Militiamen Occupy Oregon Wildlife Office in Protest of Ranchers' Prison Terms

Brian.. What I am trying to say is we have more instances of crazy domestic issues than the foreign boogy man.
 
Brian.. What I am trying to say is we have more instances of crazy domestic issues than the foreign boogy man.

I think that is rapidly changing. I have no issue with anyone foreign. I easily know over 50 foreign born individuals on a first name basis. I've been to some of their weddings and they've been to my house throughout the years. They are from South America, Africa, Asia, Europe and the Middle East.

It isn't Xenophobic to control one's borders, to want to screen, check the backgrounds of individuals who are coming into the country.

I just think we should control who we let into the country and know who they are.

I don't know about any boogey man, but people wanting to kill your family is a very real thing and not something to be scoffed at.

Over 400 people were shot in France, less than 90 days ago. Dozens killed in San Bernadino (an hour from my house btw). Things have changed.
 
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California just did the exact opposite. A law went into effect 01/01 granting explicit permission for citizens to film the police.

Yeah, but don't try to exercise your free speech and speak against abortion, gun control, Mexican illegal immigration, the falsity of the climate change gang, the BLM, EPA, FS lawlessness, or the out of control federal government on the Berkley campus,(the supposed bastion of free speech,) you will be shouted down, risk beating, and likely be arrested for resisting and disturbing the peace.

As well, you can't video the illegal and out control use of wiretapping and phone in warrant requests either.

Lets not even get near California's gun laws, and their insane prison system fueled and filled by the war on drugs, lest we start a shit storm of category 5 levels.
 
How romantic. Right up there with Obama sending James Taylor to Paris to sing You've Got A Friend" after a terrorist attack.

Why don't you fellers in that there compound head on into town, to the Armed Forces Recruiting Center. A little discipline would do you good, and you could actually help your country while having some fun killing bad guys. That is, if you went Army or Marines.
 
I wants my land too. Do I have to be an occupier to get it, or just cause I went my whole life without taking a penny from the guv'ment qualify me? Or do I have to owe the guv'ment over a millions bucks in grazing fees like Bundy to get free land?
 

Interesting "truth"voice headline. When you read the linked article you see that the headline is completely false. Arizona is not banning the video recording of officers at all. That is not what the article says. It said one representative has introduced a bill that would require people taping the police to be 20 feet away. The headline is inflammatory, false bullpoop, which is apparently what feeds forums. From a legal standpoint, there is no expectation of privacy for anyone in a public place to not be video recorded. Police or otherwise. At the mall, at the park, in a store, whatever. Anything you can see with your eyes in a public place, you can video. Key words are expectation of privacy. Of course you can't look up someone's skirt, or peer in a window, or tape that legally. The intent of the bill introduced was to ensure the unfettered and safe operations of police, but it is on its face unconstitutional and unnecessary. If you are taping or doing anything, and are so close as to interfere with an officer, or make the situation unsafe, that would be a separate crime, "Interfering with a police officer."
 
You obviously neglected to peruse the chronological list of retaliatory actions taken by the BLM and Fish and Wildlife departments outlined in the link I provided in a later post that have negatively affected the private land owners in close proximity to the wildlife refuge.

Nope. I read it. But all of it seemed to be purely from the land owners' and anti-government folks' points of view. There are two sides to every story, just as there are reasons for many of the things the federal government does, especially with respect to natural resource agencies. These are agencies that traditionally haven't been well-funded, meaning they normally don't have the time or money to screw around with people, just to be vindictive. Much of what they do is designed to cut enough corners so that they can simply survive, and if they limit access to one area of the land or another, there is almost always clear and publicly-stated justification for it. It's not done just to hurt your neighbor's business, which wouldn't pass the smell test, anyway.

But reasons for doing anything really don't matter to people who already dislike the government are are looking for one more excuse, do they?
Not that the federal government isn't perfect - far from it. When you're faced with the task of trying to serve a country as big as ours and make so many different individuals and groups happy at the same time (which is impossible), there's always going to be a group that doesn't like you.

But if you’re comfortable with the feds in Washington dictating how local acreage is utilized then good luck to you

Again, this is not "local acreage" we're talking about. It's federal land, no different than a 40-acre portion of any military base. Yup, it's owned by "the people," but ALL of us. Not just the people who live nearby and who (coincidentally) want to make money from it.

What this boils down to is that the vast majority of western federal lands - most of which are actually owned by BLM and the Forest Service - were set aside to be used by everyone. That includes a rancher in Oregon and a guy in NYC, the latter of whom may never visit those lands, yet who pays taxes to support them, and has the ability to suddenly decide to visit them and do a little offroading if he so chooses.

Problem is, the people who live in close proximity to these lands and who usually have a commercial interest in using them have a heightened sense of entitlement to use those lands. Partly due to proximity, but also partly due to the fact that - in the Bundy family's case - they've usually been using them without permission or without paying, anyway.

I think the people’s interests would be much better served if the states owned and controlled that acreage.

Yeah, because if a federal government agency like the USFWS is as "retaliatory" and vindictive as you claim, a state government agency would be so much better...:rolleyes:

BTW, that "retaliatory" and vindictive nature I just mentioned has been clearly evidenced by all the actions taken by the USFWS since this all started: essentially none.

Keep in mind that this agency is led by the former head of REI, who is about as aggressive as a teddy bear, so not only is the agency's reaction to armed idiots taking over their facilities an expected one, I really don't think they have the backbone that would be required to bully people into selling land, put people out of business, etc., a la some Hollywood-esque story line. Yeah, it makes for a great David-vs.-Goliath tale for the anti-fed crowd, but I don't buy it - not when the agency won't enforce criminal laws on their own property. I don't think they have it in them.
 
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From a legal standpoint, there is no expectation of privacy for anyone in a public place to not be video recorded. Police or otherwise. At the mall, at the park, in a store, whatever. Anything you can see with your eyes in a public place, you can video.

Yes and No.

Unfortunately in several states, it is illegal as of today to record police even from a distance. People have been put in jail for recording their police stops. Most of those laws were made years ago and are not relevent for today's technology age.

New laws, despite the headline are trending towards enabling the citizenry to make recordings. Especially in light of the last 2 years of police vs protestors crap.
 
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Next time you get stopped by a park ranger while wheeling, or have your camp sight inspected, or get asked to consent to a search of your pack, be sure to mention "This Federal land belongs to ALL of us... and we can enjoy it whenever we want!" Hahahaha. That will not get you far. Belonging to everyone means it belongs to no one. I would rather use the lost art of "interpersonal skills" to meet, greet, and ask for responsible access to a ranchers private land in exchange for payment or a weekend of work helping with one of their many projects... Like it used to be in the old days.

That's not what I'm saying. I actually have no problem with rules being enforced because while the land belongs to everyone, that means it's shared, so one person doesn't get to conduct themselves contrary to rules which exist for the good of the resource.

As for a system of using interpersonal skills to do ANYthing in this country, that'd be nice, but lots of luck. Every time I see someone under 30 they're busy texting. I'm actually to the point where, if someone in that age bracket actually looks me in the eye during a conversation, I'm so impressed that I get a brief feeling of vertigo and need to sit down.
 

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