New PIAA H4 L.E.D headlights bulbs....

[Hepar]

I'm not sure what you mean. That was sent to me from my customer, and the point is, the bulb he had in his 4Runner (before he switched to these exact Piaa led's) was an aftermarket halogen bulb, much brighter than the stock bulb, and the difference in the before and after is still HUGE. If it was of the stock toyota bulb, the difference would even be greater. It wasn't meant to deceive. If the pic he sent me was of the stock bulb, the difference probably wouldn't be believable. It's a huge difference.

OK, so I'll ask you directly since you are quoted here saying that you are not trying to deceive anyone. Then why are you using pictures that are of the low/high beam Sylvania's and labelling them as a Sylvania/PIAA comparison?

 

[Jason B]

Yes they are.

I figured. I think the led version will be too big to fit in that small housing anyway. I haven't tried it yet myself, but i doubt it.

The pictures depict how the difference is the to naked eye compared to a stock bulb, even though they aren't stock bulbs, to the naked eye. I'd also be willing to offer a deal to the first person that will take pics of stock halogen bulbs, before and after with the piaa leds. That will be an even better comparo since we don't have pics with stock bulbs, I'm too busy to pull mine out to do it, so I'll help you guys.

Text or call me 717-319-2100 and I'll help out.

PIAA H4 LED's at Burtman Industries

 

[Hepar]

The pictures depict how the difference is the to naked eye compared to a stock bulb, even though they aren't stock bulbs, to the naked eye.

So then why is it labeled as a high output Sylvania vs PIAA if it's supposed to be a stock vs PIAA comparison? I know in the large scheme of things, that this is a small matter. But it bugs me when people use practices like that as well as when they dance around the direct issue when confronted. Both of which you are doing.

 

[Jason B]

Simple. Because the customer didn't have stock bulbs. This is a halogen vs an L.E.D. I can't wait to get pics of stock bulb vs the Piaa L.E.D. because the difference will even be greater, as the stock bulbs are lower output.

 

[Xntrik7]

I figured. I think the led version will be too big to fit in that small housing anyway. I haven't tried it yet myself, but i doubt it.

The pictures depict how the difference is the to naked eye compared to a stock bulb, even though they aren't stock bulbs, to the naked eye. I'd also be willing to offer a deal to the first person that will take pics of stock halogen bulbs, before and after with the piaa leds. That will be an even better comparo since we don't have pics with stock bulbs, I'm too busy to pull mine out to do it, so I'll help you guys.

Text or call me 717-319-2100 and I'll help out.

PIAA H4 LED's at Burtman Industries

Jason, I might be able to assist you with this. I have a pic with the stock Koito bulbs (in the rain/sleet) and a picture of the PIAA LEDs (No rain or sleet but in the the same spot +/- a couple of inches).

I also have a pic with the Koitos installed on the driver's side and PIAA LED on the passenger side.

I'll upload them when I get home from work.

-Dan

 

[zestways]

Man, there really seems to be some miscommunication or misunderstanding going on here. This is the image being used in the marketing for these lights.

It would be the same if someone was selling you an apple, but showing you a photo of an orange. That might be one great apple, but I'm not buying it based on a photo of an orange.

I don't think that anyone is being shady nor am i criticizing the product, but I do think it's a little strange to put so much effort in to selling a product and then use incorrect marketing.

 

[infantry503]

Man, there really seems to be some miscommunication or misunderstanding going on here. This is the image being used in the marketing for these lights.

It would be the same if someone was selling you an apple, but showing you a photo of an orange. That might be one great apple, but I'm not buying it based on a photo of an orange.

I don't think that anyone is being shady nor am i criticizing the product, but I do think it's a little strange to put so much effort in to selling a product and then use incorrect marketing.

That makes more sense, AND YOU ARE CORRECT. use the PIAA picture not the sylvania high beam picture.

 

[Hepar]

So then why is it labeled as a high output Sylvania vs PIAA if it's supposed to be a stock vs PIAA comparison?

Simple. Because the customer didn't have stock bulbs. This is a halogen vs an L.E.D. I can't wait to get pics of stock bulb vs the Piaa L.E.D. because the difference will even be greater, as the stock bulbs are lower output.

Yes, but your comparison picture is using two photos using the SAME lights. Just one on normal and another on high beam.

You were given 4 photos. Photos A, B, C and D. Photos A and B are of a set of Sylvania bulbs on normal and high beam. Photos C and D are PIAA's on normal and high beam. You took photos A and B and labeled them as Sylvania and PIAA.

I'm really not sure why this point is that confusing.

I would give more of a leeway if it was something just posted, but the original pictures were posted over a year ago. You said previously that you just don't have the time to do a comparison shot yourself. If you can't find the time in over a year to take a couple of simple comparison shots at as much of a neutral position as you can, then I'd say you may want to look into other ventures.

That makes more sense, AND YOU ARE CORRECT. use the PIAA picture not the sylvania high beam picture.

My only issue all along. Well, originally it was the brightness thing, but then I guess it changed into this particular one.

 

[BrianSD_42]

Looking through this thread and reading the disagreements I am a bit surprised that no one seems to have just measured the light difference between before the upgrade and after using a simple light meter.

Really folks they make em for photography and a less accurate but still perfectly viable option is to use your iPhone or Android phone with a light meter app. It really does work.

Install the new bulb on one side and put a towel over the other side. Measure the light in LUX. Swap the towel. Measure again.

To State the obvious - do the test at night somewhere without other light sources around.
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[Hepar]

Looking through this thread and reading the disagreements I am a bit surprised that no one seems to have just measured the light difference between before the upgrade and after using a simple light meter.

And to emphasize again, I personally am not saying that the PIAA's aren't brighter than your standard bulb. I don't see how they can't be being what we see from today's LED's.

 

[BrianSD_42]

And to emphasize again, I personally am not saying that the PIAA's aren't brighter than your standard bulb. I don't see how they can't be being what we see from today's LED's.

Sure ... but I am genuinely curious at the difference in LUX between stock vs PIAA vs Sylvania.

 

[Hepar]

Sure ... but I am genuinely curious at the difference in LUX between stock vs PIAA vs Sylvania.

I wasn't before all this mess started, but I am now.

 

[jgue467]

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I personally am not saying that the PIAA's aren't brighter than your standard bulb. I don't see how they can't be being what we see from today's LED's.

They are brighter.

And their life is about 10-18 months.

Ask me how I know 3 times over ! :cowboy:

 

[Hepar]

And their life is about 10-18 months.

That's it? Seems like a set of LED's should last a lot longer than that.

 

[Xntrik7]

A LUX comparison is a good idea. I’ll try it once I have some free time on my hands.

Below are unedited photos taken on my iPhone 7.


OEM Koito Halogen bulb- The sky is not as dark and it is raining:

PIAA LED in favorable weather:

Side by side comparison PIAA LED on the passenger side and Koito halogen on the driver’s side:

From inside the 4Runner:

I hope this gives you some insight on how the PIAA LED compares to stock Koito bulbs. The LEDs are much brighter than stock and soon to be verified. I believe that the Koito bulbs are 17-year old originals and were used as DRL.




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[cblock406]

I’m still confused why anyone would even install a set of led bulbs in factory housing and blind oncoming traffic and be dangerous? Either run halogens or be a grown up and retrofit a set of headlights. If that sounds like too much workf, run halogens!

 

[Hepar]

I’m still confused why anyone would even install a set of led bulbs in factory housing and turn their vehicle into a liability that is going to blind oncoming traffic and be dangerous? Either run halogens or be a grown up and retrofit a set of headlights. If that sounds like more than you are capable of, run halogens!

For sure. Brighter may be nice for your visibility, but not so nice for those driving against it.

 

[Jason B]

A LUX comparison is a good idea. I’ll try it once I have some free time on my hands.

Below are unedited photos taken on my iPhone 7.


OEM Koito Halogen bulb- The sky is not as dark and it is raining:

PIAA LED in favorable weather:

Side by side comparison PIAA LED on the passenger side and Koito halogen on the driver’s side:

From inside the 4Runner:

I hope this gives you some insight on how the PIAA LED compares to stock Koito bulbs. The LEDs are much brighter than stock and soon to be verified. I believe that the Koito bulbs are 17-year old originals and were used as DRL.

Thank you for posting those!! I'm going to send to my graphics buddy and have him update the pics. Appreciate this I couldn't find my stock bulbs anywhere.

PIAA H4 LED's at Burtman Industries

 

[jason2000SR5]

For sure. Brighter may be nice for your visibility, but not so nice for those driving against it.

If the lights are properly adjusted, wouldnt it be OK? I know they arent projectors with sharper cut offs, but would nope a modest bump in output on stock adjustment should be ok

 

[Hepar]

If the lights are properly adjusted, wouldnt it be OK? I know they arent projectors with sharper cut offs, but would nope a modest bump in output on stock adjustment should be ok

I think it would help to have them adjusted. But the question is, how much would it help? And I would assume they are much more than a modest bump over stock. I'm using the SilverStar Ultras and they are noticeably brighter than stock. So much so that I would routinely get flashed when driving with them. I did finally adjust them (have a 3" lift), but still occasionally get a flash. On the first page, THatfield posts pictures coming from Ultras and claims they are noticeably brighter than them. If that is true, I would think that it would be very intense to oncoming traffic, even with adjustment. Now, THatfield also claims that they are bright while not being bright to oncoming traffic. While that may be true, I don't see how that's possible.

As [MENTION=65101]BrianSD_42[/MENTION] said earlier. The best way to know is to measure their light output. And I would be curious to see the numbers compared to both the stock normal beams as well as stock high beams.