MPG loss?

IrmoRabbidMoose

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What's up guys, new guy here to the forum but not to 4Runner's. Recently had new tires put on my runner due to my old ones being racing slicks. I removed 235/75/15 and replaced with 31/10.5/15 all terrains. I got a 4 wheel alignment along with the tires balanced. I noticed my mileage has dropped pretty significantly. Is this normal? I know the tires are bigger but I didn't realize it would affect it this much. I'm a firm believer in preventative maintenance and do so religiously so I've checked everything. This is a sr5 2wd truck. Any suggestions?
 
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Yeah I know about the speed differences, I've just been staring at the gas gauge. Lol. It drops a lot quicker and I went from 250-270 a tank to about 200. [emoji31]
 
How many gallons are you putting in? You know about the fuel gauges being notoriously innacurate right? Our tanks hold 18.5 gallons if my memory is any good.

I can get over 300 miles a tank with stock sized tires but my fuel gauge is off. When it drops down to the "E" with the light on I still have 5 gallons left.
 
I know it's bad to top off because of the charcoal filter, but I'm pretty sure mine's already ruined, so I do it anyways, not uncommon to get 300+ out of a tank, and that's with 33's. Even hit 350 once when I had 265/70R16
 
I don't follow the gauge to a "T" but I've noticed it plummeting a lot faster than usual is all I'm saying along with the mileage drop. Every now and again I run a tank of premium through the truck and that just so happened to be about 3 days ago. Well, I'm at barely over half a tank with only 80 miles on the odometer. It cost me $35 to fill it up at $2.7-something a gallon so roughly 12-13 gallons?
 
Funny I don't think my mph changed when I went up a size on both my 06 Tacoma or 97 4Runner and I thought maybe that was a computer adjustment made but definitely changed when I sized up on my 85 Landcruiser (old technology). I checked all with mph app on phone. Actually come to think of it maybe I didn't check ny 4Runner? Guess I better! Lol
 
How many gallons are you putting in? You know about the fuel gauges being notoriously innacurate right? Our tanks hold 18.5 gallons if my memory is any good.

I can get over 300 miles a tank with stock sized tires but my fuel gauge is off. When it drops down to the "E" with the light on I still have 5 gallons left.

Pretty much the same here but I'm still only 200-250 a tank. No big deal really. It's either two tanks of regular in the 4runner or 1 tank of premium in my car for my weekly commute. Same price at the end of the week.
 
I don't follow the gauge to a "T" but I've noticed it plummeting a lot faster than usual is all I'm saying along with the mileage drop. Every now and again I run a tank of premium through the truck and that just so happened to be about 3 days ago. Well, I'm at barely over half a tank with only 80 miles on the odometer. It cost me $35 to fill it up at $2.7-something a gallon so roughly 12-13 gallons?

Something definitely seems wrong there. You could fill it up just once going all the way to the top (can see the gas at the top of the filler neck) so you can visually confirm the tank is full and know exactly how much gas you've put in, then watch the odo and fuel gauge and learn how they behave. I've had pumps cut off prematurely, that could be what happened to you. No guarantees that won't hurt the charcoal filter, but I can't imagine doing it just once would do harm.

Also, I've heard a couple people talk about running premium fuel through occasionally, what does that do? I'm under the impression that premium fuel isn't good for our trucks unless you're running boost. Also, I've definitely heard running premium without boost will seriously do your mpg's, that could be part of your problem.
 
You didn't say what the difference is in your MPG, but yes, going to a larger tire will almost always hurt MPG. There are some exceptions. Basically you decreased the leverage your engine has, to move the vehicle. So the engine has to work harder (use more gas) to do the same things it did before.

As already mentioned, the increase in tire diameter, which affects how far the vehicle moves per tire revolution, also needs to be taken into account.

You said that your old tires were essentially bald. Going from a tire with little to no tread left, to a new tire with full tread will increase the rolling resistance from the tires.

The rubber was also likely much harder on the old tires, than it was when the tires were new. Old, dried out rubber that doesn't deform as much as it rolls, decreases rolling resistance, but the downside is that traction is also decreased.

Tread pattern also affects rolling resistance. Basically the more aggressive the tread is, the worse the rolling resistance and thus MPG is.

I recall a test of one manufacturers line of light truck tires. They all had the same casing construction, but different tread patterns. The H/T tires got the best MPG. The A/T tires got a bit worse MPG. The M/T tires got the worst MPG.

Lots of people run tires with an aggressive tread, strictly for the look, and never intend to take the vehicle off-road. So whether knowingly or not, they live with the compromise of that aggressive tread on the street.

Some people run a highway tread tire for it's superior on-road characteristics, despite it's relatively sedate tread appearance, and less capable off-road abilities.

Tires are all about compromise. You just need to decide what aspects of a tires characteristics are most important to you.
 
Well you could be right about the premium fuel thing. I like running it through occasionally because that's the only fuel in my town that's "ethanol-free" so I do it and it seems to give the truck a little more pep. It's a personal choice and if your truck runs great on 87, I wouldn't change. I've just always done it cause it makes me feel better [emoji41]

As far as the charcoal filter goes, what is the point of one and what's the damage to the truck if I hurt the filter? Never heard of it before, not to sound ignorant.
 
As far as the charcoal filter goes, what is the point of one and what's the damage to the truck if I hurt the filter? Never heard of it before, not to sound ignorant.

The charcoal filter is what is called an Evaporative Emissions Canister. Gasoline in the tank slowly evaporates. These emissions hurt air quality. So the EVAP canister is there to trap these emissions, until they are ultimately routed back to the engine to be burned.

So it's not about damaging the truck, it's there to keep the air we breathe cleaner.
 
Gotcha. Makes sense. Here in SC they don't care a whole lot about emissions, so I'm assuming that was a CA compliant part added to the 4Runner.
 
You didn't say what the difference is in your MPG, but yes, going to a larger tire will almost always hurt MPG. There are some exceptions. Basically you decreased the leverage your engine has, to move the vehicle. So the engine has to work harder (use more gas) to do the same things it did before.

As already mentioned, the increase in tire diameter, which affects how far the vehicle moves per tire revolution, also needs to be taken into account.

You said that your old tires were essentially bald. Going from a tire with little to no tread left, to a new tire with full tread will increase the rolling resistance from the tires.

The rubber was also likely much harder on the old tires, than it was when the tires were new. Old, dried out rubber that doesn't deform as much as it rolls, decreases rolling resistance, but the downside is that traction is also decreased.

Tread pattern also affects rolling resistance. Basically the more aggressive the tread is, the worse the rolling resistance and thus MPG is.

I recall a test of one manufacturers line of light truck tires. They all had the same casing construction, but different tread patterns. The H/T tires got the best MPG. The A/T tires got a bit worse MPG. The M/T tires got the worst MPG.

Lots of people run tires with an aggressive tread, strictly for the look, and never intend to take the vehicle off-road. So whether knowingly or not, they live with the compromise of that aggressive tread on the street.

Some people run a highway tread tire for it's superior on-road characteristics, despite it's relatively sedate tread appearance, and less capable off-road abilities.

Tires are all about compromise. You just need to decide what aspects of a tires characteristics are most important to you.

Well if we are getting technical, you should through weight differences of larger/smaller tires as well as rotating mass and sprung/unsprung weight in the mix :)

So many variables with tires.
 

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