Nanny State of the Week: New York plans to ban iPhones
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Bigshankhank
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He is Legion...
Thai
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Here is what UK is doing: Investigatory powers surveillance bill won't ban encryption, just strong encryption (Wired UK)
More: http://www.express.co.uk/life-style...rter-Investigatory-Powers-Bill-Apple-iMessage
[MENTION=125786]Bigshankhank[/MENTION] [MENTION=66316]1engineer[/MENTION]
Again, this is United Kingdom wanting to do this. I have no doubt that iPhones will continue to sell, but will backdoors be forced upon Apple, Google, etc.? I am NOT afraid of the extremes (no iPhone sales)...what i am afraid of is the COMPROMISE made by the tech companies to appease the countries/states demanding backdoors.
More: http://www.express.co.uk/life-style...rter-Investigatory-Powers-Bill-Apple-iMessage
[MENTION=125786]Bigshankhank[/MENTION] [MENTION=66316]1engineer[/MENTION]
Again, this is United Kingdom wanting to do this. I have no doubt that iPhones will continue to sell, but will backdoors be forced upon Apple, Google, etc.? I am NOT afraid of the extremes (no iPhone sales)...what i am afraid of is the COMPROMISE made by the tech companies to appease the countries/states demanding backdoors.
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ndcent
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That is sure a broad brush to paint with.
There are plenty of smart liberals and there are plenty of smart conservatives.
Have an awesome day!
Thai
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Well, IF you ever find one, then please show him/her to me. You probably have better chance of finding Big Foot or Lochness. It is lovely for you to strive for something that does not exist.
Thanks in advance. Have an awesome day too.
marshal
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I don't particularly like you.
ndcent
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Claiming intellectual superiority on one hand while choosing to be willfully ignorant and proud of it on the other.
Yeehaw.
Thai
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Well, I was referring more to the liberals in office that are responsible for this bill. Secondly, this not about me...so, regardless how you think about me, the big question is...DO YOU AGREE WITH HAVING BACKDOORS ON YOUR PRIVACY?
Thai
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Ignorant...like how you equate Paris terrorist attack victims as being not significant because work ladders kill more people? Or like how you make fun of microcephalic infants due to Zika with the Beetlejuice movie reference and picture?
Oh yeah, i am very proud not to be associated with folks like you. Call me whatever you want, but it is pretty damn clear who the ignorant liberal is here.
marshal
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nope.
I definitely do not like the people that coordinated the creation of these bills, but totally saying that all liberal minded people are dumb and the scum of the earth is quite ignorant. I personally don't know you well enough to know what you're going to say next, as I don't regularly come into the off topic area and participate in arguments. I can say that the normal response on Facebook for a similar comment would be to immediately identify me as a liberal - i'll just go ahead and say that I'm not, I'm very much moderate.
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Thai
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You did not read what i wrote, did you?
That's OK. Do i think liberal politicians are dumb? You bet. :bravo:
ndcent
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My factoid was about Americans, not French victims, bud.
Zika will go quietly away a la Ebola before you know if, it's the Internet and people make jokes.
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techno
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'They' can snoop on my phone all they want, I couldn't care less. 'They'll' get to see exciting text messages asking me to bring home various grocery items and loads of pictures of my kids pulling silly faces. Plus, 'they' will still have no legal authority to access any 'backdoor' until a federal court agrees there is reasonable suspicion of a national security threat and approves the process.
Thai
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And where did you post that stupid "factoid"? Oh yeah, in the Paris attack thread!
Stop backtracking dude.
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Thai
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You missed the point. I don't mind NSA tracking me nor them reading my emails.
However, are you sure that a backdoor only lets NSA in? What if it is exposed by 3rd party (hackers, Nigerian princes, etc)? Name me ONE backdoor that has been 100% secure? None come to my mind. And many folks have sensitive info on their phones/computers/networks like financials.
Therefore, it is not just about having backdoor for NSA...it is the risk that backdoors will be compromised by other folks.
For example, about 7 years ago during the Chinese human rights protests, GMAIL was hacked. Google services do NOT have end-to-end encryption. So, if someone hacked Google, then they have full access to emails, texts, pics, etc.. So, GMAIL got hacked by...the Chinese government. Some of the human rights leaders got put in jailed or killed because their names and plans were exposed when GMAIL was hacked.
Of course, we have tons of stories of stolen identities and bank information.
techno
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The proposed bill is ridiculous, we can all agree on that. Like many other state level laws, it would would be virtually useless and impossible to enforce and has no chance of ever being passed. I wouldn't support this type of bill.
I think there's a fundamental difference between the ability for the manufacturer to decrypt or unlock a device versus hacking into accounts, since nearly all successful hacking attempts are achieved through user generated avenues, like lack of personal security practices or well disguised phishing scam.
I think there's a fundamental difference between the ability for the manufacturer to decrypt or unlock a device versus hacking into accounts, since nearly all successful hacking attempts are achieved through user generated avenues, like lack of personal security practices or well disguised phishing scam.
Thai
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So, Microsoft never got hacked? Apple? Google?
On a separate note, Microsoft even used its own Hotmail to spy on media members who talk bad!
There is a reason why END-TO-END encryption is so important. IF Google had end-to-end encryption, the Chinese government would NOT been able to kill/jail human rights activists after they hacked GMAIL.
nevada
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because the legalities has ever stopped a government from doing something.
