Obama: US has always paid it's bills
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BigNuge
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LOL...me too. But the railroad company is CSX...lol
Solving existing problems is a long-term process. Moving could solve the short-term problem that appears to be a very frustrating situation of being surrounded by dysfunction. Big Nuge's aggravation and anger must make day-to-day living pretty stressful.
And that's a bad thing?
Motivation isn't accomplished by "jumping down their face," that creates defensiveness. Change doesn't happen when people are defensive. Change is a very slow process, it takes generations since the learned behavior took generations to create.
Teach your children to be responsible, they teach their children, etc. Lead by example, not by attacking. It's a bummer but history supports my point.
Perception is your reality, if you are surrounded by takers your observation seems accurate. I choose not to be surrounded by people that bring me down or present a negative behavior to my kids and grand kids. Talk is good but not criticism that is unproductive. Again, teach your kids to the the change you want to see, behave as you want others to behave.
As far as the millions & millions you can vote but neither you nor I can influence millions. On second thought, maybe you can but I know I can't.
BrianSD_42
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[MENTION=98468]BigNuge[/MENTION]
How many kids do you have?
Having 2.5 (aka 3) kids used to be the US norm. ... I'm just trying to understand what you are preaching.
BigNuge
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I have one, a conscious decision. With things going the way they are that is all I can comfortably support, and I make very good money for the industry I'm in.
Paramount in that decision is the fact I can comfortably support my family and provide for them in all aspects.
That one decision is all I would ever expect anyone to consider. You must have a grip on what you can provide. You can't simply approach life without really taking into account how much you can provide....plain and simple.
BrianSD_42
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The funny thing is [MENTION=98468]BigNuge[/MENTION] is that the kids are not the problem.
I don't know if you have a background in economics or not but if those kids are properly educated and stay out of crime then they have a positive net impact on the future economy. It is on the positive side BY FAR for each child born.
The true negatives on the future economy are those people "taking" without putting in, such as 100% SSI Disability (eg that idiot in UT who knocked over the rock) and those living on benefits when they could work but choose not to, AND especially those sucked into the prison system. Locking people up who are non-violent (over imprisonment) is a net negative for everyone, ALL taxpayers. The children of baby boomers who are age 25-35 and living at home with their parents because they majored in basket weaving are not helping much either.
We need future workers to support the future economy, even if those workers are the children of immigrants etc. THE BIG CATCH is that we also need them to grow up in a positive, non-violent household, non-crime, well educated, hope for the future ETC kind of lifestyle. How do you get there with so many problems?
BUT MY MAIN POINT is that having kids, even more than 2 does not damage the economy, in fact we need those kids. If the families cannot provide then those kids need to be taken care of by other means such as charity, church, or government. BUT we still need the kids and we still need more then we have now. If you are unsure or disagree with me I suggest looking into Japan's worker age problems.
If the child rate went down say 20% for the next decade that would have devastating affects on our future economy.
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I won't presume to speak for BigNuge. But it seemed clear to me that he was saying people need to be responsible for their own actions. If those actions include having children, they should be prepared to take care of them.
Here's an example of someone that has absolutely no personal responsibility.
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BigNuge
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I agree with most of your post here.
Also, I wasn't inferring that the kids were the problem necessarily. I was eluding to the fact that the parents felt no responsibility, or call to show some discipline in regards to not having all those damn kids. They couldn't afford the first one and they went and had 2 more. No defense for that....
How Are the Children?
Adapted by Pat Hoertdoerfer from an excerpt of a speech by Rev. Dr. Patrick T. O'Neill
Among the most accomplished and fabled tribes of Africa, no tribe was considered to have warriors more fearsome or more intelligent than the mighty Masai. It is perhaps surprising, then, to learn the traditional greeting that passed between Masai warriors:"Kasserian Ingera," one would always say to another. It means, "And how are the children?"
It is still the traditional greeting among the Masai, acknowledging the high value that the Masai always place on their children's well-being. Even warriors with no children of their own would always give the traditional answer, "All the children are well." Meaning, of course, that peace and safety prevail, that the priorities of protecting the young, the powerless, are in place. That Masai society has not forgotten its reason for being, its proper functions and responsibilities. "All the children are well" means that life is good. It means that the daily struggles for existence do not preclude proper caring for their young.
I wonder how it might affect our consciousness of our own children's welfare if in our culture we took to greeting each other with this daily question: "And how are the children?" I wonder if we heard that question and passed it along to each other a dozen times a day, if it would begin to make a difference in the reality of how children are thought of or cared about in our own country.
I wonder if every adult among us, parent and non-parent alike, felt an equal weight for the daily care and protection of all the children in our community, in our town, in our state, in our country. . . . I wonder if we could truly say without any hesitation, "The children are well, yes, all the children are well."
What would it be like . . . if the minister began every worship service by answering the question, "And how are the children?" If every town leader had to answer the question at the beginning of every meeting: "And how are the children? Are they all well?" Wouldn't it be interesting to hear their answers? What would it be like? I wonder . . .
Adapted by Pat Hoertdoerfer from an excerpt of a speech by Rev. Dr. Patrick T. O'Neill
Among the most accomplished and fabled tribes of Africa, no tribe was considered to have warriors more fearsome or more intelligent than the mighty Masai. It is perhaps surprising, then, to learn the traditional greeting that passed between Masai warriors:"Kasserian Ingera," one would always say to another. It means, "And how are the children?"
It is still the traditional greeting among the Masai, acknowledging the high value that the Masai always place on their children's well-being. Even warriors with no children of their own would always give the traditional answer, "All the children are well." Meaning, of course, that peace and safety prevail, that the priorities of protecting the young, the powerless, are in place. That Masai society has not forgotten its reason for being, its proper functions and responsibilities. "All the children are well" means that life is good. It means that the daily struggles for existence do not preclude proper caring for their young.
I wonder how it might affect our consciousness of our own children's welfare if in our culture we took to greeting each other with this daily question: "And how are the children?" I wonder if we heard that question and passed it along to each other a dozen times a day, if it would begin to make a difference in the reality of how children are thought of or cared about in our own country.
I wonder if every adult among us, parent and non-parent alike, felt an equal weight for the daily care and protection of all the children in our community, in our town, in our state, in our country. . . . I wonder if we could truly say without any hesitation, "The children are well, yes, all the children are well."
What would it be like . . . if the minister began every worship service by answering the question, "And how are the children?" If every town leader had to answer the question at the beginning of every meeting: "And how are the children? Are they all well?" Wouldn't it be interesting to hear their answers? What would it be like? I wonder . . .
BigNuge
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Received.
And my friends children are pretty well. I worry about his oldest daughter. She is a beautiful young woman and her father tells me the boys are beating down the door. I pray she is using her head and being smart. That is the very point I am trying to make. If she pulls from her parents' example she will not appropriately appreciate the gravity of the decision to be stupid about having a baby. All good so far but they are starting to have pretty heavy fights and relationship issues.
Now, I am SURE that the Masai society socially shames ANYONE not pulling their weight. I would wager to say it is a rarity that one does not pull his/her weight in a society like that. Other than elders and very young children I bet they all get their ass up and get shit done!!!
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I'm also sure a Masai would not stand by when a child could benefit from their mentoring. Talk to her yourself, if her parents object that's the time you should get in their face.
A short story: I was sitting with my daughter on her front porch last summer as we watched her 4 kids and a boatload of kids from the neighborhood playing in the street. An older girl was walking by and said hi to her and she replied with "Where you heading?" and the girl replied "To hang with some friends" and my daughter told her "Be careful, be smart, remember?"
It may be a cliche but the old "it takes a village to raise a child" is true and being able to talk to and mentor other people's kids can be invaluable, especially those who don't get good parenting at home.
It's times like that that show me that we did good.
BrianSD_42
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The next logical step, Because yes of course there are some really terrible parents, is to have the responsible people (aka the elected officials of the republic) exert more control or provide more support on how the kids are raised.
This is unpopular of course with both conservatives and liberals so nothing will ever change.
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RunninInGA
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I don't believe it's the governments job to be those or any other kids parental authority in this situation, nor their financial backers. Throwing more government at a problem that was created by government intervention and regulation is ridiculous. This is clearly generational. There's not just 1 poor person there, there's 16 poor people there that are learning this is just the way life goes - you get what Uncle Sam puts in your monthly check and rent subsidies and food stamps and and and and.
In our system, these 16 people will likely never rise out of this way of life - they will only bring another generation into the same conditions - perpetuated by a lack of true intervention of what is clearly a disservice in the long term.
Why would these people ever vote for a candidate, assuming they vote, that would be a threat to their way of life? They will fight tooth and nail believing with their heart that it's right but the end result will be additional mouths to feed and rents to subsidize, etc. as has been the case here.
More importantly, it is abundantly clear that a vast majority of politicians, those with any real influence anyway, play for the same team. THAT is the reason why this will never change.
Agree or not, this is the opinion of a hillbilly from Georgia - so take it for what it's worth to you.
BigNuge
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Well said sir!!!
nevada
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was it this thread that randydaytona was saying he had to work a long weekend shift, without pay, to catch up on the work he was allowed to do during the furlough?
Government shutdown: Killer bees win, beer exporters lose
he may have worked that weekend for free, but he got paid for the rest of that time he didn't work....
Government shutdown: Killer bees win, beer exporters lose
he may have worked that weekend for free, but he got paid for the rest of that time he didn't work....
