Most budget "Overland" / camping trailer

The Livinlite Rock Climber is pretty nice. I think is around $9000.

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https://www.livinlite.com/products/quicksilver-rock-climber-tent-campers/
 
Your totally wrong...M416 are to the same price or more then an M101A2 are up to...and besides, why pay more to short yourself on room?

Dude what are you even talking about?

Where did I ever specify anything comparing the price of the two?

I said for our vehicles, the M416 is more common (because they weigh about 550 lbs empty vs the mammoth M101A2 at 1350 lbs empty)

Maybe you like to carry the kitchen sink with you, but 800 lbs on a vehicle that's a dog to begin with is no small feat, especially when people pay hundreds and hundreds of dollars going aluminum vs steel just to save a very small fraction of that amount of weight.

When towing off road, weight and size make a big difference.

I never said anything about the price comparing the two and "gasp" I agree that M416's cost about the same (and are usually harder to find because they're what everyone with a vehicle smaller than a half ton pickup usually uses)
 
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Towing & RRT Trailer?

Anyone aware of a trailer that I could tow a Harley or a Side by Size like a Polaris RZR, with bars already built to I can throw a RTT on top of the harley?

Would be cool to road trip, take stops and ride. If I can't find something like this, or turns out it would be too heavy for the 4runner, i'm for sure going tear drop.
 
Anyone aware of a trailer that I could tow a Harley or a Side by Size like a Polaris RZR, with bars already built to I can throw a RTT on top of the harley?

Would be cool to road trip, take stops and ride. If I can't find something like this, or turns out it would be too heavy for the 4runner, i'm for sure going tear drop.

Not for a RTT but it has its own tent:

Tent Trailers | Jumping Jack Trailers
 
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Dude what are you even talking about?

Where did I ever specify anything comparing the price of the two?

I said for our vehicles, the M416 is more common (because they weigh about 550 lbs empty vs the mammoth M101A2 at 1350 lbs empty)

Maybe you like to carry the kitchen sink with you, but 800 lbs on a vehicle that's a dog to begin with is no small feat, especially when people pay hundreds and hundreds of dollars going aluminum vs steel just to save a very small fraction of that amount of weight.

When towing off road, weight and size make a big difference.

I never said anything about the price comparing the two and "gasp" I agree that M416's cost about the same (and are usually harder to find because they're what everyone with a vehicle smaller than a half ton pickup usually uses)

"dude"

For your edification....the M101A2/3 -M116A2/3 is about the same track as a 4runner (within inches). The 416's are considerably smaller, hard to find, have limited space, and yes, are maybe easier to use on a trail after a total axle swap and 33's...but I could count on one hand the amount of guys that would actually take one on a trail...most people want to have more luxuries with them, hence the trailer in the first place. Most 416's/M100 trailers in the 500-100 dollar range, at least around here, need massive amounts of work

Most of these guys will never make it past a fire road, let along a trail.

My trailer is 2600#'s full, and unless you're going straight up a hill, you never know it's back there.
 
Years ago I built a trailer to pull with my Cherokee that wasn't quite "overland" purposed but was a general utility trailer and meant to be a bug out trailer of sorts if needed. It got plenty of use hauling lumber, appliances, etc. Theory was if we wanted to head to the hills we could load it with whatever gear we wanted or needed and drag it along with the Cherokee.

I purposely built it using an extra Cherokee Rear Axle and same size tires. Also built to the same ride height. I installed an extra set of rear shocks as well. Theory being that one spare tire would cover everything and in an emergency the trailer provided extra axle parts and tires to keep the rig moving forward.

Plan was to mount the fuel cans, an extra driveline, and my extra complete front axle shafts. (My rig used a front driveline in both front and rear so one spare driveline went a long ways. The complete axle shafts took minimal space and made replacing on the trail so much easier. No U joints to mess with, just three bolts.

I ended up totaling the Cherokee on black ice one day, bought a full size truck, and never needed the trailer any more so sold it to a friend.

It started as an old utility trailer that we had sitting around. Probably cost less than $200 to buy if I had to. Did the work myself. Pretty budget. Extra parts were used. I bet I had maybe $200-$300 into it.

Axle mounted. New tongue and bracing with modern trailer coupler.
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Decked with 2x6's from home depot.
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Since my trailer was being built and I didn't feel like stacking lumber in the rack of the Cherokee I used my minitruck to get the lumber. Of all the shit removed from this truck it still has tie down points in the bed, which is about 4" shallower than a stock Mazda bed. This was on the old wheels/tires.
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Threw some deck stain I had on the boards to try and protect them a little.
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Just used plywood for the sides. Budget and easy. Painted with a color called "wild rice" that we still use randomly around. My dog's house is painted with it too.
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I finally went the m416 route. Found it on Craigslist after a long and patient search, but almost went m101 due to the price and availability. Build will be updated in my thread soon.
Quick and Dirty:
Refurbished 1967 m416
Axle swap:3500 lb dexter with matching Toyota hubs, e-brakes (not connected) and manual parking break, spidertrax hubcentric spacers.
Wheels: FJ Cruiser 17” Steel
Tires: 265 70r 17 Falken Wildpeak
Custom Full-length Fenders/Sidesteps

Future Plans:Adjustable height rack that will be anchored in to custom steps/fenders.

All total less than $4k.

Just finished 1,500 mike trip with it up the Blue Ridge. Towed well up to 75mph Highway and very well off-road light to moderate trails.

MPG hit: about 1-2 mpg less than RTT mounted on the roof, but the trailer was fully loaded with stuff for our family of 4 plus dog camping for 5 day’s and staying 2 weeks with family up in Maryland.
 

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I found a pop-up (Fleetwood Neon) with a set of 32”s. You can pick these up for a few thousand. The wife loves it (like a little house) as it gets her out of the weather and I like it because of the clearance and weight (under 1500lbs). Remember, if you buy a traditional pop-up or similar (Scamp, Burro, etc) you’ll need to do some reinforcement.
 


I found a pop-up (Fleetwood Neon) with a set of 32”s. You can pick these up for a few thousand. The wife loves it (like a little house) as it gets her out of the weather and I like it because of the clearance and weight (under 1500lbs). Remember, if you buy a traditional pop-up or similar (Scamp, Burro, etc) you’ll need to do some reinforcement.

where did you find it, i've been doing periodic searched for neons for years
 
Tent trailer camping and teardrops

There are a lot of good ideas here for cargo trailers that have been adapted for camping.

If you have 4 adults in the car you need a trailer for all the camping gear. Unless you're going backpacking and everything you need fits in your pack.

Any more, my wife and I are the only ones in the vehicle. We're usually tent camping with simple camping gear. It all fits in the T4R. Here in So Cal you need a good tent that can be staked and guyed against the wind. In the deserts it can come up unexpectedly. I've been camping in Anza Borrego when the wind came up and everyone else's tent blew over except mine. I have a good 3 season tent that I had staked in every direction.

So if I'm going to pull a trailer I don't want to sleep in a canvas tent. I want a teardrop trailer. I posted links to 5 good teardrop trailers on the first page of this thread.
 
There are a lot of good ideas here for cargo trailers that have been adapted for camping.

If you have 4 adults in the car you need a trailer for all the camping gear. Unless you're going backpacking and everything you need fits in your pack.

Any more, my wife and I are the only ones in the vehicle. We're usually tent camping with simple camping gear. It all fits in the T4R. Here in So Cal you need a good tent that can be staked and guyed against the wind. In the deserts it can come up unexpectedly. I've been camping in Anza Borrego when the wind came up and everyone else's tent blew over except mine. I have a good 3 season tent that I had staked in every direction.

So if I'm going to pull a trailer I don't want to sleep in a canvas tent. I want a teardrop trailer. I posted links to 5 good teardrop trailers on the first page of this thread.

I actually bought these below and they stabilized the trailer extremely well on our current trip through some pretty intense thunderstorms.

I like that I can move them around to wherever I need them (not welded or locked in place). They aren’t lift/jack stands but there is little or no wobble to the trailer with 2 adults and 2 kids with a dog sleeping above it when positioned under the frame rails or bumper.

Husky 81079 16" - 28" Slide-Out Adjustable Stabilizer - Pair https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00FS3C8AO/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_rbowBb9D5EFB4


Offroad trailers shouldn't be using ball hitches, unless your offroading consists of trips to the mall.
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I have been pleasantly surprised with how well the pintel is working as of now. The one thing I did learn was that with the pintel/lunette you need lots of weight in front of the axle >60% and at least 10-15% of the GVW should be tounge weight or else sway over 40 mph is really bad. When the weight is distributed properly it tows great, just a little clunky off road.
 

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