October Camping Trip #5- THE COVE!!!

Willis did mention that some signs were posted on the trails. From the way he said it, it didn't sound too earth shattering.

I mean, if we are on a trail called "dirt trail" all we know is that we are lost on "dirt trail". LOL

Sounds like some smart people on here are making progress with a map though.:usa2:

The signs I saw on my (admittedly limited) loop just looked like mile markers (6.0, 6.5, 7, etc.). Kind of expected more given the Big Dogs sign by the check in.

To be fair though, maybe the Big Dogs club only signed more challenging areas.

LOL, Dirt trail... I hear you. Hopefully the lead vehicle in each group will have an offline map saved so they can at least know "turning right heads closer to camp vs farther away." Even Google maps on a phone will let you save a waypoint, so that should give the group a zero cost option for finding a bearing WRT camp if needed.

Not that that will solve the problem of a truck trail turning into a 4wheeler trail after a mile with no turnarounds...
 
The signs I saw on my (admittedly limited) loop just looked like mile markers (6.0, 6.5, 7, etc.). Kind of expected more given the Big Dogs sign by the check in.

To be fair though, maybe the Big Dogs club only signed more challenging areas.

LOL, Dirt trail... I hear you. Hopefully the lead vehicle in each group will have an offline map saved so they can at least know "turning right heads closer to camp vs farther away." Even Google maps on a phone will let you save a waypoint, so that should give the group a zero cost option for finding a bearing WRT camp if needed.

Not that that will solve the problem of a truck trail turning into a 4wheeler trail after a mile with no turnarounds...

With the spotty cell coverage, phone may not be the best option, however, for the most part, down hill is good if trying to get back to camp, and when the shooting range is hot, definitely helps. I'm gonna work up something respectable on paper. I was hoping the trail signs might have names...that way I don't have to name them all "dirt road" or trail "a, b...3,4...omega, epsilon"...you smell what I'm steppin in here I'm sure.

If Ant calls on the CB and says he needs a clevis over at "Vaseline Vision", I can tell him I'm over at "Beer Log" or I'm busy in the "Tank Trap", trying to jack [MENTION=112177]4RnR Grl[/MENTION] back out of it.
 
With the spotty cell coverage, phone may not be the best option, however, for the most part, down hill is good if trying to get back to camp, and when the shooting range is hot, definitely helps. I'm gonna work up something respectable on paper. I was hoping the trail signs might have names...that way I don't have to name them all "dirt road" or trail "a, b...3,4...omega, epsilon"...you smell what I'm steppin in here I'm sure.

If Ant calls on the CB and says he needs a clevis over at "Vaseline Vision", I can tell him I'm over at "Beer Log" or I'm busy in the "Tank Trap", trying to jack [MENTION=112177]4RnR Grl[/MENTION] back out of it.

If it comes down to it, I think we should name all the trails after female anatomy.

Sorry Corey :redface:
 
If it comes down to it, I think we should name all the trails after female anatomy.

Sorry Corey :redface:

Corey....it's a big brown hole...and after last year, it's definitely your big brown muddy hole.

So glad I'm dealing with a Jarhead that has a sense of humor. Nothing worse than having to place tripwires around your tent every night.
 
Hell no, lol. The girls picked out the design. Go figure- every year they pick we win.

I added to the original a little...

But- I have still have mad carving skills- just look at that detail work.:artist2:
Ok new rule for the pumpkin carving... no templates or overlays... let's see who actually has some skills.
 
My contest my rules. I'm pulling rank here. Sorry!

Get your own pumpkin carving contest lady.

Soooo what you're trying to say is that you have no REAL pumpkin carving skills. No artistic ability. So basically you can trace.....
 

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Welp I'm here at medical getting my stitches removed and some kid walks in with a laceration on his thumb.... said he was carving a pumpkin.
 
My contest my rules. I'm pulling rank here. Sorry!

Get your own pumpkin carving contest lady.

This is gonna get interesting fast. I didn't think we were gonna get Rembrants. I should contact Discovery....Gourd Master season 1 "The Cove". Add Joe Rogan and offroad challenges...
 
With the spotty cell coverage, phone may not be the best option, however, for the most part, down hill is good if trying to get back to camp [...] you smell what I'm steppin in here I'm sure.

Yeah, I'm right there with you and completely agree. If anyone is interested in a relatively affordable option for downloading a map at home and using it on your mobile phone or tablet check out GaiaGPS $20 and Hema Explorer North America $20 (read this post before buying Hema though). I did a MD>NC>WY>MT>MD trip in my new truck this summer and used Gaia extensively since Tmobile pretty much doesn't work anywhere outside of major metro areas or major highways.

You basically connect to your home wifi, select the map and area you want to download to your device, hit GO, and when you're out of your coverage region the map is cached locally so no need for connectivity. Gaia also has a convenient feature to "download along a route." That way if you already have a track in a KML file, you can automagically download a radius around your route with a pretty low level of effort. Gaia has roadmaps, openstreetmap, USGS topo, USFS raster (< my two personal favorites), satellite, and others all bundled in the one time/$20 bundle -- no need to pay extra for GaiaPro.

A recent Google Maps update made the free offline maps option a little more convenient, but doesn't provide terrain/topo information.

If Ant calls on the CB and says he needs a clevis over at "Vaseline Vision", I can tell him I'm over at "Beer Log" or I'm busy in the "Tank Trap"

<b>Great call</b> on the paper map. Even if it's rough, it will be a good common reference for everybody and always smart to have a backup. +1 vote for "Vaseline Vision," "Beer Log," and, "Tank Trap" making it onto the official list of trail names.

Less than a week to go now. Looking forward to those trail reports!
 
Soooo what you're trying to say is that you have no REAL pumpkin carving skills. No artistic ability. So basically you can trace.....

My contest my rules. I'm pulling rank here. Sorry!

Get your own pumpkin carving contest lady.

YOU carve the one I just did and see how it looks...:fear:

I got plenty of talent- but the contest is open to stencils if people want to use them. I doubt i will use one anyway- I'm going full custom...

Maybe you can carve a stuck 4Runner since that's what you do best.:target:

Shits gettin' real up in here, lol!
 
Yeah, I'm right there with you and completely agree. If anyone is interested in a relatively affordable option for downloading a map at home and using it on your mobile phone or tablet check out GaiaGPS $20 and Hema Explorer North America $20 (read this post before buying Hema though). I did a MD>NC>WY>MT>MD trip in my new truck this summer and used Gaia extensively since Tmobile pretty much doesn't work anywhere outside of major metro areas or major highways.

You basically connect to your home wifi, select the map and area you want to download to your device, hit GO, and when you're out of your coverage region the map is cached locally so no need for connectivity. Gaia also has a convenient feature to "download along a route." That way if you already have a track in a KML file, you can automagically download a radius around your route with a pretty low level of effort. Gaia has roadmaps, openstreetmap, USGS topo, USFS raster (< my two personal favorites), satellite, and others all bundled in the one time/$20 bundle -- no need to pay extra for GaiaPro.

A recent Google Maps update made the free offline maps option a little more convenient, but doesn't provide terrain/topo information.



<b>Great call</b> on the paper map. Even if it's rough, it will be a good common reference for everybody and always smart to have a backup. +1 vote for "Vaseline Vision," "Beer Log," and, "Tank Trap" making it onto the official list of trail names.

Less than a week to go now. Looking forward to those trail reports!

I just downloaded Motion X-GPS last week because that was all I heard about. I don't know if it'll be any good...Any insight?
Question-
How do these apps track your position if they lose GPS signal? Or is it the map is stored and they still track you via GPS? I don't get it.
 
I just downloaded Motion X-GPS last week because that was all I heard about. I don't know if it'll be any good...Any insight?
Question-
How do these apps track your position if they lose GPS signal? Or is it the map is stored and they still track you via GPS? I don't get it.

If you lose GPS, well, youre done with GPS...but you still have a map. If it shows terrain, hopefully you can figure it out. I run an external hockey puck GPS antenna to get around foliage and steep valley signal loss.

When you have any type of rasterized map data stored offline, you can lose signal, or turn your data off completely, as long as you have the GPS enabled, and do not have it set to figure your position on tower/WiFi info only.
 
I just downloaded Motion X-GPS last week because that was all I heard about. I don't know if it'll be any good...Any insight?

I haven't used Motion X, so not sure how it will do. One of the key things for me when deciding on a platform for the vehicle was diversity of maps available, web interface for managing maps/tracks/waypoints (gets you off of the little phone screen when you're back at home), active updates/upgrades/bug fixes from the developer, and "cloud" sync. The cloud sync thing is more of a convenience, but it's a big convenience in that is saves you from having to move around a bunch of tracks, waypoints, etc. -- with sync enabled, once you're home and the device with all of your new tracks picks up your wifi, those tracks are backed up to your cloud account and available through the web interface or on your other devices.

Question-
How do these apps track your position if they lose GPS signal? Or is it the map is stored and they still track you via GPS? I don't get it.

Apologies in advance if I'm over explaining here, but figured I'd dump it all out in the interest of information sharing...

<b>How GPS transceiver and map tiles work to plot your location on a picture of a map</b>
The GPS transceiver in your phone/tablet just provides location (just the dot on the map that shows where you are). Maps are normally streamed to the device in near real-time via your mobile data connection. Offline maps are stored local to the device so that when there is no data connection available to download the map tiles, your location (calculated via the GPS transceiver) can still be overlayed on top of the maps you saved to your device.

<b>How the GPS transceiver calculates your location</b>
Your location is calculated by your phone/tablet's GPS transceiver (triangulated by contacting >= 3 satellites -- I'm no expert, but that's the basic on how position identification works). If heavy tree cover causes your GPS to lose signal (e.g., not enough satellites to calculate location) the accuracy of your position will decrease, causing your location indicator (dot) to "drift." I can say anecdotally that the GPS transceiver connectivity in modern mobile devices is generally pretty solid (within +/- 30ft of your actual position) even with tree cover overhead). This will be less of an issue as more leaves continue to fall off of the trees, opening up more sky. As a data point, I still carry my GPSmap62s in the glovebox for emergencies and for fishing/on foot/boat etc.

<b>How a track of your position is recorded</b>
In your mapping software, if track recording is turned on, the map software records the location position data from your GPS transceiver (usually after you've traveled a certain distance (once every 10ft or so)) and displays it on a map as a line showing where you've been.

In other words, the mapping software uses the "temporary" position data from the GPS and saves it as multiple "permanent" location data points somewhere else on your phone/tablet. The mapping software then uses these "permanent" location data points to draw a line and then overlays this line on whichever map you've selected in the mapping software (USGS topo, USFS raster, satellite, etc.). Since the mapping software has saved these location data points as a permanent "track," you can rename the track to something memorable like "Vaseline Vision" for example :)

<b>How to keep your phone/tablet battery powered up</b>
Needless to say, running screen on full-time plus GPS on full-time is a phone/tablet battery killer. Bringing a power cable (+backup) and adapter for the truck are key for making this setup a reliable primary nav system that you can edit on the fly w/ custom maps.

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That's way more than I set out to write, but hope it helps... gonna go get some work done.
 
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I used Gaia this weekend to explore forest service rds and double track trails, its very easy to use and the website interface makes planning incredibly easy.

I strongly recommend Gaia over Hema for the reasons other people have listed. Whatever app you use, if its one that will save and let you export a track it can be loaded into whatever other app of website you want to use (assuming its using a standard .gpx format and not something proprietary).
<b>How to keep your phone/tablet battery powered up</b>
Needless to say, running screen on full-time plus GPS on full-time is a phone/tablet battery killer. Bringing a power cable (+backup) and adapter for the truck are key for making this setup a reliable primary nav system that you can edit on the fly w/ custom maps.

also, if you don't have a cell signal put your phone in airplane mode, your phone wastes a lot of power trying to find a signal when you are out of range.
 
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YOU carve the one I just did and see how it looks...:fear:

I got plenty of talent- but the contest is open to stencils if people want to use them. I doubt i will use one anyway- I'm going full custom...

Maybe you can carve a stuck 4Runner since that's what you do best.:target:

Shits gettin' real up in here, lol!
Heeeeyyyyyy I like getting stuck! [emoji23] [emoji23]

I probably won't carve a pumpkin. I just like getting you all fired up... [emoji13] [emoji13]
 
This really blows now, you guys are carving pumpkins, getting lost on trails, and the one expert skill I have, reading a map, is not available. How about we just postpone this till next year...hahaha. I'd probably just fill a pumpkin with moonshine, call it pumpkin spice shine, and drink it right out of the pumpkin.

This looks like it's going to be an awesome year, sucks we're missing out. Blame the regards I work for! [MENTION=132027]OneGreenTaco[/MENTION] you know no matter what she's setting trip wires and booby traps, once they put their head in the jar in never comes out.
 
I used Gaia this weekend to explore forest service rds and double track trails, its very easy to use and the website interface makes planning incredibly easy.

I strongly recommend Gaia over Hema for the reasons other people have listed. Whatever app you use, if its one that will save and let you export a track it can be loaded into whatever other app of website you want to use (assuming its using a standard .gpx format and not something proprietary).


also, if you don't have a cell signal put your phone in airplane mode, your phone wastes a lot of power trying to find a signal when you are out of range.



I'll take a beginners group out Sat am around 1000 or 1100. Prefer trail or truck noobs. Just need a paper map and to talk to the pros before departing.

We should deconflict routes and CB freqs of all groups before jumping off to avoid bumping into each other and having to turn around. Would be even better if we could get a volunteer to sit on high ground to serve as a comma relay between groups and to call for tows if needed.

Is
The position of Good Idea Fairy already taken or can I still apply?


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I'll take a beginners group out Sat am around 1000 or 1100. Prefer trail or truck noobs. Just need a paper map and to talk to the pros before departing.

We should deconflict routes and CB freqs of all groups before jumping off to avoid bumping into each other and having to turn around. Would be even better if we could get a volunteer to sit on high ground to serve as a comma relay between groups and to call for tows if needed.

Is
The position of Good Idea Fairy already taken or can I still apply?


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Whatever happens don't let [MENTION=65614]Antman[/MENTION] have you drag a broken shock for a couple miles before you figure out its broken....ha!
 
I'll take a beginners group out Sat am around 1000 or 1100. Prefer trail or truck noobs. Just need a paper map and to talk to the pros before departing.

We should deconflict routes and CB freqs of all groups before jumping off to avoid bumping into each other and having to turn around. Would be even better if we could get a volunteer to sit on high ground to serve as a comma relay between groups and to call for tows if needed.

Is
The position of Good Idea Fairy already taken or can I still apply?


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I would take you up on that offer. We are still getting comfortable in the off-road realm. I've done the 101 at Rausch Creek and a Green guided ride.

I def don't mind pushing things that would allow me to learn. I would however like to avoid having to walk home alone because I couldn't keep up...
 

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