NEW Land Rover Defender's To Come Back to US Market?

[MeBe4running]

Land Rovers could lose 1,100 pounds over next decade

The first sign of Land Rover's far-reaching goals will reportedly be seen in the form of a new Defender concept that's set to debut at the upcoming Frankfurt Motor Show. We'll be paying close attention to this machine, as the company claims it is designing the next Defender to meet U.S. regulations.

Imagine if they do.... And it's a diesel! arty:

I KNOW THIS IS A TOYOTA FOURM...HOWEVER TO THOSE OF US WHO ARE OFF ROAD ENTHUSIASTS THIS IS BIG NEWS!

:guitar2::bravo:

 

[Thai]

Now, the Defender (like the Wrangler for Jeep) is the ONLY LR that i would consider...simply because it is so iconic. But, the practical side of me will probably force me into the 4runner in the future.

 

[KCcarguy]

Didn't I read somewhere that the new Defender would be more of a road-focused truck rater than a hard-core paramilitary vehicle? Sort of a Defender in name only?

http://www.automobilemag.com/features/news/1006_2016_land_rover_defender/index.html

 

[MeBe4running]

Didn't I read somewhere that the new Defender would be more of a road-focused truck rater than a hard-core paramilitary vehicle? Sort of a Defender in name only?

2016 Land Rover Defender - Automobile Magazine

Thanks for sharing, I hadn't seen that article. Let hope that isn't the case although its more likely than not. With this being said, do you think toyota will continue then with its body on frame for the 2013 or later models to come on the 4runner?

I believe there will be a lot of pressure in the auto industry, more than there is now to make their vehicles as economic as possible? That may mean body on frame out the window?

I hope not!

 

[JohnsD90]

I hope they stop production. And if they make, i can almost garuntee we wont see the diesel, and maybe no manual.

 

[MeBe4running]

I hope they stop production. And if they make, i can almost garuntee we wont see the diesel, and maybe no manual.

Why?

 

[JohnsD90]

Why?

It wont be a landie then, it'll likely be based on the Disco 4 which is way too upmarket as it is, and then it'll just be a safety death trap confined to Independent suspension and automatic transmissions. It wont be the farmers choice, or the wheelers choice or the military's choice of vehicle anymore, it'll be just for those posh twat's who like their "Land Rovers" so they can go to the mall in their "defenders". If they have any respect for it, they will let it die gracefully.

Im the biggest LR fan you will meet, and i dont want them too make it.

 

[KCcarguy]

It wont be a landie then, it'll likely be based on the Disco 4 which is way too upmarket as it is, and then it'll just be a safety death trap confined to Independent suspension and automatic transmissions. It wont be the farmers choice, or the wheelers choice or the military's choice of vehicle anymore, it'll be just for those posh twat's who like their "Land Rovers" so they can go to the mall in their "defenders". If they have any respect for it, they will let it die gracefully.

Im the biggest LR fan you will meet, and i dont want them too make
it.

Why don't you tell us how you really feel! :lmao:

Anyway.....I think Toyota will continue to make body-on-frame trucks. There's too much of a demand in the developing world. However, if CAFE standards continue to grow tougher they might not be available here in the US. I'm glad we have Big Brother to tell us what we should be driving.....

:flipoff:

Matter of fact, I plan to DD my 4runner for a few years then retire it to utility duty only (and keep it 'til the wheels fall off). I've considered trading the 4runner for a LC 100....trying to decide which one will last longer because I think the days of the true SUV are growing short.

 

[JohnsD90]

Why don't you tell us how you really feel! :lmao:

Anyway.....I think Toyota will continue to make body-on-frame trucks. There's too much of a demand in the developing world. However, if CAFE standards continue to grow tougher they might not be available here in the US. I'm glad we have Big Brother to tell us what we should be driving.....

:flipoff:

Matter of fact, I plan to DD my 4runner for a few years then retire it to utility duty only (and keep it 'til the wheels fall off). I've considered trading the 4runner for a LC 100....trying to decide which one will last longer because I think the days of the true SUV are growing short.

Someone asked why and i answered, i feel your correct that the days of the real SUV are soon to be over in this country, but i think they ended 5 or 10 years ago but i doubt you agree with that. In just gonna laugh when there are no more vehicles that can drive through snow and all those a-holes are wondering why they are in the ditch in their forestors ans new exploders in the snow but they have AWD amd traction control, and they think because their cars have that they can go whereever they want. (i see this already, i just feel the number of people doing it will increase).

 

[KCcarguy]

Someone asked why and i answered, i feel your correct that the days of the real SUV are soon to be over in this country, but i think they ended 5 or 10 years ago but i doubt you agree with that.

Well, I'd agree that my 5th gen. has more compromises than an older-model SUV.....some good and some bad. But I'd still call it a true SUV. An FJ80 is still my dream-truck though. I just can't talk my wife into loading up the family in a 15 year-old truck with 180k+ miles and taking a cross-country trip. :shrug:

 

[Thai]

Capability wise, except for the rare dinosaurs (G-wagen, TLC80, Wrangler Rubicon), the current few BOF SUVs are just as capable as they were 10-20 years ago. I don't see the drastic drop-off that JohnD90 see. I doubt that a Ford Bronco (for example) could match the 5th gen 4runner, stock for stock, off-road. It may have better clearances, but with open axles, it can't compete where traction is at a premium. Needless to say, safety (e.g. rollovers) and on-road driving clearly favors the newer SUVs.

I think that there a few folks on here who are living on nostalgia instead of reality....

IMO.

 

[KCcarguy]

Capability wise, except for the rare dinosaurs (G-wagen, TLC80, Wrangler Rubicon), the current few BOF SUVs are just as capable as they were 10-20 years ago. I don't see the drastic drop-off that JohnD90 see. I doubt that a Ford Bronco (for example) could match the 5th gen 4runner, stock for stock, off-road. It may have better clearances, but with open axles, it can't compete where traction is at a premium. Needless to say, safety (e.g. rollovers) and on-road driving clearly favors the newer SUVs.

I think that there a few folks on here who are living on nostalgia instead of reality....

IMO.

It all depends on your lifestyle and the size of your garage I guess. It would be super cool to drive an older restored truck, but my job doesn't allow being late do to breakdowns, etc. And my budget only allows for one toy..... I'm not quite ready to give up the sports car yet.

 

[Thai]

It all depends on your lifestyle and the size of your garage I guess. It would be super cool to drive an older restored truck, but my job doesn't allow being late do to breakdowns, etc. And my budget only allows for one toy..... I'm not quite ready to give up the sports car yet.

Yup, i agree. An older truck can be nice, but the maintenance will be a lot, even for a Toyota old truck. I am not a handy-man type of guy...so, i much rather own a Wrangler Rubicon over a Defender or even a TLC80...if i was looking for a weekend rig.

 

[tacosmasher]

Theres a company in Auburn,AL. that sells armored Defenders. My buddy snapped some pics of a few on a flatbed in Auburn, Al.

Edit: its MDT armor

 

[JohnsD90]

Theres a company in Auburn,AL. that sells armored Defenders. My buddy snapped some pics of a few on a flatbed in Auburn, Al.

Edit: its MDT armor

I will take a gander to say that those are 1983-1986 "90" or "110" vin #'s.

 

[JohnsD90]

Capability wise, except for the rare dinosaurs (G-wagen, TLC80, Wrangler Rubicon), the current few BOF SUVs are just as capable as they were 10-20 years ago. I don't see the drastic drop-off that JohnD90 see. I doubt that a Ford Bronco (for example) could match the 5th gen 4runner, stock for stock, off-road. It may have better clearances, but with open axles, it can't compete where traction is at a premium. Needless to say, safety (e.g. rollovers) and on-road driving clearly favors the newer SUVs.

I think that there a few folks on here who are living on nostalgia instead of reality....

IMO.

SUV's are not built specifically with off road in mind, the whole Utility concept will be lost, and too me that means more than being able to offroad better than their older counterparts, They are multipurpose vehicles, especially the Defender, and what will also be lost with the defender atleast is being a complete breakdown vehicle, and you should know from all your F-ing consumer reports that being with reliablity the way you make it sound, you want to be able to take stuff apart easily and quickly without any special tools and in the middle of no where.

 

[KCcarguy]

SUV's are not built specifically with off road in mind, the whole Utility concept will be lost, and too me that means more than being able to offroad better than their older counterparts, They are multipurpose vehicles, especially the Defender, and what will also be lost with the defender atleast is being a complete breakdown vehicle, and you should know from all your F-ing consumer reports that being with reliablity the way you make it sound, you want to be able to take stuff apart easily and quickly without any special tools and in the middle of no where.

I'm not sure what you're getting at. Are you saying that modern SUV's are over-complicated?

 

[JohnsD90]

I'm not sure what you're getting at. Are you saying that modern SUV's are over-complicated?

Sort of, but i was getting at the defender specifically, i dont hold 4Runners to the same standard seeing as the 4runner was only breifly "let me get hose" to clean the interior vehicle, and the 4runner still has most of the utility as when it started. Where as the Defender started as this Farmers truck/military truck/offroader/Utility Van, and what i forsee in the next generation will basically be a cross between the freelander and the Discovery with badge that says defender on it.

 

[KCcarguy]

OK. Gotcha....yeah that sucks. New vehicles in general are getting less specialized and more generic. I think partially to meet new government regulations and partially as a result of market forces. I guess Toyota will be the only ones making a true utility vehicle, albeit not in the US.

Im sooo jealous of the aussies:

Toyota LandCruiser 70 Home Australia

 

[CraigRoberts]

Can I rant?

The new emissions & MPG standards are re****ed. So much for capitalism and "freedom." If gas prices keep going up, the vast majority will only be buying high MPG vehicles. Why make it impossible/illegal for those who want to and can afford to go for a larger vehicle?

On top of that, Top Gear (UK) had a great piece pointing out that over its lifetime a Prius will do more environmental damage than a BMW M3 because of the exotic materials and extensive energy required to mine the materials required in the Prius' complex battery system. ALSO, if a Prius driver tries to push their car hard (like flooring it around a track) it actually gets WORSE MPG than a M3 going at the same pace. Its mostly about how you drive. As usual, these politically-motivated moves only sound good on paper and when you're boasting to the press in sound-bites, but actually just hurt the environment and consumer more in reality.

If they really cared, they'd make Diesel prices even/less than Unleaded and let us import some Hiluxes.