not so Speeding Ticket

[steve germany]

It was snowing but the roads were warm enough that it was immediately melting. I was watching for sheeting and ice-over on bridges.

Not to toot my own horn, but I am a pretty seasoned driver javascript:smilie('')

I forgot to mention that when i questioned the speed he called me a jerk and asked me why I thought he was lying. How do you argue with a HI PO?

You got less than you deserved. :bash:

 

[jeffrosheen]

You got less than you deserved. :bash:

How do you figure?

 

[Falls]

Re: Re: not so Speeding Ticket

Yes, it's time for a V1, I've had mine for about a year and the amount of speeding tickets it's saved me from is unreal.

LOL , I'd still get ya

Save your money.

 

[BenSD]

I agree 100% with the left-hand driver rule!!! It makes me so mad that people don't have the common sense to drive in the right hand lane when you are driving at or under the speed limit.

If I want to take the risk of speeding and getting a ticket that is my right. It is as dangerous for you to slow traffic down than the fact that I am speeding

My biggest pet-peeve!

There have been times when I'm going at the rate of traffic (speed limit) and some a$$h0le flies by about 20mph faster than I'm going. This person is not just risking his own life and a chance at getting a ticket. He's risking my life as well. That's why it seem so selfish that people speed. It's like people who do not use a turn signal, and expect everyone else to know what they are about to do.

The rules are there for a reason. If you're the one speeding, you're the one that is risking my life as well. I've seen some pretty bad accidents right in front of my eyes from people speeding.

For example, I was on my way to work doing about 65mph in the #2 lane. That is the flow of traffic. In my rear mirror, I see a Ford F150 approaching at about 80 in the #1 lane. The driver did not see that traffic was slowing ahead, and he slammed on his breaks and just about fish tailed into me. He realized that he wasn't going to stop in time, so he let go of the breaks, then forced himself between two cars. The gap was not big enough, but he did manage to push the other cars out of the way. Did he stop? nope. Just kept going.

I don't think there is any excuse for speeding. Honestly, if everyone else is going fast, try and get the speed limit raised. Don't just speed because everyone else is.

I always go the speed limit on the freeway --- I just go into whatever lane it puts me in. I think that the vast majority of the people driving feel uncomfortable going 75 in a 65 zone, but hesitantly do so just because "everyone else is."

Here's a little experiment for you. If you know of such a freeway where people to a lot faster than the posted limit --- try driving the speed limit, and go in whatever lane that puts you in. You'll find that there will be many people that decide to do the same. You'll notice cars that will hang behind you at a good distance (not tail gating) for a very long distance.

SUVs in general do not handle very well at high speed, so why push it? I was going 65 on the way home from work during the summer, and some a$$h0le merged into my lane before he had even passed me. I had to cut a bit to the left to avoid impact (not a major move by any stretch), and it ended up throwing me into a spin in the fast lane and hitting the median. I was lucky that I was not killed, or no one else was.

You may think that 4Runners are rock solid and stable even at high speed, but all it takes is one minor thing, and you are not going to be able to recover. A blown tire at 65mph won't be as bad as one at 80mph, and so forth.

So before you buy into the peer pressure nonsense, step back and think about it. My pet peeve is people who speed and put my life in danger just because they want to get to work 2 minutes earlier.

 

[steve germany]

How do you figure? [/QUOTE

Your attitude, insnuating that the Cop lied (not that he may of made a mistake), trying to find excuses, and just not owning up to the fact that you were speeding. 87? I'll bet you were doing 90.

 

[steve germany]

There have been times when I'm going at the rate of traffic (speed limit) and some a$$h0le flies by about 20mph faster than I'm going. This person is not just risking his own life and a chance at getting a ticket. He's risking my life as well. That's why it seem so selfish that people speed. It's like people who do not use a turn signal, and expect everyone else to know what they are about to do.

The rules are there for a reason. If you're the one speeding, you're the one that is risking my life as well. I've seen some pretty bad accidents right in front of my eyes from people speeding.

For example, I was on my way to work doing about 65mph in the #2 lane. That is the flow of traffic. In my rear mirror, I see a Ford F150 approaching at about 80 in the #1 lane. The driver did not see that traffic was slowing ahead, and he slammed on his breaks and just about fish tailed into me. He realized that he wasn't going to stop in time, so he let go of the breaks, then forced himself between two cars. The gap was not big enough, but he did manage to push the other cars out of the way. Did he stop? nope. Just kept going.

I don't think there is any excuse for speeding. Honestly, if everyone else is going fast, try and get the speed limit raised. Don't just speed because everyone else is.

I always go the speed limit on the freeway --- I just go into whatever lane it puts me in. I think that the vast majority of the people driving feel uncomfortable going 75 in a 65 zone, but hesitantly do so just because "everyone else is."

Here's a little experiment for you. If you know of such a freeway where people to a lot faster than the posted limit --- try driving the speed limit, and go in whatever lane that puts you in. You'll find that there will be many people that decide to do the same. You'll notice cars that will hang behind you at a good distance (not tail gating) for a very long distance.

SUVs in general do not handle very well at high speed, so why push it? I was going 65 on the way home from work during the summer, and some a$$h0le merged into my lane before he had even passed me. I had to cut a bit to the left to avoid impact (not a major move by any stretch), and it ended up throwing me into a spin in the fast lane and hitting the median. I was lucky that I was not killed, or no one else was.

You may think that 4Runners are rock solid and stable even at high speed, but all it takes is one minor thing, and you are not going to be able to recover. A blown tire at 65mph won't be as bad as one at 80mph, and so forth.

So before you buy into the peer pressure nonsense, step back and think about it. My pet peeve is people who speed and put my live in danger just because they want to get to work 2 minutes earlier.

Well said. I drive my 4runner at 100mph regulararly (I live in Germany) and it is not really up for those speeds. Too much weight, cg is too high, and it could really use the sport brake rotors. But, with proper spacing and a mature attitude it is fine. Speed by itself is not dangerous speed in the wrong hands is.

 

[BenSD]

Well said. I drive my 4runner at 100mph regulararly (I live in Germany) and it is not really up for those speeds. Too much weight, cg is too high, and it could really use the sport brake rotors. But, with proper spacing and a mature attitude it is fine. Speed by itself is not dangerous speed in the wrong hands is.

That's definitely the problem here in the States. Our roads are not setup for that kind of speed, and the people driving that fast are doing so because they are idiots. If one wants to go the salt flats here in the States and floor it, that's one thing, but not on a road that is setup for 65, and where other cars are literally 10 feet or less apart from each other.

I have a question for those of you who routinely like to go way over the speed limit. Have you ever been in an accident at high speed? Trying to steer a 4Runner at freeway speed when something happens and you lose control is a humbling experience.

 

[Jeff Kleb]

Speed

Speed by itself is not dangerous speed in the wrong hands is.

You are absolutely correct! As someone who drives tractor-trailers for a living, I can attest to that. Spend some time on I-81, I-66 or I-95, and you'll know what I mean.

In some places, going 70 to 75 is much, much safer than driving 55 or 60 in others. Driver behavior and factors other than speed have the greatest effect on safety.

I have lived in and spent time in Germany -- and I would feel safer on the Autobahn at 140 kph (~90 mph) than I would at 100 kph (~62 mph) here in the USA.

The biggest problem here is failure to drive in the proper (rightmost) lane / hogging the passing lane; with the next worst thing being the lack directional signals. People here always think I am psychic and know when they're going to quickly enter my lane or cut in front of me.
:bash:

 

[Jeff Kleb]

That's definitely the problem here in the States. Our roads are not setup for that kind of speed, and the people driving that fast are doing so because they are idiots. If one wants to go the salt flats here in the States and floor it, that's one thing, but not on a road that is setup for 65, and where other cars are literally 10 feet or less apart from each other.

I have a question for those of you who routinely like to go way over the speed limit. Have you ever been in an accident at high speed? Trying to steer a 4Runner at freeway speed when something happens and you lose control is a humbling experience.

You bring up some good points, but our roads (at least our primary Interstates) were designed back in the 1950s to be navigable at 75 to 80 mph. Keep in mind that cars back than had no disc brakes, crappy safety belts (lap belts - if any at all), poor suspensions, ABS was merely a pipe dream and radial tires had yet to be invented!

Our roads are among the best in the world (even with our lack of maintenance in many areas), our cars are designed & built to be better than ever and safety features abound on even the smallest economy car. The problem is lack of driver education and poor skills displayed by most motorists.

For the past 20 years or so, our society has continually been 'dumbed down' in so many ways and most people are just too lazy to put any effort into proper driving behavior. Additionally, our justice system seems to be aimed towards revenue enhancement and collection of fines - rather than at actually improving highway travel to make it safer or more efficient.

I drive almost 100,000 miles per year and can tell you that people who go too slowly are as bad as - or even worse than - those who drive above the speed limit. The dolts who drive too slowly in the wrong lane cause myriad troubles, as well as those idiots who don't bother to signal their intentions. We are not all psychic, you know?

Our police could write lane violations and 'failure to signal' tickets all day long and would not have time to worry about someone going 10 mph over the limit. Weird, huh?

If "speed kills" were always true, then why do states that raise their speed limits generally experience a reduced number of per mile crashes? Conversely, the places with more crashes tend to be zones where the speed limit is reduced (chicken and the egg?) and there is a greater variation in speeds traveled.

This is a very complex issue that involves more than just "speeding" vehicles. There are far too many vested interests (insurance industry, big-government officials, safety nazis, etc.) who favor the status quo and care more about money and power than actually having a smooth, safe, swift and efficient highway system.
:bash:



As an old VW ad for the Rabbit GTI once said, "It is not how fast you go that matters, but how well you go fast."
:bigok:

 

[RonMAIDEN]

Good posting,Jeff. :bigok:

 

[manhunter]

87 in the snow? Down here in Texas, we slow down to 20 with just a dusting of snow, nobody knows how to drive. Anyway, if you switched to bigger tires, lets say from a 265 to a 285, when your speedometer is showing 70, you are actually going 75 or so, unless you had it re-calibrated. On the radar issue, in most states, they do not have to show you the radar, but if requested, they are required to show when the radar was last calibrated, and if it is out of date, your clear, ....., maybe.

 

[jeffrosheen]

How do you figure? [/QUOTE

Your attitude, insnuating that the Cop lied (not that he may of made a mistake), trying to find excuses, and just not owning up to the fact that you were speeding. 87? I'll bet you were doing 90.

AGAIN.... If you read the original post, I know that I was speeding. I own up to the fact that I am a speeder. I had the cruise control set 14 above the speeding limit! This post is about deviation in my spedometer.

My attitude was disbelief that my speedo had that much deviation.

Answer me this:
What would you think if you were going the 65 mph speed limit and were pulled over and given a ticket for going 6.5 mph over? It is all relative

"I'll bet you were doing 90"? What is that supposed to mean?

 

[mklttdv]

You bring up some good points, but our roads (at least our primary Interstates) were designed back in the 1950s to be navigable at 75 to 80 mph. Keep in mind that cars back than had no disc brakes, crappy safety belts (lap belts - if any at all), poor suspensions, ABS was merely a pipe dream and radial tires had yet to be invented!

Our roads are among the best in the world (even with our lack of maintenance in many areas), our cars are designed & built to be better than ever and safety features abound on even the smallest economy car. The problem is lack of driver education and poor skills displayed by most motorists.

For the past 20 years or so, our society has continually been 'dumbed down' in so many ways and most people are just too lazy to put any effort into proper driving behavior. Additionally, our justice system seems to be aimed towards revenue enhancement and collection of fines - rather than at actually improving highway travel to make it safer or more efficient.

I drive almost 100,000 miles per year and can tell you that people who go too slowly are as bad as - or even worse than - those who drive above the speed limit. The dolts who drive too slowly in the wrong lane cause myriad troubles, as well as those idiots who don't bother to signal their intentions. We are not all psychic, you know?

Our police could write lane violations and 'failure to signal' tickets all day long and would not have time to worry about someone going 10 mph over the limit. Weird, huh?

If "speed kills" were always true, then why do states that raise their speed limits generally experience a reduced number of per mile crashes? Conversely, the places with more crashes tend to be zones where the speed limit is reduced (chicken and the egg?) and there is a greater variation in speeds traveled.

This is a very complex issue that involves more than just "speeding" vehicles. There are far too many vested interests (insurance industry, big-government officials, safety nazis, etc.) who favor the status quo and care more about money and power than actually having a smooth, safe, swift and efficient highway system.
:bash:



As an old VW ad for the Rabbit GTI once said, "It is not how fast you go that matters, but how well you go fast."
:bigok:

Jeff,

Extremely well said, It's people like you that restore my faith in humanity The law here in the US from traffic law to frivolous lawsuit to the welfare system are all geared to protect the common idiot which is a pity because it has dragged down our society greatly.

I agree with you wholeheartedly that the problem is not whether or not people speed but rather how they drive that effect the road safety.

You said something about some people failed to signal and I am guilty as charged but for good reasons. I used to signal but as of recently I have found that it's actually better to not signal in most case. Because our roads are filled with idiot that doesn't know how to drive of which in turn fueled the road rage among others. I have noticed an interesting pattern is that if I signal most of the time the car behind me will speed up to block me from changing lane. It's crazy but so many people does that nowadays.

It's not a bad thing to signal but, just as your argument with speed, I think, it's more important that people understand how to change lane properly than to signal. Perhaps you would agree that it's safer for somebody to speed up, or at least maintain their speed, when they change lane without signaling than to signal then slam on their breaks once they get in front of you.

 

[BenSD]

Jeff,


You said something about some people failed to signal and I am guilty as charged but for good reasons. I used to signal but as of recently I have found that it's actually better to not signal in most case. Because our roads are filled with idiot that doesn't know how to drive of which in turn fueled the road rage among others. I have noticed an interesting pattern is that if I signal most of the time the car behind me will speed up to block me from changing lane. It's crazy but so many people does that nowadays.

It's not a bad thing to signal but, just as your argument with speed, I think, it's more important that people understand how to change lane properly than to signal. Perhaps you would agree that it's safer for somebody to speed up, or at least maintain their speed, when they change lane without signaling than to signal then slam on their breaks once they get in front of you.

I will close the gap between me and the car ahead of me if a person is not signaling, and I can tell that they are about to force their way in. If a person signals, I will bend over backwards to let them into the lane.

After having a car cut in front of me without signaling, and causing me to spin into the center divide, I simply don't put up with that crap anymore. But again, if you signal, I'll do all I can to let you in.

I think you seriously need to reconsider your lack of signaling. You are causing just as many problems as you think you are avoiding. The vast majority of the drivers out there will let you in if you put your turn signal on ---- you just have to make sure that they see it.

Also, there may be people in the lane next to you that really want to be in your lane, but are waiting for an opportunity to move over. If you just put on your turn signal, you might find that the person next to you (in front or back) wants to swap lanes with you.

 

[jeffrosheen]

I will close the gap between me and the car ahead of me if a person is not signaling, and I can tell that they are about to force their way in. If a person signals, I will bend over backwards to let them into the lane.

WHY? Doing this is more dangerous than me speeding! Even me the speeder keeps ample distance from the car in front or behind me.

This is the difference in the experience of drivers

 

[leftyguns21]

AGAIN.... If you read the original post, I know that I was speeding. I own up to the fact that I am a speeder. I had the cruise control set 14 above the speeding limit! This post is about deviation in my spedometer.

My attitude was disbelief that my speedo had that much deviation.

Answer me this:
What would you think if you were going the 65 mph speed limit and were pulled over and given a ticket for going 6.5 mph over? It is all relative

So not only were you speeding, but you had the cruise set in the snow? That

 

[jeffrosheen]

So not only were you speeding, but you had the cruise set in the snow? That

 

[BenSD]

I will close the gap between me and the car ahead of me if a person is not signaling, and I can tell that they are about to force their way in. If a person signals, I will bend over backwards to let them into the lane.

WHY? Doing this is more dangerous than me speeding! Even me the speeder keeps ample distance from the car in front or behind me.

This is the difference in the experience of drivers

Simple, IF I had done this simple act, it would have saved me from spinning 180 degrees in the fast lane at 65MPH in dense traffic, and smacking into the center divide before facing the car in the fast lane once I came to a stop.

It's called defensive driving. If I can see that a person is going to try and dangerously cut me off, I am going to do my part to NOT let it happen. If I close the gap, that person is not going to get away with it. IF on the otherhand they signal, I will do my part to let them in. Why is this more dangerous than being taken advantage of by some fool who does not have any common courtesy.

For the record, I am not referring to closing the gap between me and the car *ahead* of me in *my* lane. It's the car that is ahead of me in a line on the side. If I'm in the #1 lane, and there is a 1.5 car length gap between the car ahead of me in the #2 lane --- then I see some guy a lowered civic weaving through traffic who I know is going to cut between me and the car ahead of me in the #2 lane, I will close the gap so he can not get through. If he signals, I may back off and let him in. However, there is NOTHING dangerous about closing the gap so that I do not let any idiot drivers through.

Likewise, if someone cuts me off and does not signal, I'm going to flash my high beams and I may lay down on the horn. 9 times out of 10, the person will then use their turn signal for other moves in traffic for as long as I can see them. When many people realize that other drivers don't appreciate lack of turn signals, they start using them again at least while I can see them.

 

[jeffrosheen]

I am now convinced that you are the ANTI-ME.

1. Why are you going 65 in the fast lane?

2. Why not leave enough room so if someone does surprisingly jump into your lane there is not a problem?

3. I have a lowered Civic

 

[BenSD]

1. Why are you going 65 in the fast lane?

If I was going 70, I would be rear ending someone. As I have stated multiple times, I will drive at the speed limit, and drive in whatever lane that puts me in. When the flow of traffic is going about 65 MPH, I will naturally be in the fast lane.

2. Why not leave enough room so if someone does surprisingly jump into your lane there is not a problem?

I obey the 5 second rule. I leave a 5 second distance between me and the car ahead of me. There is plenty of room between me and the car ahead of me. If you will actually read my statements, I said that I will close the gap between me and the car on either side if I see some idiot trying to pass me on the right and dangerously cut me off in traffic.

3. I have a lowered Civic [/B]

I can't help you with that buddy. Hopefully you aren't the ******* that sent me into the center divide on the 94 here in San Diego.

For the record, I have zero traffic tickets, zero parking tickets and I have a superior driving level with my insurance company so I get an amazing deal on auto insurance. If you take the time and drive courteously, it is possible to save a lot of money on insurance rates. Plus, I'd rather drive safely than like an ass and put other peoples lives in danger.