which makes up for some of the R&D costs. But they better bring the pricing down a notch, otherwise, prove how their product performs better to justify the 2x cost.
 
It's not just the design, but the material costs. Polymers, especially reinforced, are a bear to make and make consistently from batch to batch.

Ask the guys at Magpul how many people have copied the PMAG and come close but no cigar on besting them.

Sure, a cheaper maxtrax would be nice, but having seen dealer pricing the markup on these isn't absurd or massive.
 
Slight thread drift here: But please be careful out there. You put yourself in a very dangerous situation.

https://www.outsideonline.com/2152131/freezing-death



The only flaw with this logic is that it restricts innovation. Prices of Maxtrax incorporate not only dollars to manufacture, but R&D/Marketing as well. Others, like Maxsa, don't have the initial (usually very high) up front costs, which is why they're able to offer them at a lower cost. But remember, without companies like MaxTrax and others in the forefront of innovation, we wouldn't have these products to begin with.

Having said that, they (MaxTrax) have also got to be competitive. They've essentially had a monopoly in this product sector for a little while, which makes up for some of the R&D costs. But they better bring the pricing down a notch, otherwise, prove how their product performs better to justify the 2x cost.

I take your point about knockoff products and agree in principle, but the Maxsa boards aren't copies of either Maxtrax or Treds.

For example their traction parts are distinct from either of the other products, and they don't stack well like either Maxtrax or Treds (which is the one thing I dislike about the Maxsa boards, fwiw).

A related question while we are on the subject...do any of these companies discuss the UV resistance of their products? More specifically, will leaving them mounted on my roof-rack and exposed to sunlight degrade the strength of the recovery boards? This could be an important distinction between products.
 
I take your point about knockoff products and agree in principle, but the Maxsa boards aren't copies of either Maxtrax or Treds...

Exact copies? No. But they're copies, no doubt about it. I mean, the first part of the word is even the same!
 

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Exact copies? No. But they're copies, no doubt about it. I mean, the first part of the word is even the same!

Sure, but you could say the same thing about pretty much any consumer product - i.e. tennis rackets, hockey sticks, baseball bats, etc.. that look virtually identical with small deviations.

In all cases, the companies that are first to market will have a far greater share of R&D, but will also benefit economically from being first to market and having a virtual monopoly.

At a certain point though, R&D costs have been more than recovered, and pricing for the product should go down.

But that hasn't happened, which leaves a spot in the market for a lower margin producer to come along and offer something similar for a fraction of the cost.

YMMV, but IMO monopolies or virtual monopolies are never a good thing. Case in point, the Maxtrax and Trex are priced virtually identically, which suggests they are colluding on price-fixing to protect their high margins.

I think the only reason we are having this discussion about recovery boards is that the market is so limited, and the Maxsas are actually a viable alternative to the big 2 producers that dominate market share. If it was a more broadly used consumer product, people would welcome competition and see it as capitalism working correctly.

In most cases (just ask my wife!) I buy the best of the best, but in this particular circumstance having done quite a bit of reading about all 3 products, I just didn't see that either the Maxtrax or Trex justified the huge premium over the Maxsa product. If the cost difference were smaller, I would have definitely have chosen the Maxtrax or Trex, simply for the convenience of the superior stacking/nesting compared to the Maxsa.
 
I realized that you get what you paid for.
Maxtrax is the best. Other copies might be same quality or worse. Never better.
Also, the better quality products last a lot longer.

Anyways, after 10 hrs of research, every other place sell Maxtrax for $299 plus tax & shipping.
I've found the place called OK Auto, 4WD & Tire ? OE, 4x4, and Performance Specialist for Cars, Jeeps, Trucks, and SUV?s! (it's listed on Maxtrax site as the distributor) that has free shipping and no sales tax.

Also, what I did was.... I placed the Maxtrax on the shopping cart and registered my information on the website but did not go through the payment section and exited out of the website.

After a couple of hours later, OK Auto, 4WD & Tire ? OE, 4x4, and Performance Specialist for Cars, Jeeps, Trucks, and SUV?s! sent me the coupon code which was $20 discount. I've purchased Black Maxtrax and the mounting set with the discount. Fast shipping too.

(BTW, I'm waiting for my 2017 4Runner TRD PRO Cement from Texas. It will be in CA tomorrow. =) Can't wait. )
 
Sure, but you could say the same thing about pretty much any consumer product - i.e. tennis rackets, hockey sticks, baseball bats, etc.. that look virtually identical with small deviations.

In all cases, the companies that are first to market will have a far greater share of R&D, but will also benefit economically from being first to market and having a virtual monopoly.

At a certain point though, R&D costs have been more than recovered, and pricing for the product should go down.

But that hasn't happened, which leaves a spot in the market for a lower margin producer to come along and offer something similar for a fraction of the cost.

YMMV, but IMO monopolies or virtual monopolies are never a good thing. Case in point, the Maxtrax and Trex are priced virtually identically, which suggests they are colluding on price-fixing to protect their high margins.

I think the only reason we are having this discussion about recovery boards is that the market is so limited, and the Maxsas are actually a viable alternative to the big 2 producers that dominate market share. If it was a more broadly used consumer product, people would welcome competition and see it as capitalism working correctly.

In most cases (just ask my wife!) I buy the best of the best, but in this particular circumstance having done quite a bit of reading about all 3 products, I just didn't see that either the Maxtrax or Trex justified the huge premium over the Maxsa product. If the cost difference were smaller, I would have definitely have chosen the Maxtrax or Trex, simply for the convenience of the superior stacking/nesting compared to the Maxsa.
Agreed, I used my Treds in Moab and Colorado and even last hunting season and they performed flawlessly on multiple occasions and all for half the cost.
 
Sure, but you could say the same thing about pretty much any consumer product - i.e. tennis rackets, hockey sticks, baseball bats, etc.. that look virtually identical with small deviations.

Which is why you haven't seen much innovation with those products, right? :D Louisville slugger you pick up today is virtually identical to ones grandpa used.

But I get your point that from our (consumer) perspective, price adjustment is necessary. That's not always reflective on the seller's side, however. Think about Go-Pro. Talk about a pricing gap. They're 3-500% over the competitors. Yet, people still flock to them. Enough people buy at X price, meets the company's ROI threshold----why bother making any changes?

My guess is, people are buying enough MaxTrax to satisfy the investors. Maybe they're opting to take the Go Pro approach to become THE premium brand that no one else can touch. I don't have access to their books, so this is all conjecture.
 
I got the Tred Pro on a Kick start deal and LOVE them. I haven't had to use them yet and I'm very thankful for that. I still have to work on mounting them, but on my Jeep I just put them a roof rack.
 
Which is why you haven't seen much innovation with those products, right? :D Louisville slugger you pick up today is virtually identical to ones grandpa used.

But I get your point that from our (consumer) perspective, price adjustment is necessary. That's not always reflective on the seller's side, however. Think about Go-Pro. Talk about a pricing gap. They're 3-500% over the competitors. Yet, people still flock to them. Enough people buy at X price, meets the company's ROI threshold----why bother making any changes?

My guess is, people are buying enough MaxTrax to satisfy the investors. Maybe they're opting to take the Go Pro approach to become THE premium brand that no one else can touch. I don't have access to their books, so this is all conjecture.

Go Pro is not a great comparison. Their stock has fallen greatly in the past few years. Like from $85 to $9 a share lol
 
Go Pro is not a great comparison. Their stock has fallen greatly in the past few years. Like from $85 to $9 a share lol

I must admit, I haven't really kept up with them in a long time. I don't even own a GoPro. But back in 2013-14, I was befuddled at the prices demanded by these products and wondered why other "imported-cameras-in-a-plastic-bubble" weren't doing as well.
 

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