No mention of a TRD PRO...

[4RN4FUN]

Interesting article on the growth of factory off-road trucks and SUV’s. Chevy, Ford, Jeep, heck even GMC we’re mentioned, but no TRD PRO.

The rise of high-performance and off-road SUVs and truckshttps://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/21/the-rise-of-burly-high-performance-and-off-road-suvs-and-trucks.html


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[LawnDart]

Interesting article on the growth of factory performance trucks and SUV’s. Chevy, Ford, Jeep, heck even GMC we’re mentioned, but no TRD PRO.

The rise of high-performance and off-road SUVs and truckshttps://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/21/the-rise-of-burly-high-performance-and-off-road-suvs-and-trucks.html


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The TRD PRO isn’t a performance vehicle.

 

[4RN4FUN]

The TRD PRO isn’t a performance vehicle.

Neither is the ZR2, but its referenced. As the article title indicates it’s high performance AND off-road vehicles. Are you saying the 4Runner is neither?


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[msp]

Neither is the ZR2, but its referenced. As the article title indicates it’s high performance AND off-road vehicles. Are you saying the 4Runner is neither?


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I read the article. The TRD PRO doesn't belong in the group. It's a badge upgrade with an improved suspension and an aging design and powertrain.

 

[LawnDart]

Neither is the ZR2, but its referenced. As the article title indicates it’s high performance AND off-road vehicles. Are you saying the 4Runner is neither?


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Having driven the ZR2 Turbo Diesel it's more of a performance vehicle than a trim level of 4Runner.

If you feel slighted that the 4Runner isn't considered a performance vehicle I am sorry that the dealer mislead you, or that the author of that article did not validate a world view.

 

[4RN4FUN]

Having driven the ZR2 Turbo Diesel it's more of a performance vehicle than a trim level of 4Runner.



If you feel slighted that the 4Runner isn't considered a performance vehicle I am sorry that the dealer mislead you, or that the author of that article did not validate a world view.

I’m not slighted whatsoever. I think the reference of off road, and not mentioning the Tacoma or 4Runner in whatever trim level was interesting and worthy of a share. I apologize for sharing something which you feel was clearly irrelevant for this audience.

The Wrangler must now be considered a performance vehicle as well.


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[Blue4ever]

Agree with OP. Something with TRD design in it should be considered in off road talks. 4R Off Road and Pro models along w Tacomas. Hell these things have a Crawl Control feature, seems pretty worthy of off road talk.

 

[WVhillbilly]

Interesting article on the growth of factory off-road trucks and SUV’s. Chevy, Ford, Jeep, heck even GMC we’re mentioned, but no TRD PRO.

Because they are trying to sell US made vehicles with the article, not reporting.

They talk mainly about Ford, with one mention of foreign cars.

I see one of the "performance" ZR2s once in a while. They look like someone turned a 15 year old loose with a mid 90s JC Whitney catalog. :barf:

 

[WVhillbilly]

A $70K F150.
No thanks.

The sales guys giggle like idiots every time they sell one of those trucks.

I looked at a $40K F150 a while back, extended cab (not 4 door) vinyl seats and steel wheels.
For $40K :der:

 

[manofsteele2003]

The TRD Pro has been out for 4 years now, so its old news and no where near high performance. And not mentioning the Tacoma is understandable since it’s a piece of crap, anyone that has owned will tell you that. We had one for a year and traded in for a Tundra.

 

[LandCruiser]

My beat to hell lifted 2013 Trail is more "performance" than a TRD PRO.

 

[LawnDart]

My beat to hell lifted 2013 Trail is more "performance" than a TRD PRO.

I like how this turned into a 4Runner vs Raptor argument, or a Raptor is just a "70K F150". lol.

Congrats, everyone, welcome to the straw man argument.

Here's the thing, this has nothing to do with if you like a raptor, or think a raptor is an overpriced F150 (you'd be wrong on that).

The core idea is: is the 4Runner a performance offroad vehicle? And the answer is no. It is not. The pro is a trim level, boiling down to badges, some extra stitching, a few tiny things here and there. It's a vehicle that comes on stock wheels and tires to the port, where someone grinds out the front plastic bumper to stick on some 265s at the port. There's nothing "tuned about it."

It's simply a trim level, and thus it has no place in a debate about a performance off road vehicle.

 

[LandCruiser]

I like how this turned into a 4Runner vs Raptor argument, or a Raptor is just a "70K F150". lol.

Congrats, everyone, welcome to the stawman argument.

Here's the thing, this has nothing to do with if you like a raptor, or think a raptor is an overpriced F150 (you'd be wrong on that).

The core idea is: is the 4Runner a performance offroad vehicle? And the answer is no. It is not. The pro is a trim level, boiling down to badges, some extra stitching, a few tiny things here and there. It's a vehicle that comes on stock wheels and tires to the port, where someone grinds out the front plastic bumper to stick on some 265s at the port. There's nothing "tuned about it."

It's simply a trim level, and thus it has no place in a debate about a performance off road vehicle.

Unless the TRD PRO has a wider body, 50% more horsepower, and LT suspension it's not even in the same league as the Raptor.

Just because Ford has turbo issues (hopefully fixed with the NA Raptor this fall) doesn't change that the 4Runner has an old, wheezy engine and they're essentially all the same except for real differences between the limited 4WD, XREAS, and KDSS.

None of those are labeled "performance" either.

 

[Jetboy]

Unless the TRD PRO has a wider body, 50% more horsepower, and LT suspension it's not even in the same league as the Raptor.

Just because Ford has turbo issues (hopefully fixed with the NA Raptor this fall) doesn't change that the 4Runner has an old, wheezy engine and they're essentially all the same except for real differences between the limited 4WD, XREAS, and KDSS.

None of those are labeled "performance" either.

Yet the tacoma is still faster head to head on desert race courses. Go figure.

What is performance? Paper specs or podium spots?

 

[sn_85]

Agree with OP. Something with TRD design in it should be considered in off road talks. 4R Off Road and Pro models along w Tacomas. Hell these things have a Crawl Control feature, seems pretty worthy of off road talk.

Now this has me giggling

 

[MrGainzz]

The 4runner was never made for performance no matter which trim you get.
Reliability and durability is what the 4runner stands for.
The trd pro is a trd off road with a different appearance package which is a few pieces of plastics and a different suspension setup.


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[WVhillbilly]

I like how this turned into a 4Runner vs Raptor argument, or a Raptor is just a "70K F150". lol.

Laugh all you want, a Raptor is a $70k F150.
Just like the stupid, bright yellow, Tonka edition that sat at the local dealer for months.

Of course, the shape the roads are where I live you need a trophy truck just to maintain 55 mph.

 

[GB-man]

The article references high performance AND off road trucks and SUVs. It does not focus on both which is a space basically only occupied by the raptor.

That said, who cares. The only thing worse than people who overhype the TRD pros are the people who spend all day reminding those people it’s just an appearance package.

What a dreadful never ending circle jerk.

 

[LandCruiser]

Yet the tacoma is still faster head to head on desert race courses. Go figure.

What is performance? Paper specs or podium spots?

Looks just like the ones I can walk into the dealership and buy.

 

[SoonerDPT]

The TRD Pro or Off Road certainly does fit in the "The rise of burly high-performance and off-road SUVs and trucks" and is mentioned, if you watch the video.