darkie3495
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Ha...we'll be the other modded 4Runner with a modded Tacoma.
Official T4R "Firearms" thread
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Ha...we'll be the other modded 4Runner with a modded Tacoma.
the great him
Elite Member
My most recent addition
Browning X bolt 300wm just had the barrel threaded and a muzzle brake added, waiting on my tax stamp
Browning X bolt 300wm just had the barrel threaded and a muzzle brake added, waiting on my tax stamp
the great him
Elite Member
LandCruiser
New member
Added a second G19 (bottom) last week so I took her out for a spin...literally.
I de-Rolanded my G19.
I couldn't find that I shot it any better than stock.
Bodie the Dog
Banned
"well regulated"
I own about a half dozen guns myself. Bought a couple, inherited more. I like shooting and blowing things up. I like being prepared for the bad guys, whom I do see in my travels. I do hunt mulies and black tails.
But I also recognize certain truths, as much as I don't like them. The 2nd Amendment calls for a "well regulated milita." How can that part of the amendment be ignored? Words matter. Those were inserted for a reason.
Can we have a civil debate on this subject? What am I missing?
TIA, BTD
I own about a half dozen guns myself. Bought a couple, inherited more. I like shooting and blowing things up. I like being prepared for the bad guys, whom I do see in my travels. I do hunt mulies and black tails.
But I also recognize certain truths, as much as I don't like them. The 2nd Amendment calls for a "well regulated milita." How can that part of the amendment be ignored? Words matter. Those were inserted for a reason.
Can we have a civil debate on this subject? What am I missing?
TIA, BTD
Gunslinger-13
New member
What you are missing is an understanding of words; in so far as the context and meaning of the words as written at the time they were written.
I have posted ad naseum about people needing to read the Federalist papers, Washingtons farewell address, etc. But it seems you just want to stir the pot instead of actually put in the work and discuss it in a civil debate fashion.
So here is some stuff to look into, Bodie.
Meaning of the phrase "well-regulated"
The phrase "well-regulated" was in common use long before 1789, and remained so for a century thereafter. It referred to the property of something being in proper working order. Something that was well-regulated was calibrated correctly, functioning as expected. Establishing government oversight of the people's arms was not only not the intent in using the phrase in the 2nd amendment, it was precisely to render the government powerless to do so that the founders wrote it.
-SO... it means to keep ones arms in good working order, to service them, to maintain them and to keep them in a ready workable state.
You want to ascribe a different meaning to those words, a meaning of a "Governmental body regulating things" which is completely out of context and incorrect.
What's next, Bodie?
96RedRunner
Senior Member
Nice setup all around, courious about your choice of radial brake vs side port brake. Radial is great on a bench, prone in the field is what got me to change to side port. Radials do look better though.
LandCruiser
New member
Supreme court already took care of that for so you don't have to play liberal word games about militias or what purpose privately owned guns serve.
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the great him
Elite Member
I chose it for looks honestly, I couldn't find a side port that I liked, I rarely will be prone in the field, sure it's possible but I'll probably be standing and or resting against something or kneeling. The radial is kinda all encompassing... Doesn't do anyone thing great but overall it's good. And it will reduce a lot of the kick that the 300wm has to offer. A couple of guys told me it's gonna make it closer to a 240, I'll be happy if it makes it like a 273... I was having the barrel threaded for the can anyways and this is just to be on there when the can isn't so yeah the big part is looks.
96RedRunner
Senior Member
They do reduce recoil, when your using can you'll be back to full on kick correct ?
Something I use in my big bore long guns is the mercury filled recoil suppresors that shotgunners use, they work great.
Have 35 Whelen break action singleshot 6 lb's kick feels like a 7-08, 30-378 Wby mag tamed down also.
Something to think about if you haven't heard of them.
Seattle206
Senior Member
Back out in Ellensburg. Barely any wind made banging that 1000yd gong too easy.
Charlievee
Senior Member
GUNS ARE BAD! I'M SO TRIGGERED! :toilet:
Rekkr
New member
Back out in Ellensburg. Barely any wind made banging that 1000yd gong too easy.
Always a good day when the wind plays nice for some long shots
Saker
Senior Member
Bought this Remington 85196 Model 700 Stainless Black Cerekote 5-R Gen 2 .308 and outfitted it with a Nikon BLACK X1000 4-16x50SF Matte Illuminated X-MOA Reticle in some Seekins 30mm Rings on an Area 419 SA full Picatinny Rail.
Installed a Timney Trigger, set it a 1# 8oz
Installed a Timney Trigger, set it a 1# 8oz
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Bodie the Dog
Banned
sorry about the delay...
I gave myself a timeout from the Internet, ha, and then got the flu. Thanks for bearing with me.
You are reaching, in trying to interpret that phrase. It's like Bill Clinton arguing about the meaning of the word, "is."
I guess the problem is that you don't believe in a changing constitution? I mean, trying to decipher the meaning of the founding fathers based upon non-verified, 200 year old documents is not the most accurate process. They wrote it when the average citizen, even the richest citizens, weren't able to purchase weapons anywhere near today's firepower. So we have to look at intent, which gets messy.
I think the constitution should change with the times. If you disagree, then I guess that means you're opposed to the constitutional amendments, like making beer legal again, or giving women the right to vote?
I gave myself a timeout from the Internet, ha, and then got the flu. Thanks for bearing with me.
You are reaching, in trying to interpret that phrase. It's like Bill Clinton arguing about the meaning of the word, "is."
I guess the problem is that you don't believe in a changing constitution? I mean, trying to decipher the meaning of the founding fathers based upon non-verified, 200 year old documents is not the most accurate process. They wrote it when the average citizen, even the richest citizens, weren't able to purchase weapons anywhere near today's firepower. So we have to look at intent, which gets messy.
I think the constitution should change with the times. If you disagree, then I guess that means you're opposed to the constitutional amendments, like making beer legal again, or giving women the right to vote?
Gunslinger-13
New member
Yikes...
The Constitution is not a "living document" that "Changes with the times". It is a an amendable document with legal constructs written within to amend it.
The Bill of Rights are Amendments, my friend. 2A is an amendment added after the Constitution was ratified.
I am absolutely for following the writ/law of our Constitutional Republic, I am not for people changing the meaning of words to fit their agenda or bias.
I am absolutely not for "changing" our founding document and system of governance to "Fit the times" without going through the legal process of amending the document.
I am absolutely against mob rule/Democracy and all for the checks and balances of a Constitutional Republic that utilizes SOME democratic processes.
There are TONS of historically verified documents stating intent of each and every aspect and word of the Constitution. Look into it sometime, I beg you.
I'm not reaching at all, I am utilizing the common meaning of the words as written at the time they were written. I am utilizing several historically accurate and verified documents that have the intent written out in plain words for anyone to understand should they take the time to do so.
Your comparison to Mr. Clintons arguing the meaning of the word "is"; is just incorrect and doesn't apply.
Let's expand upon tings a bit- beyond the Constitution itself, their are inalienable rights that we are all endowed. Sure, the Constitution codifies them and places very solid and legally constructed road blocks in front of those that seek to rid us of these Rights, I am so very glad- but make no mistake, the Constitution does not grant me or anyone else any of these Rights, they are ours as a RIGHT of our existence.
We are so lucky to have founding documents and men who were brave enough to shed blood for such ideals and wisdom, but that document "gives" nothing nor "allows" anything. It merely places certain/limited powers in the hands of the Federal Government and literally says what they CANNOT do.
The idea that "Rights" flow from a governing body- is purely ludicrous. That would be a permission, by definition. We do not have a bill of "permissions".
At the time the Constitution was written, cannons were in private hands, the most destructive military arms of the day, were privately held and the intent of the 2A was absolutely to protect, ALL ARMS. Not just one form over another.
Another logical fallacy, on your part.
In fact, it was meant to keep individuals armed as well as the government itself so as to keep Governments from running wild and enslaving the masses.
If you truly understand the intent of the 2A and most of the BOR and the Constitution itself, and I really believe you do not, Bodie- you would know that the intent behind the 2A was to keep Tyranny in check and keep individual freedom and expression alive and well.
Governments always corrupt and tyranny results, revolutions happen to squash tyranny, wash rinse and repeat- throughout all of history. over and effing over again.
Wether it was the outlawing of swords, or long bows, or cross bows or martial arts, or any form of self defense and the means/tools to fight back against tyranny, governments have been outlawing these things for all of our known history in order to control and subvert and control entire populations and societies.
Our Constitution, and the intent behind it was to keep tyranny at bay for was long as possible and create a legal construct to act as a road block that would be hard to overcome so we as free individuals have the greatest chance of remaining free individuals.
Times do change, but some things never change. If one researches our history it is simple to see what doesn't and won't change- people in power seek to control other people absolutely, some times it's well intended, sometimes. However- it ALWAYS ends badly.
More people have been murdered by their own government, by first being disarmed so they cannot fight back and then being collected like cattle and led to the slaughter than by any other means. Hundreds of Millions.
I, for one am glad the Constitution Wass so well thought out an written. It has taken a long time for it to be subverted, piece by piece it has been, though.
I hope people take the time to truly inform themselves, so we are not always doomed to repeat the mistakes of the past and allow evil deeds to be visited upon us, constantly by our own actions or inactions.
I hope you're recovering rom the flu and doing well. Take care.
