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seancgn68
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Personally I would stay away from anything with the name Dunlop unless you never drive in the rain. Horrible traction. Of course I base this on my standard Dunlops. Slide all over the place.
There is a lot of discussion on this topic in this board. Take a look around. A very popular choice for many seems to be the 265/70R17 Revos. That is what I am going to get... hopefully this fall before the snow hits!
There is a lot of discussion on this topic in this board. Take a look around. A very popular choice for many seems to be the 265/70R17 Revos. That is what I am going to get... hopefully this fall before the snow hits!
AlexJet
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Thai said:
I don't know about rubbing, never tested.
First you have to install those tires, then see if they rubbing. I thought that someone in this forum tried to go with 275/70R17 and can share his experience.Actually I'd appreciate any thoughts, ideas and experience.
As for now, I'm thinking of several ways:
- 265/70R17 Revos
- 275/70R17 SilentArmor or Wrangler AT/S
- 275/65R18 Wrangler AT/S
I don't know how Yokohama Geolander HT-S G051 and Pirelli Scorpion STR perform on road and off-road. I also couldn't find any reviews with comprising of Wrangler SilentArmor with other off-road tires. Does anyone know some information about those tires or has some experience of driving them (experience is always better then just some newspaper review)? What do you think about Wrangler AT/S tires?
Is it worth to go with 275/70R17 or get an 18" Rims and 275/65R18 tires; or just stay with 265/70R17 Revos? Want to have good looking rims + tires and, what is also very important, performance on both on-road and off-road. I lived in Canada and we have cold winters with a lot of snow, plus I like snowboarding and need to have an opportunity to drive safely in snow mountains.
Thai
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I would stay away from the regular GY Wrangler AT/S...experience is 50/50 (50% people hate it; 50% love it). IMO, that's not a good ratio, as compared to Bridgestone Dueler REVO or BFG AT KO. I would go for the Wrangler SilentArmor. SilentArmor is a new product...so, you won't find much reviews on it. From what i read from magazine reviews, it is a very good tire.
Recently, i got Discount Tire to put SilentArmor next to BFG AT KO. SilentArmor looked better (aesthetics). BFG AT KO looked more aggressive...lug space is more (thus more traction off-road). SilentArmor looked like it would be better on the road and in rain. I heard that SilentArmor is quiet on the highway and strong enough for off-road (Durawall sidewall and kevlar ply).
For me, my #1 choice would be BFG AT KO. However, BFG is a French company (mother company is Michelin). Therefore, i will be going with Goodyear Wrangler SilentArmor next time around.
Yokohama is a very good tire company and they make quality tires. My brother has HT/S on his Land Rover Disco...and likes it. It is a highway tire with long treadlife. I doubt that it would do as well off-road as Goodyear SA or BFG AT KO. I would get it if you do not off-road much.
Pirelli don't make good truck tires. I would stay away. Their tires tend to be noisy and not very good off-road.
Personally, i would stay away from 18" rims. Tire choices are limited and expensive! (Trust me, i know!) 18" rims will make your ride worst and may affect your braking/acceleration (since more metal = heavier rims = higher unsprung weight).
I would stick to close to stock size as possible, especially when you do not have a lift. So, i guess the REVOs are your best choice.
Hope this helps.
Recently, i got Discount Tire to put SilentArmor next to BFG AT KO. SilentArmor looked better (aesthetics). BFG AT KO looked more aggressive...lug space is more (thus more traction off-road). SilentArmor looked like it would be better on the road and in rain. I heard that SilentArmor is quiet on the highway and strong enough for off-road (Durawall sidewall and kevlar ply).
For me, my #1 choice would be BFG AT KO. However, BFG is a French company (mother company is Michelin). Therefore, i will be going with Goodyear Wrangler SilentArmor next time around.
Yokohama is a very good tire company and they make quality tires. My brother has HT/S on his Land Rover Disco...and likes it. It is a highway tire with long treadlife. I doubt that it would do as well off-road as Goodyear SA or BFG AT KO. I would get it if you do not off-road much.
Pirelli don't make good truck tires. I would stay away. Their tires tend to be noisy and not very good off-road.
Personally, i would stay away from 18" rims. Tire choices are limited and expensive! (Trust me, i know!) 18" rims will make your ride worst and may affect your braking/acceleration (since more metal = heavier rims = higher unsprung weight).
I would stick to close to stock size as possible, especially when you do not have a lift. So, i guess the REVOs are your best choice.
Hope this helps.
AlexJet
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Thai said:
The reason I star thinking of 18" was that '06 4Runner coming with 18" Rims in Limited, so I thought to get those Toyotas Rims and start shopping for tires. You're absolutely right; stock is limited for 18", maximum 20% of what I can get in 17".
Second idea was to upsize a little bit tires. I do have a lift kit, but didn't install it yet. Do not have time and because my vehicle is new (less then 5000miles) I want to make some road test and then check at the dealer how truck was performing. But in some time I'll do the lift. Its Cornfed 2"Front+1"Rear. I had an idea to install 275/70R17, but not sure about rubbing. If it does, I might go with 265/70R17. In 265/70R17 Revos are the best choices.
Thai
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If you're lifting your 4runner, then the sky is the limit! I would get Goodyear Wrangler SA or BFG AT KO (if it comes in that size). Goodyear SA has the "snowflake" symbol which means that it will do well in severe winter conditiions. You won't need snowchains. Both BFG AT KO and Goodyear SA have this severe winter symbol. Bridgestone Dueler REVO does NOT have this symbol. The GY tread looks similar to REVO, which means that it will likely match REVO's on-road ride.
For your needs, i think that you will be happy with Goodyear Wrangler SA or BFG AT KO. Since you're not a heavy off-roader, i would get the Wrangler SA due to it's supposedly better on-road characteristics as compared to BFG AT KO.
Bridgestone Dueler REVO is excellent on-road and in foul weather. It will also wear better than the two AT tires above...longer life traction due to it's dual layer compound. But, compare to the two above, it lacks the strong sidewall of BFG AT KO's triple plies and Goodyear Wrangler SA's "Durawall." In addition, it does not have the snowflake symbol that snowbirds would need.
Goodyear Wrangler SA:
- Very good on-road, excellent off-road, snowflake symbol, probably good wear rating
- Very expensive, unknown reliability due to being a brandnew model
BFG AT KO:
- Good on-road, super off-road (relative to other AT tires), snowflake symbol, most proven AT tire, all of it's selections are LT rated, quiet on-road (at least the first half of life)
- Very expensive, FrenchieD), may get noisy with wear (as claimed by a few owner on Tirerack), may not be as good in rain as other tires, probably the lowest tire wear of the three (depend on use)
Bridgestone Dueler REVO:
- Excellent on-road, good off-road, long consistent wear (dual compound), relatively cheap, reliable
- Relatively weak sidewall (compare to the two above), no snowflake symbol, not as good off-road as the other two
Thai.
For your needs, i think that you will be happy with Goodyear Wrangler SA or BFG AT KO. Since you're not a heavy off-roader, i would get the Wrangler SA due to it's supposedly better on-road characteristics as compared to BFG AT KO.
Bridgestone Dueler REVO is excellent on-road and in foul weather. It will also wear better than the two AT tires above...longer life traction due to it's dual layer compound. But, compare to the two above, it lacks the strong sidewall of BFG AT KO's triple plies and Goodyear Wrangler SA's "Durawall." In addition, it does not have the snowflake symbol that snowbirds would need.
Goodyear Wrangler SA:
- Very good on-road, excellent off-road, snowflake symbol, probably good wear rating
- Very expensive, unknown reliability due to being a brandnew model
BFG AT KO:
- Good on-road, super off-road (relative to other AT tires), snowflake symbol, most proven AT tire, all of it's selections are LT rated, quiet on-road (at least the first half of life)
- Very expensive, Frenchie
D), may get noisy with wear (as claimed by a few owner on Tirerack), may not be as good in rain as other tires, probably the lowest tire wear of the three (depend on use)Bridgestone Dueler REVO:
- Excellent on-road, good off-road, long consistent wear (dual compound), relatively cheap, reliable
- Relatively weak sidewall (compare to the two above), no snowflake symbol, not as good off-road as the other two
Thai.
What is your intended driving?
That dictates your tire choices. So far you have listed all season tires, all terrain tires, street perforamnce tires. Wheel sizes also affect the type of tire for you type of driving.
All season: winter, snow, rain, and spring/summer dry. Revo has the best record so far. Just about everyone likes them. I have used two sets of Pirelli Scorpions A/T as all seasons and they did well in snow and rain. Both Revos and Scorpions are good for light off raod and dirt trails and fire trails. Dunlops have a mixed record. tirerack.com show something like 90% negative on the Dunlop AT20/21. Horrible. However, Dunlop RVXT has garnered some good reviews. Surprisingly, Firestone Destination A/T is really an all season and it has gained veyr high scores and enough reviews to be considered; something GY Silent Armours do not have yet. Michelin Cross terrains and Michelin LTX M/S are azlso veyr good all season tires.
All terrain. GY AT/S. tirerack and 1010.tires both have extensive reviews. Thai is right, AT/S have about 50/50. Some like it while many don't--and 50/50 is not accetabple standards for spending $800 for tires. BFG KO A/T will be my next set of tires once winter sets in. They have 3 ply sidewall, the veyr few LT C range for 265/70/17, lasts forever, and covers all types of terrain, if not expertly, very well, good in snow and off road. It is also one of the very few tires with the RMA Snowflake emblem for severe winter use.
There is no reason to go to mud terrains. They are noisy, actually have less traction in rain and snow, except for deep snow, and don't last as concrete and asphalt just eat them up.
Road tires: 18" wheels and Pirelli STR. Lousy in rain nad snow and offroad, but alright in dry. But it was never made as an all season, but a road tire.
Doofus tires: these are for folks who don't do a lot more than just driving and don't car as long as the tire is black, round, and has a hole in the middle. BFG Long Trial, Rugged trial--yukk, Geolander H/T, Dunlop Grandtreks.
Stick with the standard sizes. 265/70/17. Easier to replace, not as costly, don't have t ospecial order. If you do go off-road, 18" wheels and larger actually work against you. No sidewall flex, no airing down, easier destruciton of the wheel, etc.
That dictates your tire choices. So far you have listed all season tires, all terrain tires, street perforamnce tires. Wheel sizes also affect the type of tire for you type of driving.
All season: winter, snow, rain, and spring/summer dry. Revo has the best record so far. Just about everyone likes them. I have used two sets of Pirelli Scorpions A/T as all seasons and they did well in snow and rain. Both Revos and Scorpions are good for light off raod and dirt trails and fire trails. Dunlops have a mixed record. tirerack.com show something like 90% negative on the Dunlop AT20/21. Horrible. However, Dunlop RVXT has garnered some good reviews. Surprisingly, Firestone Destination A/T is really an all season and it has gained veyr high scores and enough reviews to be considered; something GY Silent Armours do not have yet. Michelin Cross terrains and Michelin LTX M/S are azlso veyr good all season tires.
All terrain. GY AT/S. tirerack and 1010.tires both have extensive reviews. Thai is right, AT/S have about 50/50. Some like it while many don't--and 50/50 is not accetabple standards for spending $800 for tires. BFG KO A/T will be my next set of tires once winter sets in. They have 3 ply sidewall, the veyr few LT C range for 265/70/17, lasts forever, and covers all types of terrain, if not expertly, very well, good in snow and off road. It is also one of the very few tires with the RMA Snowflake emblem for severe winter use.
There is no reason to go to mud terrains. They are noisy, actually have less traction in rain and snow, except for deep snow, and don't last as concrete and asphalt just eat them up.
Road tires: 18" wheels and Pirelli STR. Lousy in rain nad snow and offroad, but alright in dry. But it was never made as an all season, but a road tire.
Doofus tires: these are for folks who don't do a lot more than just driving and don't car as long as the tire is black, round, and has a hole in the middle. BFG Long Trial, Rugged trial--yukk, Geolander H/T, Dunlop Grandtreks.
Stick with the standard sizes. 265/70/17. Easier to replace, not as costly, don't have t ospecial order. If you do go off-road, 18" wheels and larger actually work against you. No sidewall flex, no airing down, easier destruciton of the wheel, etc.
