I just installed 5100s with stock coils on 1.75 setting with cornfed 1" in rear. My prelift measurements were approx 20" front and 22" rear. After driving approx 20 miles post lift I'm measuring approx 22.5" front and 23" rear. Is it common to get more than 1.75" on 3rd setting? Spring seats were installed correctly. This is a 4x4 SR5. I did also go from 265 to 275s at the same time but my understanding is that center hub to fender measurements shouldn't make a difference with tire size.
More than 1.75" lift with 5100s on 3rd setting?
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Simpleman74
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sounds like it was either installed on th e4th notch or it was torqued prior to lowering the vehicle on the ground... oem coils?
Simpleman74
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post a picture of the shock/coil seat
codyHTX
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[MENTION=122817]4OYOTER[/MENTION] everything in the pics seems to look OK: perch is not on upside down, lowest end of spring perch is facing the rear, both c-clips on the 3rd notch, spring is seated properly on the perch.
repair manual:
install the lower shock nut temporarily (not to full torque), stabilize suspension (lower the vehicle, bounce the vehicle up and down several times to stabilize the suspension), then tighten the lower shock nut to 70 ft-lbf.
the front lower ball joint attachment on the LCA should be fully torqued to 118 ft-lbf prior to stabilizing suspension
the upper shock bolt is fully torqued to the top hat at 18 ft-lbf prior to re-installation on the vehicle (entire shock/coil assembly is described as being removed together in the manual)
so i would recommend lifting the front, loosening the lower shock bolts some, lowering the front, stabilizing the suspension as the manual describes, re-torquing to 70 ft-lbf, then driving around a little to see how it all settles.
repair manual:
install the lower shock nut temporarily (not to full torque), stabilize suspension (lower the vehicle, bounce the vehicle up and down several times to stabilize the suspension), then tighten the lower shock nut to 70 ft-lbf.
the front lower ball joint attachment on the LCA should be fully torqued to 118 ft-lbf prior to stabilizing suspension
the upper shock bolt is fully torqued to the top hat at 18 ft-lbf prior to re-installation on the vehicle (entire shock/coil assembly is described as being removed together in the manual)
so i would recommend lifting the front, loosening the lower shock bolts some, lowering the front, stabilizing the suspension as the manual describes, re-torquing to 70 ft-lbf, then driving around a little to see how it all settles.
toku58
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I was wondering why the top hat bolts looked like it was never removed?
Did you have the alignment done yet?
That will change the height as well.
Thanks for the replies! While I did torque the lower shock bolt while it was on the ground I didn't bounce the truck before doing so. It might be worth another shot to redo, but I'm weary that would make a difference on ride height. I have torqued that lower shock bolt before lowering the vehicle on other Toyotas and never had a problem.
If the upper center shock bolt is over torqued do you think that would cause any problems? I just used a wrench and tried to scrunch the rubber as it looked before.
I haven't had an alignment yet. That is set for Wednesday.
If the upper center shock bolt is over torqued do you think that would cause any problems? I just used a wrench and tried to scrunch the rubber as it looked before.
I haven't had an alignment yet. That is set for Wednesday.
Crikeymike
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That's correct, it takes tire and wheel size out of the equation.
How much actual difference is there between the lowest setting the and 3rd notch? 5mm on the strut equals about 10mm on the wheel, so if the notch is 1.25" taller than stock, then 2.5" out at the wheel would make sense for lift height.
Just got my alignment done at the Toyota dealer. I asked to please try to get caster as high as possible while trying to keep camber and toe as close to 0 as possible. It took over two hours and the advisor came back saying the techs had a tough time. They did one alignment, test drove, then did another. They state I am maxed out on 1.6 caster. I am very surprised. The main reason I opted to do 1.75" setting instead of 2.5" was because I wanted to have a good alignment and not worry about needing UCAs. Does this seem right? Should I have the other local Toyota dealer take a second look? I also noticed my steering wheel is now slightly to the right was driving straight.
I have attached both alignment sheets they gave me in order.
I have attached both alignment sheets they gave me in order.
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hawaiianryan
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I'm running the same set up with stock UCAs and 265s and this is the numbers I got.
4runneraddict15
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I just did this same lift (with .75" corfed spacers in the rear) and the alignment shop was able to get my caster to 3.25 with camber and toe in spec. Franks Wheel Aligning in Fort Worth if you're willing to travel.
*EDIT: For what it's worth, I seem to have got around 2" (maybe more) in the front. Front fenders sit at 37" and rear at 38" on 265/70 (Stock Size) BFG KO2s LRC
*EDIT: For what it's worth, I seem to have got around 2" (maybe more) in the front. Front fenders sit at 37" and rear at 38" on 265/70 (Stock Size) BFG KO2s LRC
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Well it sure sounds like I wasted 2 hours hoping the Toyota dealer was a good place for alignments.. Trying to decide if I want to take it back to them and ask if there is a more experienced tech who can take a look, or go somewhere else. Unfortunately I haven't been impressed with anybody in my area.
4runnin4mylife
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You need to just keep looking for a good alignment shop! It took me a while to find a good one too. It's all about the technician doing the work. With your lift, there should be no reason to not be able to get above at least 2.5 caster. Keep looking... You will find the shop that can do it properly! Also, I would just tell them to get the caster as close to 4 as possible and then just make sure camber and toe are within spec when you look at the final alignment sheet. I would rather have everything within spec than one thing close to perfect and something else out of spec. If they can just get everything to come back green you will be good. Don't worry about caster being super close to 4 or camber and toe being right at 0.
I ended up talking with the service manager at the Toyota dealer, who set up a time for the shop foreman to take another look at my alignment. The foreman immediately looked at my lower eccentrics and said only one of them was maxed out, so there must be "something going on here". About an hour later I see my 4Runner drive by, and I'm thinking, oh good he is already done and test driving. Another hour goes by and I still haven't heard anything. I check in with the manager who was helping me and they tell me to come out to the shop.
My 4Runner is on the rack with the foreman underneath. He asks if my wheels are aftermarket, to which I reply no, they are OEM factory wheels from an FJ cruiser. He then states that because my wheels have a different offset and my tires are larger he cannot go off of stock alignment setttings and must start all over on a "custom alignment". I then get the spiel about how they are not an off-road shop and I can't expect them to get my alignment right on my off-road modified vehicle.
At this point it has been over two hours (again) and I wasn't planning on being there longer than that, so I arrange a rental car. I finally get a phone call, now over 5 hours since my appointment time, saying it was ready and the foreman got me in the green at 2.5 caster.
I am a little skeptical of my final numbers, because the time stamp on the report shows 10:30am, which would have been 1.5 hours after I brought the vehicle there, and before he had to "start all over". I don't notice much difference in the ride, other than my steering wheel is finally centered. I was also expecting some new rub on my front fender liners after gaining more caster, but none was noticed. What do you guys think of this total of 7 hours at the Toyota dealer alignment?
My 4Runner is on the rack with the foreman underneath. He asks if my wheels are aftermarket, to which I reply no, they are OEM factory wheels from an FJ cruiser. He then states that because my wheels have a different offset and my tires are larger he cannot go off of stock alignment setttings and must start all over on a "custom alignment". I then get the spiel about how they are not an off-road shop and I can't expect them to get my alignment right on my off-road modified vehicle.
At this point it has been over two hours (again) and I wasn't planning on being there longer than that, so I arrange a rental car. I finally get a phone call, now over 5 hours since my appointment time, saying it was ready and the foreman got me in the green at 2.5 caster.
I am a little skeptical of my final numbers, because the time stamp on the report shows 10:30am, which would have been 1.5 hours after I brought the vehicle there, and before he had to "start all over". I don't notice much difference in the ride, other than my steering wheel is finally centered. I was also expecting some new rub on my front fender liners after gaining more caster, but none was noticed. What do you guys think of this total of 7 hours at the Toyota dealer alignment?
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mrblah
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Honestly, if you aren't experiencing anything negative, I'd be happy with the installation and alignment.
7 hours for alignment sounds about right, if they were trying to push for specific numbers. I know adjusting for caster can be a pain in the butt. It took 6 hours to adjust my aftermarket UCA's to my specs, and I watched them do it...so it can take a while.
I would listen to advice of your Toyota dealer and members on this forum, take it to a dedicated tire/alignment shop or offroad shop to do your alignment in the future. I'd also recommend buying a lifetime alignment deal from a local tire place...it will pay for itself.
the vehicle will settle over time, so don't worry to much about the extra height.
7 hours for alignment sounds about right, if they were trying to push for specific numbers. I know adjusting for caster can be a pain in the butt. It took 6 hours to adjust my aftermarket UCA's to my specs, and I watched them do it...so it can take a while.
I would listen to advice of your Toyota dealer and members on this forum, take it to a dedicated tire/alignment shop or offroad shop to do your alignment in the future. I'd also recommend buying a lifetime alignment deal from a local tire place...it will pay for itself.
the vehicle will settle over time, so don't worry to much about the extra height.
samwhich
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How'd this end up, did you end up loosening/ retorquing to see if that dropped the front at all?
