Paul Ryan

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Paul Ryan Blames Poverty On Lazy ‘Inner City’ Men

"Sure because all those rural 'red' states are doing such a bang up job and refusing government 'handouts'
Business Day - Image - NYTimes.com
West Virginia: 28 percent of all personal income in this state come from government programs
Mississippi: 26.2 percent of personal income from government benefits
Kentucky: 24.8 percent income from benefits
Arkansas: 24.5 percent income from benefits
South Carolina: 23.4 percent income from benefits
Alabama: 23.4 percent income from benefits
EDIT: the thing that really disgusts me is the Paul Ryan's own bio highlights how he and his family benefited greatly from government spending and he can't even acknowledge it.
Paul Ryan Father passes away when Mr. Ryan is a teen. Mr. Ryan receives Social Security Survivors benefits to help pay for his upbringing and educations expenses.
Paul Ryan's Mother goes back to school at a PUBLIC (aka tax payer subsidized) university.
Paul Ryan's Mother "got on a bus every weekday for years, and rode 40 miles each morning to Madison." That would be a PUBLIC (aka tax payer subsidized) bus.
So the Ryan family received direct cash payments to help cushion the loss of the primary breadwinner. The Ryan family availed itself of cheap public transport (that cost the family a fraction of a car payment, gas, and insurance) to attend an a tuition subsidized university (that again cost the family a fraction of a private education).
Mr. Ryan himself immediately upon graduation goes to DC to work as a staffer (aka a government employee) and then runs to become a Representative.
His whole life is one of benefiting from government spending and he can't seem to even see it."

Cliffs notes:

Paul Ryan is a dick.
 
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So, do you believe that these red states don't have big inner cities? :shocked:

And are you insinuating that Social Security is an entitlement program paid for by the government? I'm pretty sure I pay into it with every dollar I earn and my employer pays too as part of my overall compensation structure. I'd much rather that be returned to my surviving family than government coffers or used to finance the next generation because the government was irresponsible with my contributions. The guy was an attorney and died at age 55 so I'm willing to bet he paid in more than his survivors ever received.
 
bofa said:
So, do you believe that these red states don't have big inner cities? :shocked:

And are you insinuating that Social Security is an entitlement program paid for by the government? I'm pretty sure I pay into it with every dollar I earn and my employer pays too as part of my overall compensation structure. I'd much rather that be returned to my surviving family than government coffers or used to finance the next generation because the government was irresponsible with my contributions. The guy was an attorney and died at age 55 so I'm willing to bet he paid in more than his survivors ever received.
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Obviously not, I just think it's silly to blame stuff like this on black people and then turn around and cut benefits that are used by their base.

As far as abuse of entitlement programs, I'd rather my tax dollars were abused by a thousand welfare queens than one poverty stricken family went hungry.

Let's debunk some myths while we're on the topic...

Six Myths About Food Stamps | Blog, The Poverty Line | BillMoyers.com

The more you know...
 
ndcent said:
Obviously not, I just think it's silly to blame stuff like this on black people and then turn around and cut benefits that are used by their base.

As far as abuse of entitlement programs, I'd rather my tax dollars were abused by a thousand welfare queens than one poverty stricken family went hungry.

Let's debunk some myths while we're on the topic...

Six Myths About Food Stamps | Blog, The Poverty Line | BillMoyers.com

The more you know...
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The problem is the programs are so massive and easy to take advantage that it becomes a lifestyle for many recipients. The government has a hard time weaning people off the teet. The only real incentive is either benefits expiring or the individuals ambition to want more. The latter may never materialize.

And the reason people are so vocal about these programs is because they have to witness the abuses with their own eyes. What does it say to a young person just starting out when their cart is full of ramen and knock-off cereal paid for by their entry level job when the person in front of them is buying crab legs, steak, and Cinnamon Toast Crunch with their EBT card?

And yes these programs are manipulated to buy cigarettes, non approved items, and illicit drugs. They continue to be used as a form of black market currency, regardless of the controls in place at retailers.

I don't think any reasonable person wants a family with legitimate hard times to go hungry. But when that family can eat better than the one working 60 hours a week, continues to procreate, and lives off the system for years at a time, it's a bit much to swallow.
 
Lets not forget about the welfare corporations receive so CEO's can continue to live lavishly while there workers continue living off low income.
 
Ryan continues to cherry-pick info, misrepresent conclusions, and fall back on tired racist stereotypes, yet the GOP continues to say he's a leader and a credible voice. When will the adults in the party push back?

I mean he cited Charles Murray, a white nationalist, who has used “racist pseudoscience and misleading statistics to argue that social inequality is caused by the genetic inferiority."

We live in a seriously bizarre world.
 
Here is the link to the paper Paul Ryan's committee actually published ----> http://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/1033869/waronpoverty50.pdf



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I am concerned about the fact that in the US every person who commits any felony crime at or after age 18 has a life long record as an ex-con - even if the crime was non-violent.

A friend of mine who made serious ethical judgement call failure a few years ago, at age 18, basically stole something from Target worth less than $500 and was charged and pleaded guilty to some type of theft or fraud. He only did community service as he was considered an otherwise upstanding citizen. He happens to be a white guy and I only bring that up because I know people view this as a racial issue.

My friend is a pretty good guy and this is the only seriously illegal thing he has done and he did it over 7 years ago when he was 18 and hadn't even graduated HS yet.

Because of our laws he has to check felon on every job application for the rest of his life. Even if 20 years go by without any issues with the law he will still be rejected from almost every job out there he applies for.

This is how our felons are treated, even those from completely non-violent crimes .... for the rest of their life they have no chance at starting over.

I think that is a big part of why criminals stay criminals. Luckily my friend had family and resources to get through the hard times. He has a sort of decent job but his career prospects for life are pretty much obliterated by this one non-violent mistake at age 18.

I see a possible correlation between letting non-violent offenders (after X amount of years) wipe their records and start over. At then they would be working which is good for everyone.

Its at least worth considering .... although it would represent a MAJOR shift in how America thinks about dealing with crime.
 
BrianSD_42 said:
Here is the link to the paper Paul Ryan's committee actually published ----> http://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/1033869/waronpoverty50.pdf



:couch2:


I am concerned about the fact that in the US every person who commits any felony crime at or after age 18 has a life long record as an ex-con - even if the crime was non-violent.

A friend of mine who made serious ethical judgement call failure a few years ago, at age 18, basically stole something from Target worth less than $500 and was charged and pleaded guilty to some type of theft or fraud. He only did community service as he was considered an otherwise upstanding citizen. He happens to be a white guy and I only bring that up because I know people view this as a racial issue.

My friend is a pretty good guy and this is the only seriously illegal thing he has done and he did it over 7 years ago when he was 18 and hadn't even graduated HS yet.

Because of our laws he has to check felon on every job application for the rest of his life. Even if 20 years go by without any issues with the law he will still be rejected from almost every job out there he applies for.

This is how our felons are treated, even those from completely non-violent crimes .... for the rest of their life they have no chance at starting over.

I think that is a big part of my criminals stay criminals. Luckily my friend had family and resources to get through the hard times. He has a sort of decent job but his career prospects for life are pretty much obliterated by this one non-violent mistake at age 18.

I see a possible correlation between letting non-violent offenders (after X amount of years) wipe their records and start over. At then they would be working which is good for everyone.

Its at least worth considering .... although it would represent a MAJOR shift in how America thinks about dealing with crime.
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Has he looked into getting the record expunged? I have a good friend that also had an incident that resulted in a felony and was able to have it expunged and it no longer creates the problems you indicate above. This is usually an option for non-violent, single offenses like the one you described. If he hasn't looked into it, you should mention it to him. I think large in part the system has ways to address these issues.
 
bofa said:
Has he looked into getting the record expunged? I have a good friend that also had an incident that resulted in a felony and was able to have it expunged and it no longer creates the problems you indicate above. This is usually an option for non-violent, single offenses like the one you described. If he hasn't looked into it, you should mention it to him. I think large in part the system has ways to address these issues.
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I'll tell him.
 
ndcent said:
Paul Ryan Blames Poverty On Lazy ‘Inner City’ Men

"Sure because all those rural 'red' states are doing such a bang up job and refusing government 'handouts'
Business Day - Image - NYTimes.com
West Virginia: 28 percent of all personal income in this state come from government programs
Mississippi: 26.2 percent of personal income from government benefits
Kentucky: 24.8 percent income from benefits
Arkansas: 24.5 percent income from benefits
South Carolina: 23.4 percent income from benefits
Alabama: 23.4 percent income from benefits
EDIT: the thing that really disgusts me is the Paul Ryan's own bio highlights how he and his family benefited greatly from government spending and he can't even acknowledge it.
Paul Ryan Father passes away when Mr. Ryan is a teen. Mr. Ryan receives Social Security Survivors benefits to help pay for his upbringing and educations expenses.
Paul Ryan's Mother goes back to school at a PUBLIC (aka tax payer subsidized) university.
Paul Ryan's Mother "got on a bus every weekday for years, and rode 40 miles each morning to Madison." That would be a PUBLIC (aka tax payer subsidized) bus.
So the Ryan family received direct cash payments to help cushion the loss of the primary breadwinner. The Ryan family availed itself of cheap public transport (that cost the family a fraction of a car payment, gas, and insurance) to attend an a tuition subsidized university (that again cost the family a fraction of a private education).
Mr. Ryan himself immediately upon graduation goes to DC to work as a staffer (aka a government employee) and then runs to become a Representative.
His whole life is one of benefiting from government spending and he can't seem to even see it."

Cliffs notes:

Paul Ryan is a dick.
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In WV it's a lifestyle. My granddaddy, my daddy, me, my son, etc. I can't speak for other states though.

Paul Ryan is no more or less a dick than any politician on either side in Washington. C'mon, you know that. When it comes to dicks neither side has a monopoly.
 
Typical left-wing slanted reporting on things. Here's a portion of the conversation in question taken directly from the transcript:

Bennett — lifting people out of poverty — what is the plan?

Ryan — work works — it’s all about getting people to work — welfare reform of 90s — we were excoriated — it worked, but dozens of welfare programs were not reformed — they now make it harder for people to get into work — we call it a poverty trap — incentives not to work — not what we want — we need to reform welfare programs as in 1996 — try to get people into work force — want everyone to maximize potential, push for equality of opportunity

— we have proven that work is important, there is dignity in it — self-worth — lots of people slipping through the cracks, not reaching their potential

Bennett — millenials are setting records in terms of not working — from Pew report — it’s partly the economy, partly policy — there is a cultural aspect — boys learn how to work from men

Ryan — lost my dad, mentors and my Mom taught me to work —

Bennett — fatherless problem is a big one

Ryan — absolutely — that’s the tailspin or spiral that we’re looking at in our communities — your buddy Charles Murray or Bob Putnam over at Harvard, those guys have written books on this, which is, we have got this tailspin of culture in our inner cities in particular of men not working and just generations of men not even thinking about working or learning the value and the culture of work — so there is a real culture problem here that has to be dealt with. Everybody’s got to get involved. So this is what we talk about when we talk about civil society. If you’re driving from the suburb to the sports arena downtown by these blighted neighborhoods, you can’t just say “I’m paying my taxes, government’s going to fix that.” You need to get involved. You need to get involved yourself, whether through a good mentor program or some religious charity, whatever it is to make a difference, and that’s how we help resuscitate our culture.

It appears to me that Ryan was encouraging the listeners to get personally involved in mentoring inner city youth from 'down trodden neighborhoods' so that they could have something approaching a real chance. He talked about various methods for helping those young people — reforming welfare programs that trap people in poverty.....contributing to religious charities.....personally mentoring young individuals to help them find work and maximize their potential.
 
Jimmy_D said:
Typical left-wing slanted reporting on things. Here's a portion of the conversation in question taken directly from the transcript:

Bennett — lifting people out of poverty — what is the plan?

Ryan — work works — it’s all about getting people to work — welfare reform of 90s — we were excoriated — it worked, but dozens of welfare programs were not reformed — they now make it harder for people to get into work — we call it a poverty trap — incentives not to work — not what we want — we need to reform welfare programs as in 1996 — try to get people into work force — want everyone to maximize potential, push for equality of opportunity

— we have proven that work is important, there is dignity in it — self-worth — lots of people slipping through the cracks, not reaching their potential

Bennett — millenials are setting records in terms of not working — from Pew report — it’s partly the economy, partly policy — there is a cultural aspect — boys learn how to work from men

Ryan — lost my dad, mentors and my Mom taught me to work —

Bennett — fatherless problem is a big one

Ryan — absolutely — that’s the tailspin or spiral that we’re looking at in our communities — your buddy Charles Murray or Bob Putnam over at Harvard, those guys have written books on this, which is, we have got this tailspin of culture in our inner cities in particular of men not working and just generations of men not even thinking about working or learning the value and the culture of work — so there is a real culture problem here that has to be dealt with. Everybody’s got to get involved. So this is what we talk about when we talk about civil society. If you’re driving from the suburb to the sports arena downtown by these blighted neighborhoods, you can’t just say “I’m paying my taxes, government’s going to fix that.” You need to get involved. You need to get involved yourself, whether through a good mentor program or some religious charity, whatever it is to make a difference, and that’s how we help resuscitate our culture.

It appears to me that Ryan was encouraging the listeners to get personally involved in mentoring inner city youth from 'down trodden neighborhoods' so that they could have something approaching a real chance. He talked about various methods for helping those young people — reforming welfare programs that trap people in poverty.....contributing to religious charities.....personally mentoring young individuals to help them find work and maximize their potential.
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LOL, talk about slanted, this is some of the best spin I've seen yet.

Dude is citing a white nationalist. Shocked he didn't plagiarize the interview.
 
ndcent said:
LOL, talk about slanted, this is some of the best spin I've seen yet.

Dude is citing a white nationalist. Shocked he didn't plagiarize the interview.
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Oh please. I don't think there's enough bandwidth available to list dumb quotes from the left. Again, the left - or the right do not have a monopoly on poor politicians. Do what I do: Pick the best of the worst from either side.
 
ndcent said:
LOL, talk about slanted, this is some of the best spin I've seen yet.

Dude is citing a white nationalist. Shocked he didn't plagiarize the interview.
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Meanwhile, the attorney general virtually endorsed these guys during the Zimmerman hype and let's not pretend that Barry hasn't stirred the race pool a time or two for personal or political gain either.

Your outrage here would be more meaningful if we had not had the privilege of reading your posts about white on black racism once a month while completely ignoring it when it happens in reverse.

Black%2BRacism7.gif
 
That Old-Time Whistle

"Just to be clear, there’s no evidence that Mr. Ryan is personally a racist, and his dog-whistle may not even have been deliberate. But it doesn’t matter. He said what he said because that’s the kind of thing conservatives say to each other all the time. And why do they say such things? Because American conservatism is still, after all these years, largely driven by claims that liberals are taking away your hard-earned money and giving it to Those People."

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Great op-ed.
 
RunninInGA said:
Meanwhile, the attorney general virtually endorsed these guys during the Zimmerman hype and let's not pretend that Barry hasn't stirred the race pool a time or two for personal or political gain either.

Your outrage here would be more meaningful if we had not had the privilege of reading your posts about white on black racism once a month while completely ignoring it when it happens in reverse.

Black%2BRacism7.gif
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There is no such thing as reverse racism. Racism is racism and it's wrong no matter the color.
 
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