MPGs vs the new Bronco

[RichinRidgewood]

Bronco is having HUGE top issues. The soft tops are fairly unbecoming as you saw. The non-paint matched MIC tops are having tons of fitment, leakage, and overall quality issues, and now the body color tops wont ship until 2023. Honestly, if I ordered a Bronco last year and got what is shipping I'd be kindof upset for the price. The suspension setup and look is sweet on the Sasquatch, but the regular models look weak overall (you could say the same for Jeep). The interior is fairly cheap looking. I'm sure they are great on the road compared to a Wrangler, but I think the Jeep would still get my money until Ford can figure these things out. That is if I didn't already have my 4R. Maybe I'm just on the "Bronco is way overhyped" train right now, but seems Ford has some things to figure out.

Ford has had some great ideas and then has executed them poorly.
I thought it was hilarious when all these new Bronco Fan Boys were disrespecting the 4Runner with all of the Bronco hype. Now what do we see. Shit quality and poorly designed systems. Looked good on paper. Turned out to be crap.

 

[Pedro367]

There's probably 10 Sasquatch version Broncos at the local dealer here that belong to Ford for some big promo they are doing in the area. They look pretty sweet. But I'm partial to the first gen Bronco's they are modeled after. I've worked on a bunch of those and have had a bunch of seat time in them. After owning/building 3 FJ40's I have to say I wish I had started with one of those instead.

As for the mileage of them vs. a 4Runner who cares? They are both shaped like a brick and pushing a brick through the wind isn't very efficient. I average about 17.5 with mine on 285's. But I ride my motorcycle a lot and it gets over 50 so it all averages out...

Probably for the Bronco OffRoadeo? One of the locations is in NH.

 

[John in NC]

The Bronco was a big 'miss' as far as I can tell.

I hope Toyota doesn't wimp out on the 4runner redesign, they have a great oppoortunity to hit it out of the park.

Side note- on some road trips I've gotten a steady 23 mpg driving Granny easy on flat ground.

 

[MAST4R]

I totally get what you're saying about the mileage. They are brick shaped off road vehicles. My original point was just that our drivetrains are very old. The 4.0 is ancient and a 5 speed auto in 2021 is unheard of. With all the modern advances in engine technology and the 10 speed tranny in the new Bronco, the mileage isn't any better, considering the need for premium fuel.


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No kidding; I finally pulled a table:

2021 Ford Bronco official fuel economy figures revealed - Roadshow

Forget the lower trims, of course, it is 35s or it does not count.

Basically, 10 years later, you get the same mpg (17sh) but move from 32s to 35s but also from regular to premium. Basically NOTHING, it is a wash.

 

[Redsoxx1918]

The Bronco was a big 'miss' as far as I can tell.

I hope Toyota doesn't wimp out on the 4runner redesign, they have a great oppoortunity to hit it out of the park.

Side note- on some road trips I've gotten a steady 23 mpg driving Granny easy on flat ground.

Well, I certainly wouldn't say it's a big miss. It's a pretty cool vehicle with the ability to remove the top and doors like the Wrangler. From the off road videos I've seen, this thing is a beast off road with amazing capabilities. With things as far as acceleration, MPGs and build quality, nothing spectacular.


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[Pilotmatt]

You can't get 25mpg on a full tank. Anything is possible in perfect conditions, but not for a full tank.

There’s a special procedure.

1) Get on a major highway with no stopped traffic.
2) Find a convoy of semis. Tuck in 5 feet behind, but not be last in line.
3) wait for downhill section, reset average MPG tracker.
4) Take photo of statistic.

 

[Kamalani Mahie]

There’s a special procedure.

1) Get on a major highway with no stopped traffic.
2) Find a convoy of semis. Tuck in 5 feet behind, but not be last in line.
3) wait for downhill section, reset average MPG tracker.
4) Take photo of statistic.

ROFL

My average is 14 right now. Averaged over many many tanks and trips and city/highway. I'm lifted, 285s, and all armored up besides bumpers. Plus Gobi and RTT.

 

[RichinRidgewood]

There’s a special procedure.

1) Get on a major highway with no stopped traffic.
2) Find a convoy of semis. Tuck in 5 feet behind, but not be last in line.
3) wait for downhill section, reset average MPG tracker.
4) Take photo of statistic.

Or just dont drive like high schooler whose parents bought bought them a 4Runner and added 700 pounds of “end of the world” steel bumpers, roof racks, 34” tires and 200 pounds of rescue equipment that will never be needed at the mall.

 

[Deuxdiesel]

Right now I am getting a touch over 19, my FIL's AWD Sienna only gets 18, so it's really not bad. If I could magically increase my MPG to 23, I would save about $300 per year. I'm still considering a base 2 door Bronco with a manual trans. I will wait until they are readily available (a year or two) and compare it to a similar Wrangler. 2-3 MPG makes no difference unless you drive huge miles per year.

 

[mnofpeace]

i have never understood the reviewer-based complaints about the T4R's mpg numbers when just about every other midsized SUV gets similar numbers.

Ive gotten a best maintained number of 19.7 in a months time with mostly highway miles, but a worst number of 18.3 in my normal commute/suburbs/city driving. So if a Ford/Nissan/Chevy/RRover equivalent gets 1-3mph better, well, ok...the piece of mind of KNOWING im going to turn the key and its going to start EVERY time makes my purchase mean just as much.

Its funny how 5yrs ago they all complained about how old the 4Runner was, how it was so anchient, how Toyota HAD to update it because they were being left behind by xovers that got better mpg...and now its that stable off-rd'r platform that will run and run and run while others are building new vehicles to catch up to it in the off road department.

i wont even mention how they scoffed at how much the LC200 cost a few years ago...and now every manufacturer has their own $75-90k SUV they hope people will buy because it's so great...

welcome to the party...

 

[Redsoxx1918]

i have never understood the reviewer-based complaints about the T4R's mpg numbers when just about every other midsized SUV gets similar numbers.

Ive gotten a best maintained number of 19.7 in a months time with mostly highway miles, but a worst number of 18.3 in my normal commute/suburbs/city driving. So if a Ford/Nissan/Chevy/RRover equivalent gets 1-3mph better, well, ok...the piece of mind of KNOWING im going to turn the key and its going to start EVERY time makes my purchase mean just as much.

Its funny how 5yrs ago they all complained about how old the 4Runner was, how it was so anchient, how Toyota HAD to update it because they were being left behind by xovers that got better mpg...and now its that stable off-rd'r platform that will run and run and run while others are building new vehicles to catch up to it in the off road department.

i wont even mention how they scoffed at how much the LC200 cost a few years ago...and now every manufacturer has their own $75-90k SUV they hope people will buy because it's so great...

welcome to the party...

Right?? How absurd for an $88K land cruiser. Of course, that land cruiser will last you the rest of your life. A top of the line Ram 1500 limited or a fully loaded GMC Sierra 1500 AT4 can easily run north of $70K and the quality is nowhere near the land cruiser. A GMC Yukon Denali will run you about $85K. Suddenly, that land cruiser seems like a bargain.


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[MAST4R]

Right?? How absurd for an $88K land cruiser. Of course, that land cruiser will last you the rest of your life. A top of the line Ram 1500 limited or a fully loaded GMC Sierra 1500 AT4 can easily run north of $70K and the quality is nowhere near the land cruiser. A GMC Yukon Denali will run you about $85K. Suddenly, that land cruiser seems like a bargain.


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I remember reading a very thorough long-term review of a Power Wagon. The bottom line was that while a great truck for the first few years, everything starts falling apart after 6-7 years. As expected.

 

[RichinRidgewood]

Right?? How absurd for an $88K land cruiser..

The Land Cruiser is expensive at $50k and thats about all it's worth to me. But the people in the middle east buy them by the boatload so thats probably why they are so expensive here.

Right?? How absurd for an $88K land cruiser. Of course, that land cruiser will last you the rest of your life.

No it wont and you will tire of it and sell it.

I always think its hilarious when people say "This is my "forever home, car, motorcycle etc" as an excuse to spend WAY TOO MUCH MONEY on something

 

[Pilotmatt]

Or just dont drive like high schooler whose parents bought bought them a 4Runner and added 700 pounds of “end of the world” steel bumpers, roof racks, 34” tires and 200 pounds of rescue equipment that will never be needed at the mall.

My first post was sarcasm.

Absolutely correct. Buy a 4Runner and drive it as a commuter. Dont forget to get a TRD Pro. Then chirp in with your over impressive stats that are complete BS.

In no reality is anyone getting 25 mpg AVERAGE on a car that is labeled at best 22 the highway. Yes, there are the one way trips from Vail to Denver that AVERAGES 2% downslope, but combine that with your AVERAGE uphill if youre giving a true stat. Level highway at 65, not a chance at 25. You can argue because you dont want to be wrong, but that doesnt negate the fact that you are wrong.

Not sarcasm.

 

[RichinRidgewood]

My first post was sarcasm.

Absolutely correct. Buy a 4Runner and drive it as a commuter. Dont forget to get a TRD Pro. Then chirp in with your over impressive stats that are complete BS.

In no reality is anyone getting 25 mpg AVERAGE on a car that is labeled at best 22 the highway. Yes, there are the one way trips from Vail to Denver that AVERAGES 2% downslope, but combine that with your AVERAGE uphill if youre giving a true stat. Level highway at 65, not a chance at 25. You can argue because you dont want to be wrong, but that doesnt negate the fact that you are wrong.

Not sarcasm.

Yawn
Nothing was said about “average”. My data came from a real world drive on I80 that was not some down hill stretch in the mountains.
Go pick a fight with someone else.

 

[rwh963]

4th gen v6: 17.6, always 17.6.

 

[02SE]

If fuel economy is a primary concern, the 4Runner or Bronco are the wrong class of vehicle to choose.

 

[Pilotmatt]

Yawn
Nothing was said about “average”. My data came from a real world drive on I80 that was not some down hill stretch in the mountains.
Go pick a fight with someone else.

Whos picking a fight?

“Nothing was said about averages.”

“MPGs vs the new Bronco”. What do you think the OP is asking?

Thanks for clarifying that you were headed downhill. Your support is appreciated. Like I said, your choice to be oblivious doesn’t make you right.

Just want to point out your 1500 posts in 1 1/2 year. Are you here to help people or show your supreme intellect.

Try this…”Never pass up the opportunity to shut your hole.”

 

[thirteen]

I have never once tracked my mpg. I have no idea. I don't care and I have no idea why any one does. I bought this truck knowing the gas mileage is terrible, especially after adding a roof rack and AT tires. I don't understand the need to constantly monitor it to show me what I already know.

 

[RichinRidgewood]

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Remain calm