offroad course at Range Rover dealer

[Gumballf355]

Have any of you every seen those courses in the parking lot of Range Rover dealerships? They have staggered humps, a climb, decent and tilt angle? I've always thought of trying my 4runner on it. How well would it do? Has anyone ever tried it with their runner? How much would our 3rd gen 4runners have to tilt to the side to tip over? Are the Range Rover/Land Rovers that much more capable then our 4wds?? I was doing some snooping around online and someone from the bmw forums tipped his X5 on the course and rolled onto it's roof... obviously I don't want to do that.

 

[sprockmember]

take the black bomber on it... I doubt there is any way that would roll.

 

[Pikeman]

Well our 4Runners vary greatly on tip over angle based on the mods and stuff. I know that I can go 35 degrees comfortably and probably hit a little over 40. I did the Trail teams course and they have a side angle of 38 degrees and say that all the New trail teams vehicles can handle a stated 40 from the factory but the Rep. told me that it is actually more like 45 stock but Toyota puts a lower number to be safe for legal reasons.

I have also seen Land Rovers get rolled on those dealer courses. There is a specific line they are supposed to follow. They actually build those right at the vehicles limitations so any deviation can be unforgiving. Google search and you will see some videos on you tube or at least pictures anyways.

 

[shawnstcyr]

I have hit 45 degrees. But once again, mods and tire inflation have a lot to do with it also. The biggest limitation is just your level of experience. Your pucker meter and a little common sense should keep you out of trouble.

But then again, I am a guy who loves 3 wheel stands. I love transitioning from 1 rear wheel off the ground over to 1 off on the front :barf:

 

[JohnsD90]

Are the Range Rover/Land Rovers that much more capable then our 4wds??

Yes and no, it all depends on what your are doing and who you are talking too.

The biggest limitation is just your level of experience.

Yes, thats what it boils down too.

 

[Pikeman]

Yes and no, it all depends on what your are doing and who you are talking to.

I can agree with John on this, with a slight caviat. I firmly believe the 4Runner is a more capable off-road machine all-around. However I have followed and wheeled with quite a few of the Yuppie mobiles and was impressed. Their traction control works phenominally well and the D90 suspension Articulates fantastically. However they sit real low (why they might have better sidehill angles) and have huge reliability issues, and low resale.

 

[offshorebear]

Whats a Range Rover dealership ? Its a Land Rover Range Rover, like its a Toyota 4Runner.

A lot of those courses were built for solid axle Disco's and Rangies, which are probably better than IFS for that type of driving. Even the new independent suspension LRs can do some amazing things, but I'd rather have brute force and mechanical strength than air bag suspension and computers when I'm out there.

 

[Gumballf355]

It's a new dealership and they have a really neat course... I'm going to try it tonight. I'll report back with the outcome.
BTW... the blackbomber would fail miserably. Are you on club4ag sprockmember?

Failure is not an option.

 

[Mtn.Rush]

When I purhased my 06 RRS out in Glen Cove (on Long Island) they took me out on that course. It was pretty cool how the suspension worked with the terrain responce dial for specific obstacles. I will tell you this, I put on Pirelli 19" scorpion ATR and IT WAS UNSTOPPABLE in the snow and on the beach.....Its a 6000 lb beast that can tear up the sand and snow and corner like a sports car.............as much as I love the 4-runner (third one) I miss the Rover alot. I stated in another post that its only a matter of time before I visit the Rover dealership again (if I dont slide into a LC that is).

 

[h2gofast]

Gumballf355
There was a Range Rover dealership around the corner that has that exact same course. The dealership closed and it was open the last time I checked. Let me know how it goes.

 

[JohnsD90]

Whats a Range Rover dealership ? Its a Land Rover Range Rover, like its a Toyota 4Runner.

They used to be called Range Rover Dealer when they only sold RR in North America.

 

[JohnsD90]

I can agree with John on this, with a slight caviat. I firmly believe the 4Runner is a more capable off-road machine all-around. However I have followed and wheeled with quite a few of the Yuppie mobiles and was impressed. Their traction control works phenominally well and the D90 suspension Articulates fantastically. However they sit real low (why they might have better sidehill angles) and have huge reliability issues, and low resale.

This proves the point because if i wasn't so lazy i would argue how the defender is better, which i would prove my point too. BTW the LR2 is sh1t, the LR3 is ok, RRS is cool but is more like a car, RR is something i could never own (Mostly for C*nts), they kinda lost me after the D1, but i love the D90/D110.

But then again i love the 3rd gen 4runner, but i dont like the 4th that much, and now i hear the newer yotas are going down in quality, so LR isn't the only one goin down the drain.

 

[K.C.]

Gumballf355,

• You're in San Francisco too right?
• Where is the Dealership located at? ... I'd attack it w/o a heartbeat.

 

[Gumballf355]

Fremont Land Rover. Lets go KC! I live in San Jose. Email me at [email protected]

 

[Clemsonfan15]

We have a Land Rover dealership that has a course like that and a Hummer dealership. I've thought about going out there to try them out.

 

[Thai]

IMHO, you really have to be either totally inexperienced or jerking around for one to flip a SUV over the Land Rover "off-road course." Guys, the course is made to make even the LR2 (or Freeloader/Freelander) look good! I have been on the course with a Land Rover. A 4runner in reverse can do it.

Remember, even a Freelander can go through the course...why would a Toyota 4runner with a decent driver have trouble????? BTW, for legal reasons, i don't believe LR allows any other vehicles to drive on their course, esp. by an outsider.

 

[Thai]

However they sit real low (why they might have better sidehill angles) and have huge reliability issues, and low resale.

All true, except resale value. The Defender's resale value, for example, is amazing. The other LR products may not hold resale value well, but then again, what SUV does in today's market?? The only two exceptions are the Defenders and the Jeep Wranglers.

I believe that they sit low because LR gives them small tires from the factory. LR3 and RRS have very clean underbody...the door sills are kinda low, but i like their underbody design.

This proves the point because if i wasn't so lazy i would argue how the defender is better, which i would prove my point too. BTW the LR2 is sh1t, the LR3 is ok, RRS is cool but is more like a car, RR is something i could never own (Mostly for C*nts), they kinda lost me after the D1, but i love the D90/D110.

Defender is better than 4runner off-road, but not better as an all-around vehicle. The rest of the LR lineup is debatable when you compare it to a 4runner. Each have their plus and minus.

 

[Jeffrey_VB]

BTW, for legal reasons, i don't believe LR allows any other vehicles to drive on their course, esp. by an outsider.

Some dealers won't even let customers on test drives do the course. The salesman will drive the course, with the customer in the passenger seat.

 

[Gumballf355]

I did it! Was in 4lo with the locker on... wouldn't get past the first section of uneven bumps without the locker and it needed the locker for the incline as well because it was wet. The off camber part was the scariest, felt close to tipping but I'm sure it would have required a few more degrees. arty:
I went after 9 when the dealership was already closed.

 

[Uneek]

A few years ago, Lexus had a similar course setup at the "Taste of Lexus" events. They even have competitor SUVs there. There were two courses, one of the body on frame SUVs and another that was just muddy for the crossovers. The funny part was the Lincoln Navigator had to run the crossover course because it couldn't make it through the tougher body on frame course.

Later ToL events, they just had steel ramps and terrain features setup. The mud and dirt were gone. :sobbing:

Supposedly there is a LR off-roading tour in Wine Country in Napa, CA. The views are quite scenic. I think it was Evening Magazine or Eye on the Bay that had the segment.