OFFTOSLEEP
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Haven't seen any of these mounted on a 3rd Gen. Is it doable?
Mounting a Warn 8274
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txbonds
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Why not. All you need is the right bumper design.
T4Rfirefighter
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I rebuild 8274s as a hobby and wanted so badly to use one on my T4R, but the only options I have found are to cut the grille extensively or mount it way out in front.
My CBI hybrid front bumper looks like it could be modified pretty easily to mount the 8274, but the top of the winch would nearly be to the hood. As a result, I bought a M8000 and plan to run it unless I see a better option for a 8274 on a T4R.
My CBI hybrid front bumper looks like it could be modified pretty easily to mount the 8274, but the top of the winch would nearly be to the hood. As a result, I bought a M8000 and plan to run it unless I see a better option for a 8274 on a T4R.
the great him
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great winch, but why run it? there are other just as good winches that fit better and offer just as good or better features. sure it has a huge amount of cable, and a fast line speed, but both of those two things can be drawbacks when it comes to winching...
infamousRNR
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Winches
Is there a thread I should be looking at for recommended winches with after market bumpers?....
What should you look for when purchasing a winch.???
I am def looking for synthetic line, not steel cable
Is there a thread I should be looking at for recommended winches with after market bumpers?....
What should you look for when purchasing a winch.???
I am def looking for synthetic line, not steel cable
the great him
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i dont think there is a specific thread on winches persay yet... lol
as a rule of thumb you want a winch with a remote control pack/box, not one with an integrated pack for warn this means you want a m8000, not a m8000i or you want an xd9000, not a xd9000i... basically you do not want a warn winch that has the "i" identifier, that "i" stands for integrated. to put the winch in a bumper you will need to be able to remotely mount the control box. most all winch manufactures make both style winches, ramsey, superwinch, warn, engo, comeup, tjm, mile marker, smittybuilt, ect ect ect. as a rule of thumb you want a winch that is half again the GVW of your rig. so say that your vehicle weighs 4500lbs but its gross vehicle weight(GVW) is 6000lbs. a 8000lb winch is not going to be big enough to work for you, you will need a 9000lb winch. realistically you should get a 10k lbs winch.
a winches power/pull rating is measured at the bottom layer of line(cable or synthetic)on the drum. so just because it says its a 9000lb winch does not always mean it will pull 9000lbs. it will only pull that if you have like 90% of the line spooled out. for each layer of cable you have wrapped or stacked on the drum of the winch you lose pulling power. im not sure the exact mathematical calculation or numbers but its like 10% basically.
https://www.warn.com/truck/winches/src/XD9000.shtml
most winches come with 100' of cable or like 80/85' of synthetic line, synthetic line is thicker and thus the winch drum can typically not hold as much(also synthetic drums are different from cable drums and you should not run synthetic rope on a winch designed for cable -the head will eat the synthetic line and destroy it. synthetic winches have thicker drums to dissipate the heat and protect the rope). personaly i do not like synthetic rope and prefer steel cable. i have seen both break, and i see more synthetic line break than i do steel cable, plus the steel is much more resistant to abuse -you can drag it through the mud, over rocks step on it, drive over it ect ect. you just have to make sure you spool it nicely at the end of the day. synthetic you have to treat it like a lady(one you want to stick around anyhow), you can let it drag in the mud, you cant let it slid across rocks or dirt or anything really(snow maybe). but road spray and UV rays will eat a synthetic line as well so it needs to be cleaned periodically even if not used. and if it is used it needs to be cleaned and inspected at the end of the day. there are just as many draw backs to synthetic as there are pluses, and if you ask me the draw backs by far out weigh the advantages of it. but thats just me(i would consider myself to be someone who does a fair amount of winching. though some of the guys i go wheeling with -guys who work at warn industries, those guys winch a lot more than i do. and 90% of them run steel cable if that says anything)
when it comes to speed of a winch, i used to be of the mindset, the faster the better... well yeah thats cool when you are 16 and wheeling in some farmers fields or other wise some place you should not be... faster theoretically will get you out quicker, but we are talking like seconds here, not really a big issue. the bigger issue is a faster winch can cause damage faster, and if you ask me thats more serious than getting caught. when you rip apart your winch or rig because you cant stop your winch in time or heaven forbid its your hand that gets caught when you are respooling your line at the end of the day...,yeah no thanks ill just take my sweet slow time. slow is smooth, smooth is fast. a fast winch will lead to mistakes and thus causing more time in the long run. sure the 8274 has a ridiculously fast line speed, but that is mainly for competition. that winch is still being used today by competitors all across the globe. there is a reason it is still being made(its the oldest winch in warns stable and they have no thoughts on retiring it anytime soon), its a work horse and it kicks butt. i have seen several of these beast working and they are awesome for what they do -competition(and im not talking KOH or rock crawling racing -think camel trophy). they offer half again the amount of cable as most other winches, again for long pulls sometimes seen in competitions. but with that long pull means you will need to pull a lot of cable to get a good pulling power(sure you can use a snatch block but you just cut your speed in half -kinda defeating the point of the "fast" winch...
look for a winch that used a "contactor" over "solenoid" in its electrical controls. the contactor is much more robust and reliable. while solenoids were the industry standard for many years, the contactor is far superior and less prone to fatigue or harsh elements. when it comes down to it, buy a winch that is in your budget, but dont go cheap. id rather have a used name brand winch over a new budget winch, even if it has a warranty -that warranty wont pull you out of a mud hole or a ditch, a working winch will. the cheap brands like CSI, Chicago, Smittybuilt ect all are just that a budget built winch. they use cheap components that are marginal at best. so what if you have a 15 or 20 year old warn or superwinch. tear it apart(super easy and not that complex) and take a look-see, clean up things that look dirty, grease the grears and moving parts(not the brake) and replace the old solenoids (if it uses them) with new units and maybe add a little rtv to the control box and you are good to go for another 15 years. you now have $4-500 into a winch that would cost you $800-1000 if you went out and bought it new. or if you must buy new, buy warns VR8000/10000 series. its the exact same thing as the m8000/10000 was 5 years ago but its almost half the cost of a m8000/10000.
i use warn as an example for a couple reason here, one they are kinda the benchmark and industry standard, and two they are local to me. i work 15min from their plant, and so it was a no brainer for me to buy one of their winches(i have bought all of my winches used btw) and that way if there ever is a problem i can just take it to them and dont have to worry about shipping a 80lb brick across the country. their customer service is top notch and they have always treated me with respect and gone the extra mile to make sure their customer and product is working -and they know i didnt buy the winch(es) brand new. there also is engo and comeup winch that are local to me and would be my second choices for a winch just based on location -again think shipping an 80lb brick, and i like to deal with a person face to face for issues with something, not over the phone or via emails. so something you might want to consider if you love in Florida is mile marker, if you live in Connecticut or the surrounding areas id buy a Superwinch, or if you live in Oklahoma or close by id get a Ramsey...
hope this helps. if you have more questions feel free to ask
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OFFTOSLEEP
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I can't say that I've ever found a situation where I said to myself "I wish to have less winch cable to deal with and and this thing is too fast!"
But maybe I could be wrong.
the great him
Elite Member
i have had to do this with my xd9000 on a couple of occations
i find myself saying both fairly often... but i do also live where trees are more in the way than too far away. and again slow is smooth and smooth is fast. nothing worse than winching too fast and rolling a vehicle or sending it into a rock or tree.
i guess its all in where you live or wheel. if you are out in the desert and you just sink down in some sand or get stuck in some soft stuff(snow sand mud ect) and have nothing around you to worry about and just need to be pulled out then yeah sure faster is ok. but when you are dealing with a compound recovery ie trees, rocks, off camber ect speed becomes an enemy if you are not careful
OFFTOSLEEP
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KidVermicious
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Badass post, [MENTION=60147]the great him[/MENTION], somebody should sticky that. I agree with a lot of your points regarding steel vs. synthetic. Just to play devils advocate though, I'll add a couple more on the flip side.
You can field splice a broken synthetic rope, but not a wire rope. There are weight savings to synthetic rope that you don't get with wire rope. Synthetic rope has less mass, which means it's safer than wire rope when it breaks. And synthetic rope won't drive two inches of wire under your skin and make you teach your seven year old new swear words when you forget to wear your leather gloves while handing the line (mother F*CKER but that shit hurt).
I don't think either is always going to be better than the other for everybody in every situation.
You can field splice a broken synthetic rope, but not a wire rope. There are weight savings to synthetic rope that you don't get with wire rope. Synthetic rope has less mass, which means it's safer than wire rope when it breaks. And synthetic rope won't drive two inches of wire under your skin and make you teach your seven year old new swear words when you forget to wear your leather gloves while handing the line (mother F*CKER but that shit hurt).
I don't think either is always going to be better than the other for everybody in every situation.
the great him
Elite Member
thanks, i went ahead and made a thread about winches...
http://www.toyota-4runner.org/off-r...ring-winch-what-one-best-you.html#post1884556
ill continue to update it as i see fit
infamousRNR
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[MENTION=60147]the great him[/MENTION]
dude what awesome detail!!
thanks for this response...
new LEXO is looking way mean with them tundra/sequoia rims...
love it!
dude what awesome detail!!
thanks for this response...
new LEXO is looking way mean with them tundra/sequoia rims...
love it!
