Official T4R "Firearms" thread

[TheeMikeB]

Took the required Action Pistol Orientation class at my local range on Saturday. In order to get certified for this range I need to shoot either and IDPA or USPSA match to complete the certification process. I Plan on shooting at the USPSA match this Sunday and the IDPA match in a few weeks.

Want to shoot both to see which I like more. Anyone here shoot in either and if so which do you prefer and why?

 

[TheeMikeB]

Took the required Action Pistol Orientation class at my local range on Saturday. In order to get certified for this range I need to shoot either and IDPA or USPSA match to complete the certification process. I Plan on shooting at the USPSA match this Sunday and the IDPA match in a few weeks.

Want to shoot both to see which I like more. Anyone here shoot in either and if so which do you prefer and why?

 

[LandCruiser]

sport comes with no forward assist or dust cover.

I've always debated if either is really necessary.

I've often forgotten to put up the dust cover on my Colts.

 

[JBecker]

I've always debated if either is really necessary.

I've often forgotten to put up the dust cover on my Colts.

Only necessary in harsh conditions or where routine maintenance is going to be tough to perform for a while. The dust cover is helpful at keeping the bolt carrier cleaner for longer periods of time in the field.

For those who were taught the "SPORTS" method of loading an M4 it's habit to tap the forward assist after releasing the charging handle to ensure you have a round in battery. And while you can get away with using your finger to bump the bolt forward if needed, it's gonna be painful after a mag dump.

Something I also do to ensure I have a round chambered and in battery is take note of whether the round in the mag is on the left or right prior to loading. I will insert the mag, make sure its seated, then release the charging handle, I'll then bump the FA to make sure it's in battery. Now I remove the mag, and the top round should be on the other side now, and I know I'm good to go.

Yeah I could do a press check, but any time I can avoid partially un-chambering a round from the weapon, and then re-chambering it, I will.

Also after doing a press check on a pistol I will tap the back of the slide to ensure it's back in battery.

 

[JBecker]

Then again, plenty of other semiautomatics get away just fine without a FA.

 

[M1911]

Took the required Action Pistol Orientation class at my local range on Saturday. In order to get certified for this range I need to shoot either and IDPA or USPSA match to complete the certification process. I Plan on shooting at the USPSA match this Sunday and the IDPA match in a few weeks.

Want to shoot both to see which I like more. Anyone here shoot in either and if so which do you prefer and why?

I've mostly shot IDPA for the past couple years. I'm an IDPA SO and have competed in 1/2 a dozen sanctioned matches. The group that I belong to put on the New England Regional match every August, and I've worked that match for the past two years.

But I think that I'll be shooting USPSA more this year. I'm just sick of where IDPA is going. I had high hopes for the new rule book, but they pooched it. The clarifications made it worse. Standing reloads FTMFL.

The basic problem in IDPA is that three of the people running it (Joyce Wilson, Robert Ray, and Kitty Richards) are basically marksmen. They really don't know or understand the sport.

 

[zopperman]

So I know I spoke to [MENTION=77530]RunninInGA[/MENTION] amogst others last semester about my thesis i'm writing on a gun buyback program - well i did a lot of the data analysis and I'm convinced that these programs are useless. I know most of you probably don't think you need statistics to prove this, but I think that my tests were more rigorous than a lot of previous research, despite the same findings. Here are some graphs and stuff, I can go into more detail or start a new thread if you want

The first is the 2 mile radius of the buyback I used for a diff in diff analysis, the findings of which were statistically insignificant. The second is a graph of gun crime over time (# incidents per month) and the last is gun crime by density (10000 sq. foot "cells in philly)

 

[TheeMikeB]

I've mostly shot IDPA for the past couple years. I'm an IDPA SO and have competed in 1/2 a dozen sanctioned matches. The group that I belong to put on the New England Regional match every August, and I've worked that match for the past two years.

But I think that I'll be shooting USPSA more this year. I'm just sick of where IDPA is going. I had high hopes for the new rule book, but they pooched it. The clarifications made it worse. Standing reloads FTMFL.

The basic problem in IDPA is that three of the people running it (Joyce Wilson, Robert Ray, and Kitty Richards) are basically marksmen. They really don't know or understand the sport.

Yeah from what I understand about IDPA is it is a little more restricted and controlled. I didn't realize about the standing reloads. That's kinda dumb, I also heard that you can't drop a mag on the ground if it has rounds left in it? Which would seem cumbersome to manage if you are planning your shots and trying to control a threat.

I do like the 'practical ' staging of it and the 'real world' scenarios it creates vs the USPSA seemingly focused view on shooting targets/time.

Either way I think they both will be fun and I'll just have to do a little of both to see which I like more. At the end of the day i'm just trying to get more trigger time and comfort with my home defense/go to pistol.

Thanks for the reply.

 

[SV_Dude]

I've always debated if either is really necessary.

I've often forgotten to put up the dust cover on my Colts.

Keep in mind that these AR platforms were designed around military use. Most M-4's and M-16's are used in a dirty environment where a dust cover is important to keep debris out and help prevent jams. For the average person a dust cover may not be necessary since their rifles see maybe 100-500 rounds a month at a range and is cleaned right after. Most times at the range there isn't a whole lot of dust, dirt or debris flying around to worry about.

Edit: The forward assist in my mind is a useless part. I have used the M-16's and M-4's in just about every variant that they come in through the military. I have rarely had any jams and the jams that I have had were easily cleared. The military teaches you a method called S.P.O.R.T.S. to clear a jam. Slap the mag up to make sure it's seated. Pull the charging handle back. Observe that a round or shell comes out of the ejection port. Release the charging handle. Tap the forward assist to ensure the bolt is fully seated. Squeeze the trigger to continue firing. Any time I clear a jam I do those steps but skip the forward assist part. I have never once used the forward assist in the tens of thousands of rounds I have put through an M-4 and have never had any issues with not using it.

 

[M1911]

Yeah from what I understand about IDPA is it is a little more restricted and controlled. I didn't realize about the standing reloads. That's kinda dumb, I also heard that you can't drop a mag on the ground if it has rounds left in it?

Yup, you can't drop a magazine that has rounds in it. The only exception to that is if you are clearing a malfunction (like a double-feed). If you run dry, you can dump the empty magazine. But if the gun isn't empty and you want to reload, you must do a tactical reload (retain the partially full magazine).

USPSA style speed-reloads (chamber full but magazine empty) are illegal as well.

The new IDPA rules seem to be designed to force everyone to shoot the stage the same way. One of the things that I like about USPSA is you are given a problem and it is yours to solve. If you come up with a bad stage plan, well, you're screwed. But if you come up with a good stage plan and execute it well, you can really improve your score.

 

[TheeMikeB]

. The military teaches you a method called S.P.O.R.T.S. to clear a jam. Slap the mag up to make sure it's seated. Pull the charging handle back. Observe that a round or shell comes out of the ejection port. Release the charging handle. Tap the forward assist to ensure the bolt is fully seated. Squeeze the trigger to continue firing.

I haven't heard that acronym since the rifle range in bootcamp back in 91! Totally forgot about that one!

 

[hrt4me]

i can get a .22 lr or a 12g what are your guys thoughts?

what would be your intended use(s) for each?

 

[SV_Dude]

So I made an impulse gun purchase tonight. I had no intention of buying another pistol for a while but I saw the new love of my life and I had to have it.

I grabbed a new Sig 1911 Spartan. This pistol really is a work of art! It has Molon Labe in greek that is inlaid with 24k gold etched on the side. Spartan grips, night sights, the works! I absolutely love this pistol. My wife is usually not very enthusiastic about my pistols but she wants another one just for her... well, let's just say there's a second one on order.

 

[541joseph]

what would be your intended use(s) for each?

I would use them as target shooting and just shooting for fun and for home protection.

 

[Dawg4Runner]

The scope mount finally arrived so now the S&B's on top of the LaRue PredatOBR. Changed some items and added an Atlas bipod, monopod and Troy FDE folding iron sights.. I swapped out the R.A.T. stock for a UBR stock and changed the grip and panels from black to FDE. Also changed to a Battle Arms 45 degree ambi safety and Raptor charging handle.

GDI P-ROM-L Quick Detach scope mount.

From tool box to functioning stick in less then a minute.:sniper:

 

[hrt4me]

I would use them as target shooting and just shooting for fun and for home protection.

right now, .22lr is difficult to find and often overpriced when you do manage to locate some, whereas 12 gauge shotshells, buckshot and slugs are plentiful, and you could even load your own...

 

[541joseph]

right now, .22lr is difficult to find and often overpriced when you do manage to locate some, whereas 12 gauge shotshells, buckshot and slugs are plentiful, and you could even load your own...

Ok thanks! I was thinking 12gage anyways just because it cost less and is better for protection. Thanks for your input!

 

[TheeMikeB]

So I made an impulse gun purchase tonight. I had no intention of buying another pistol for a while but I saw the new love of my life and I had to have it.

I grabbed a new Sig 1911 Spartan. This pistol really is a work of art! It has Molon Labe in greek that is inlaid with 24k gold etched on the side. Spartan grips, night sights, the works! I absolutely love this pistol. My wife is usually not very enthusiastic about my pistols but she wants another one just for her... well, let's just say there's a second one on order.

That sure is pretty... what did that set you back?

 

[JBecker]

Nice stick [MENTION=69441]Dawg4Runner[/MENTION]!

 

[SV_Dude]

That sure is pretty... what did that set you back?

1140 out the door. I picked it up on post so there was no tax.