No Indictment...
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Dont think you can say it any better than Sheriff Buford T. Justice. I really dont thing the rioters really care about that Michael Brown or that he was killed by a white cop. I think its just an excuse to be violent and destructive. For some communities, its just there nature to take something nice and destroy it, and to take no accountability.
Dont think you can say it any better than Sheriff Buford T. Justice. I really dont thing the rioters really care about that Michael Brown or that he was killed by a white cop. I think its just an excuse to be violent and destructive. For some communities, its just there nature to take something nice and destroy it, and to take no accountability.
Kryptoroxx
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I definitely agree with this. I am sure there are some who do care but I think most of them just wanted an excuse to riot. Plus lots of people in the riots weren't even from the city of Ferguson.
Some ironies have come to light that I had to chuckle at.
1.Some blogger who was shooting video while he was taunting police got his phone jacked.....
2. One of the protest organizers had their home looted.
3. Some protesters trying to get someone out of their car got run over.
It's not the violence that made me chuckle. I really wish none of this happened. Lots of people got hurt. It's just the fact that they all assumed that they were not going to get hurt or looted because they were hurting or stealing from others.
GX4SEVEND
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USA today released a story about a guy who shot and killed his mom and shot 3 law enforcement officers while attempting to escape. They show his mug shot from a previous arrest.....and that's the only way you knew he was black. No mention of it or the race of the cop or FBI agents shot. Funny how if a white person is shot by a black it gets swept under the rug and no one cares. Maybe at some point color will be taken out of the equations. But it seems that certain people are always trying to make color the issue. Yet somehow want things equal. Weird
This happened 5 miles south of Ferguson. Guess they're too busy looting and burning shit down to care.
This happened 5 miles south of Ferguson. Guess they're too busy looting and burning shit down to care.
ndcent
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We have a lot in common. I too drive a beat up truck, own two motorcycles and a half dozen firearms. I wear jeans and six year old boots to work as many hours a week. But on the opposite I don't embrace any socioeconomic or racial stereotype about myself as to somehow excuse or validate my own ignorance and narrow mindedness.
Instead of insisting I know the how and why of the world I seek to learn the truth, not regurgitate convenient slogans about those less fortunate or with less opportunity than I've received in this short life we share.
Keep learning, work hard, find answers to uncomfortable questions you might otherwise shrug off or dismiss for lack of real understanding. You'll be glad you did.
Happy Thanksgiving!
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BrianSD_42
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So at least 2 murders have happened since the grand jury results
NYT: Another Killing in Ferguson Leaves a Family Grappling With the Unknown
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/02/u...a-family-grappling-with-the-unknown.html?_r=0
1. A local kid (pictured) who was a friend of someone (they have similar last names but different) who testified at the trial was killed in a nighttime car shooting which was followed by the shooters setting the car on fire. Very messed up. Apparently there was a 911 call in which someone else, also a local said they overheard 3 unknown males talking about finding someone and killing them "just because" - this happened on the the night of the main riots. But there are also unconfirmed reports that he was "killed for snitching" - again no proof.
2. A homicide occurred this weekend when Caucasian Zemir Begic (from FL) was carjacked and literally horribly "hammered to death" by three local St. Luis teens aged 15-16 years old.
Personally I blame the media for fanning the flames like they have been for the last several months.
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NYT: Another Killing in Ferguson Leaves a Family Grappling With the Unknown
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/02/u...a-family-grappling-with-the-unknown.html?_r=0
1. A local kid (pictured) who was a friend of someone (they have similar last names but different) who testified at the trial was killed in a nighttime car shooting which was followed by the shooters setting the car on fire. Very messed up. Apparently there was a 911 call in which someone else, also a local said they overheard 3 unknown males talking about finding someone and killing them "just because" - this happened on the the night of the main riots. But there are also unconfirmed reports that he was "killed for snitching" - again no proof.
2. A homicide occurred this weekend when Caucasian Zemir Begic (from FL) was carjacked and literally horribly "hammered to death" by three local St. Luis teens aged 15-16 years old.
Personally I blame the media for fanning the flames like they have been for the last several months.
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Thai
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Shop owners in Ferguson, most are small Mom & Pops stores, have two options:
1. Abandon their business and move somewhere else; or
2. Come back and rebuild...in which case, their business insurance rates would go up (skyrocket?).
If they choose #1, then city of Ferguson loses. (And due to #2, no one else will want to step up to open another store)
If they choose #2, then that means that owners have to RAISE their prices on goods to cover for rising insurance rates...which means city of Ferguson loses.
I am glad that the looters and rioters got early Black Friday gifts for themselves and their (often times, extended) families...but in the end, they are more screwed now than before.
The sad part in all this... "Burn this B!tch down! Burn this B!tch down! Burn this B!tch down!!" (per Brown's stepdad) has never sounded so good to the real white supremacy groups...because these looters just made themselves the asshat of the nation and basically screwed themselves in the ass while smiling on national television!
Good luck city of Ferguson...you're gonna need it!
HINT: you may want to burn down a city that is NOT your own next time around...as the saying goes..."Don't sh!t where you eat" goes a long way....
1. Abandon their business and move somewhere else; or
2. Come back and rebuild...in which case, their business insurance rates would go up (skyrocket?).
If they choose #1, then city of Ferguson loses. (And due to #2, no one else will want to step up to open another store)
If they choose #2, then that means that owners have to RAISE their prices on goods to cover for rising insurance rates...which means city of Ferguson loses.
I am glad that the looters and rioters got early Black Friday gifts for themselves and their (often times, extended) families...but in the end, they are more screwed now than before.
The sad part in all this... "Burn this B!tch down! Burn this B!tch down! Burn this B!tch down!!" (per Brown's stepdad) has never sounded so good to the real white supremacy groups...because these looters just made themselves the asshat of the nation and basically screwed themselves in the ass while smiling on national television!
Good luck city of Ferguson...you're gonna need it!
HINT: you may want to burn down a city that is NOT your own next time around...as the saying goes..."Don't sh!t where you eat" goes a long way....
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nevada
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agreed. its not a racist comment. how can it be? there was no mention of race.
my circle of people? what the **** is that supposed to mean? is that some sort of racist comment?
BigNuge
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Nah, no hate crime here....
Pack of teens beats man to death near Ferguson, but protests sparse | Fox News
Pack of teens beats man to death near Ferguson, but protests sparse | Fox News
wnelax04sr5
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BrianSD_42
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Joe S does make good points. A voice of reason in the media - at least on this issue.
Agreed, very good piece. And I think he's correct with his thinking.
Quatre Coureur
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The cop didn't know the kid's dads name is 'Hugs'! :jk:
ben550
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I am sure some guys will think that was the case but most do not.
At a minimum I would think those two officers who responded to that call and shot the 12 year old should turn in their badges, lose any and all pension/benefits, and be removed from the police force.
Shooting a 12 year old boy is not heroic or necessary. There are a whole host of other options that should have been taken before resorting to lethal force. The only way I'd shoot a 12 year old is if he was pointing a firearm at me, with his finger on the trigger. Even then, I'd be apprehensive about pulling the trigger...
again, as a minority, i believe profiling works. a good analogy is when you go turkey hunting, how do you do it? you practice, you gear up and you learn your target. learning the target includes, sounds, habits, and mostly appearance. you don't want to shoot a crow, some other hunter or your neighbor's dog... you want that damn turkey. same thing with criminals. now you probably think color profiling is bad but every where i've lived, in multiple countries and income levels the majority of crime is committed by minorities. sorry if its upsetting but its the truth. circumstances influence peoples actions yes but it all comes down to bad decisions the person makes. if you perpetuate the cycle you are the problem. break the cycle. burn your race card. take responsibility for your actions. cops aren't over militarized to violate your rights. don't break the laws and you won't have an issue. end of story.
specifically addressing the 12yr old. when it comes down to it wether its me or them, i'm going to go home at the end of the day like i'm sure the cop did. as a veteran, i can vouch that all ages can be combatants/criminals. he made a choice, unfortunately it wasn't real but damn if i'm going to put my family through my death because i hesitated...
BigNuge
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If you break down the event it is clear that there were inaccurate assumptions made, and actions were taken in conjunction with these assumptions. If the kid had a real gun, and people/cops got shot, in addition to the kid, would that have been better? More people dead, thats better?
Police are called to a park where a boy is pointing and waving a gun at people. Police arrive to the scene, and see (what appears to be) a young person with a gun. The threat assessment has to be fast, and certain assumptions have to be made.
I will agree that if the kid did not have the gun in his hands (i.e. stuffed in his pants, in his pocket etc.) this could have been handled without shots fired. But if it was in his hands...or worse, pointed at the police, the situation could not have been handled differently. You have to break it down to the threat, nothing more.
The fact that the kid was 12 is irrelevant, nobody knew how old he was at the time of the incident. That said, it is easily within the abilities of a young person to point a gun and pull a trigger, and that identifies the threat. Not sex, not color. There was no way to distinguish that toy from a real pistol unless they could have held it and examined it themselves.
The true tragedy here is this kids decision to do what he did, intentionally threaten & taunt innocent people after intentionally modifying a toy gun to make it appear as a real pistol. That child, and his parents are the primary responsible parties here.
What kind of parenting leads to a kid modifying a toy gun to make it indistinguishable from a real one, then go to a public park and point it at people (especially in todays BS fear mongering society, tirelessly cultivating & fertilizing public fear of firearms)?
This was a terrible tragedy no doubt. And I do feel for the parents who now have to live with the knowledge that their young son is dead. However, the responsibility lies with them & their sons very poor decision(s) that lead to this outcome.
Perhaps its time to examine individual responsibility for these incidents, instead of continually working to push that responsibility to someone else. A young person was brandishing a weapon, pointing it a civilians, and had that weapon when police arrived, those are the facts. The decisions made by the police were difficult I am sure, but when its me (police) or you (offender)...its going to be you, and you have split seconds to make that decision. And without a positive way to determine wether or not the weapon was real, you MUST go with the safer decision.
The takeaway should be us examining just how we approach laws, and respect for the laws we have, and the respect we teach our children for these laws. I'll be there first to say I am firmly against government overreach & our continual building of ever-encroaching laws & dictation over our lives, it goes against everything this country was built on. That is the very reason me (and people like me) get so frustrated/passionate about excessive & overreaching laws...it because we respect the laws that are passed! By passing excessively overreaching laws we are forced to either fold/concede to the overreach, or disobey the law, and both of those options are unacceptable to a true Patriot.
Make no mistake, my son will (he is still young @ 4 1/2 years old) have a firm respect for the law through our parenting. He already has a good foundation of right/wrong, and I see it when he plays with his cousins & friends. Building on those type of values is key in bringing a kid up to respect his parents/elders and the authority of the law.
Without that type of foundation how do you expect a young kid/young adult to know that intentionally modifying a toy gun to make it appear real, then go to a public park to point it at people is wrong....REALLY WRONG (especially today)? Yes, at 12 years old he probably doesn't/can't fully assess the consequence of his actions...but the parents can, and thats where the primary responsibility lies. And for that, they now have a life sentence of knowing their son is gone...and thats the worst sentence of them all.
