Open letter from Starbucks CEO

[hikenbike]

This is a typical assumption. Anti-gunners warned us there would be shootouts and blood in the streets if people were allowed to legally carry. But statistics since CC laws have been enacted show otherwise.

I respectfully disagree and I think your perception of "anti-gunners" (depending on how you define one - am I one?) is overly dramatic. Statistics are statistics and nobody knows how they are arrived at one way or the other.

Human nature is far more powerful and, with many (perhaps most) citizens being very imperfect, with guns in then hands of good guys and bad guys, or even one OR the other, bad things will happen more often than not where perhaps otherwise they wouldn't at all or to a lesser extent. Situations where they actually deter are likely in the minority. But this is only my opinion.

 

[LandCruiser]

Last I checked I never heard of a toddler killing another toddler with a fire extinguisher.

What is the left's obsession with banning guns to the point they make nonsense arguments?

More kids drown in unattended swimming pools, do you see Feinstein, Bloomberg, and Biden foaming at the mouth about banning high capacity swimming pools and coming over to your house to fill in your pool with concrete?

More kids are killed because their dumbass parents don't buy them a car seat, leave out their oxycodone, leave out the Drano, rat poison, turn their dog loose, run them over with their SUVs (why do you think we have standard back up cameras in our 4Runners?). You can still buy an SUV, you're not being shamed on TV by our coward in chief about how your 4Runner will crush every toddler within a 4 mile radius. There's no waiting period on that shelter dog at Petsmart that can maul a child.

I am literally deaf to your attempts at a sympathetic argument, because I've heard the left screaming "if it only saves on life" for years. What you describe doesn't happen because of guns, but piss poor parenting as others have said, trying to attribute it to guns is a nonargument.

 

[Viper45]

The phrase 'correlation does not imply causation' comes to mind. I think many people need to familiarize themselves with it.

 

[BigNuge]

An important element to the ever-expanding rights debate(s) (2nd Amendment obviously included) that nobody is bring to light is that we ALL live in varying levels of risk.

Just because you choose to ride a motorcycle, rock climb, skydive etc. does not mean you are negligent or unsafe, it just means you are choosing to live within that level if risk. If you choose to carry/own a firearm you are choosing to live within that level if risk.

One element of the left is that they are hell bent on imposing their wishes/ideas/desires on the rest if us, when all the right wants to do is maintain our Constitutionally guaranteed rights.

The left: "I don't like _______. We need a law to force everyone else to live/do things like we would like (using irrational feel-good BS about their ability to be safer than the rest of us).

Let me ask any lefty in the crowd; if I let my son ride a youth ATV (like I do already and he is 3 1/2) am I neglecting him because you may not agree with it? I've had MANY lefty friends piss and moan about the things I let my son do. I take every reasonable precaution to keep him safe (throttle limiter, remote kill, helmet, etc.). There are lots of lefties that would like to throw me in jail for it, and they are trying hard to continually build laws to suit their Zionist desires.

The right; let me live as I want to live, make the choices I would like to make, raise my children as I wish to raise them. If a lefty chooses not to do the things I choose to do then so be it, enjoy your bubble wrapped, warped sense of safety & security.

I could go on and on.....the facts about human nature and the varying levels of risk we all live in point us towards the showdown we are all discussing now. Guns are such a small piece of it, blown WAY out of proportion by the leftist/Communist media, and the lefty sheep really love their BS manufactured media. They are led by their nose every day and don't even know it......

 

[LandCruiser]

Let me ask any lefty in the crowd; if I let my son ride a youth ATV (like I do already and he is 3 1/2) am I neglecting him because you may not agree with it? I've had MANY lefty friends piss and moan about the things I let my son do. I take every reasonable precaution to keep him safe (throttle limiter, remote kill, helmet, etc.). There are lots of lefties that would like to throw me in jail for it, and they are trying hard to continually build laws to suit their Zionist desires.

I can tell you that unless you live in the reddest heart of a red state (which you don't), if, God forbid, your kid gets into an accident on the ATV you will get a visit from a liberal activist in the hospital who will investigate the circumstances of the accident and try to label it "child abuse" and you an "unfit parent/guardian."

I can tell you that 99.999% of the time it won't lead to anything, but it all depends on how rabidly she (it's inevitably a she) will pursue the cause how you will emerge at the end of the ordeal.

 

[RunninInGA]

I can tell you that unless you live in the reddest heart of a red state (which you don't), if, God forbid, your kid gets into an accident on the ATV you will get a visit from a liberal activist in the hospital who will investigate the circumstances of the accident and try to label it "child abuse" and you an "unfit parent/guardian."

I can tell you that 99.999% of the time it won't lead to anything, but it all depends on how rabidly she (it's inevitably a she) will pursue the cause how you will emerge at the end of the ordeal.

And she'll be "catty," not because of the 7 cats she owns, but because of her attitude, tone, and general snarkiness.

 

[BigNuge]

I can tell you that unless you live in the reddest heart of a red state (which you don't), if, God forbid, your kid gets into an accident on the ATV you will get a visit from a liberal activist in the hospital who will investigate the circumstances of the accident and try to label it "child abuse" and you an "unfit parent/guardian."

I can tell you that 99.999% of the time it won't lead to anything, but it all depends on how rabidly she (it's inevitably a she) will pursue the cause how you will emerge at the end of the ordeal.

Well aware of that, and I will take if to the top as well.

It's all part of the sickening direction the lefties are trying to drive us towards....

 

[BrianSD_42]

More kids drown in unattended swimming pools, do you see Feinstein, Bloomberg, and Biden foaming at the mouth about banning high capacity swimming pools and coming over to your house to fill in your pool with concrete?

More kids are killed because their dumbass parents don't buy them a car seat, leave out their oxycodone, leave out the Drano, rat poison, turn their dog loose, run them over with their SUVs (why do you think we have standard back up cameras in our 4Runners?). You can still buy an SUV, you're not being shamed on TV by our coward in chief about how your 4Runner will crush every toddler within a 4 mile radius. There's no waiting period on that shelter dog at Petsmart that can maul a child.

I am literally deaf to your attempts at a sympathetic argument, because I've heard the left screaming "if it only saves on life" for years. What you describe doesn't happen because of guns, but piss poor parenting as others have said, trying to attribute it to guns is a nonargument.

All of this is true.

It is unfortunate but I find that many of the "so called left" preach about following science and mathematics EXCEPT when it comes to gun deaths.

They love numbers and figures when it comes to pointing out the problems America has with: child poverty, education, DRUGS, for-profit health care vs. Single payer, military action deaths, the American Prison System etc. [these are all real problems in my opinion but that's another thread]

This so called love of "the numbers" does not carry over into conversation about: Dangers of GUN Deaths vs other types death.


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