Most Capable Off Road Vehicle

gonzo

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Since this topic seems to rear its ugly head so often, it was suggested that someone make a thread and address the issue.

The question is: in your opinion, what is the MOST capable off-road vehicle?

Of course there will be some subjectivity involved, as peoples' definition of the word 'capable' is not necessarily the same, but then again, that is the point.

I figure that I would set up a few 'ground rules' so that we are all choosing from the same population of 4x4s. Here goes . . .

1. We are talking about new vehicles, not a specific fj that was built in '73, but something that you could still by brand new, today.

2. This comparison is for stock vehicles, that means no mods.

3. Please limit your selection to vehicles that are sold in the U.S. and Canada. I apologize to others across the globe but, in the interest of leveling the playing field, this seems to make sense. There are many models that are specific to regions around the world that are unavailable here and, therefore, people are unaware of them. Nominating a specific land cruiser that is available in the United Arab Emirates means nothing to people who are not familiar with it.

4. Price is not a factor, nor is dependability, we are simply talking about the most capable vehicle. Obviously a lot of us here are partial to 4runners for a variety of reasons. I ask you to put aside your bias and try to be as objective as possible. Think about rock crawling, dune blazing, rain forest trails, granite cliffs, deep rivers and, yes, even mud pits.

As to the format, I suggest you state the vehicle that you nominate and provide a brief reason why you think that your selection stands out from the competition. I did not do this in poll format so as not to limit then number of nominees.

While there are a lot of vehicles to choose from, I suspect that this thread will focus on a select few. Feel free to lend your support to a vehicle that has already been nominated, just nominate it again!

Hope this is fun . . .
 
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Easy: Jeep Wrangler Rubicon. It has Dana 44 front & rear axles, gear-based lockers in front & rear axles with Torsen LSD, tremendous low-range (and crawl ratio, esp. with the new 6-speed manual in '05), small enough to squeeze into any place, and affordable enough to not mind trail damage.

I can't think of ANY vehicle in the world that would match the Rubicon in off-roading. The Defender does not come with lockers from the factory...and reliability might be even worst than Jeep!:p

Hummer H1 does have lockers as option but it is simply too big for American off-roading. However, if you're talking about desert or deep mud driving, then H1 is superior to anything else on the planet. (Rubicon is more for slow-pace rock crawling or narrow rough trails.)

So, it depends on terrain...Rubicon or H1. That would be my two pick.
 
What about the MB G-Wagon? It's one of the last fully locked (at 3 points). This vehicle has not changed much in the years because it's still one of the best :)

I thought Thai would be the first to say that?

The rubicon which has a nice array of cool stuff might be nice but I've read that alot of owners are having problems w/ the lockers breaking on them (inferior parts) or something like that. But for the price compared to the g-wagon it's a steal. Personally speaking, I'll say the rubicon is way overpriced though (hehe).
 
IMHO

this is the best


1. G-Wagon

2. Landcruiser my preference FZJ80 with lockers

3. 4runner Fully locked

4. Rubicon (least realiable)
 
H1, G, and Rubicon are my 3 nominees - but picking which one is "most capable off road vehicle" would require extensive testing on my part - Thai can I borrow the keys to your G :p
 
I really don't know much at all on this subject (hence why I am not nominating but asking :) )but where do the Land Rover's stand against this list?
 
The wrangler’s wheel-base and other dimensions make it a favorite for off-roaders. I have never driven the Mercedes Benz Unimog, but I would probably fall in love with the 8-speed, 6cyl turbo diesel with P315/80R22.5 wheels. And it has Differential lock, rear (standard), front (optional).

www.unimogtrucks.com/default.asp
 
I'd have to say something from the Land Rover factory will be right up there at the top of the list, along with the ranks of the Rubicon and the G-Wagon.
 
H1 and Rubicon takes my vote, for US market availibility. SOrt of first tier.

Second tier would be G, Range ROver, Land ROver (Discovery and new LR3), LC100.

Then 3rd tier would probably be 4R, Grand Cherokee, can't think of anything else maybe VW and Posrche.

ANything else would be a strech off road. The grand cherokee might make tier2 for having solid axles, supposedly good traction system, but honestly I have yet to see one on a trail. The H2 might make tier2 if they fix some stuff on it, until then for me they fall in mall cruising group.
 
bulldog-yota said:
H1 and Rubicon takes my vote, for US market availibility. SOrt of first tier.

Second tier would be G, Range ROver, Land ROver (Discovery and new LR3), LC100.

Then 3rd tier would probably be 4R, Grand Cherokee, can't think of anything else maybe VW and Posrche.

ANything else would be a strech off road. The grand cherokee might make tier2 for having solid axles, supposedly good traction system, but honestly I have yet to see one on a trail. The H2 might make tier2 if they fix some stuff on it, until then for me they fall in mall cruising group.

Agreed. I would debate the H1 however, it has many drawbacks due to it's size and while it can go over everything, it just can't fit on many trails. I would say they're in the second tier just because of that. Other than that I'd say that's pretty much spot on to what I was thinking. From what I hear the VW & Porsche are very capable, though I've never seen one in action. Might belong in the second tier if what I hear is true, but again haven't really witnessed one to say.
 
Third Tier!?!?!? You mean I bought a lemon? :awais:

My consolation is that this is only looking at a single aspect of a vehicle. So, while I was thinking about a Rover, the thinking stopped after a review of all the problems people seem to have with them. I REALLY like reliable trucks. A 1st tier truck that breaks down in the middle of your trip gets some negatives for capability in my book.

I also thought about the Jeep, but didn't get far enough to check out the reliability issue. The Jeep is just too small for me. The H1 and G are just too big (and too expensive). The 4Runner is just right (in terms of size).

So, what would happen to the ranking of the 4Runner if you took a 4th Gen, added a 2-3" lift, slightly larger and more aggressive tires, and an ARB rear locker? Would that bump it up a notch? Just curious as that's what I'm planning on doing.
 
Reliability?

I guess you guys never really had jeeps huh, I used to question the reliability of Jeeps until I had two, both of them were on all original motors, drove hard as hell by me, and both made it to over 200 thousand miles. On top of that the first one I had, which was a 4 banger, pushed 33"s on stock gearing its whole life from about 10,000 miles. Never had any problems with reliability.

My votes are as such:

Any Unimog takes first. You have to see these things in action to truly appreciate them. I watched a group of them go through Moab while I was farting around in my 86 SAS Runner a few years back.

Then would be a pretty close tie between the H1 and the Rubicon, they are better for particular things. The Landcruisers are pretty impressive too. Considering they are always picked for the Antartic expeditions, but they are to Luxury like for me.

T Out
 
Faeylyn said:
So, what would happen to the ranking of the 4Runner if you took a 4th Gen, added a 2-3" lift, slightly larger and more aggressive tires, and an ARB rear locker? Would that bump it up a notch? Just curious as that's what I'm planning on doing.


You just described Goodtimes 4th gen. I gotta say his rig would be able to compete with any of the above mention contendors.
 
Ok, a few points:

1. G-wagen is no bigger than the 3rd gen 4runner in terms of width and length. Thus, G500 is SMALLER than the 4th gen 4runner. It does weigh a lot more than 4runner (5500 vs. 4200 lbs).

2. Land Rover products are good. With the exception of the Defender, the other LR products (RR, Disco, Freelander) are not as hardcore. Defender is quite impressive for a stock vehicle. The ONLY thing that RR and Discovery are better than 4runner is wheel travel/articulation. I am going to withhold opinion on the LR3 until it comes out.

3. Jeep GC's QuadraDrive system is no more effective than a LSD system. Therefore, it is no more effective than ATRAC on the 4runner...and maybe inferior to it. Read the latter part of this thread for more info:

http://www.toyota-4runner.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=57

4. IMO, G-wagen and Defender should be up in the first tier..but then, i am a little bit biased! :D

5. Don't forget, out of all the vehicles mentioned, only TWO have true gear-based lockers as standard equipment: Rubicon and G-wagen. H1 has them as option.

6. BTW, the rear locker on the VW Touareg is CLUTCH-based which is not good for someone who wants to off-road frequently. Clutches wear and tear. Same thing with Jeep's QuadraDrive...clutches wear! And those things are not cheap to replace!

7. H2 is a joke. Big, heavy, and weak running gears are it's major deficits! It is simply too heavy for it's running gears. Did anyone see the video where it broke down over rocks?? It's a damn Suburban on heels! Here is the link to the video where H2 broke down over rocks:

http://www.4x4movies.com/download/pafiledb/pafiledb.php?action=file&id=74

Thanks.
 

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