**Photography Talk**
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leftyguns21
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please put breaks in your pictures to keep the page from getting all wide
question for any of the pros. I've been contacted to commission some of my pictures for local hotels. I have never been asked/sold anything and not sure what that entails. I still own the picture right, they just pay to use it? they are going to call me later today to discuss but have chosen 5 of my pictures from flickr but wondering what I should expect or what is the process
question for any of the pros. I've been contacted to commission some of my pictures for local hotels. I have never been asked/sold anything and not sure what that entails. I still own the picture right, they just pay to use it? they are going to call me later today to discuss but have chosen 5 of my pictures from flickr but wondering what I should expect or what is the process
leftyguns21
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**follow up question
I spoke with the company that does the commissioning. they have pre-picked 5 of my images and will present to a hotel that is being built in Denver, CO. if chosen:
"it is a non-exclusive agreement and that it features the 30USD per image fee, if used for the feature wall and 100USD per image if used to the guestrooms. The agreement will give us the rights to produce artworks only for this one hotel in Denver"
does this seem to be standard pricing? do they have to pay per room or just a flat $100usd for the image and could potentially put in 1000 rooms. it would be great to be chosen and be able to see my images up in a swanky new hotel, just want to make sure I am not getting taken advantage of or low balled.
I spoke with the company that does the commissioning. they have pre-picked 5 of my images and will present to a hotel that is being built in Denver, CO. if chosen:
"it is a non-exclusive agreement and that it features the 30USD per image fee, if used for the feature wall and 100USD per image if used to the guestrooms. The agreement will give us the rights to produce artworks only for this one hotel in Denver"
does this seem to be standard pricing? do they have to pay per room or just a flat $100usd for the image and could potentially put in 1000 rooms. it would be great to be chosen and be able to see my images up in a swanky new hotel, just want to make sure I am not getting taken advantage of or low balled.
Hepar
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That seems pretty standard. And it all depends on the terms and conditions of the release. Have them send you a copy before you sign it. Typically you will retain the rights to the photos and they are just paying for the rights to put them up in a room.
leftyguns21
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[MENTION=56396]Hepar[/MENTION] thank you.
they sent over the agreement but I haven't read it thoroughly.
i have never sold or let anyone use my images before, wasn't sure what to expect on the price.
they sent over the agreement but I haven't read it thoroughly.
i have never sold or let anyone use my images before, wasn't sure what to expect on the price.
Maadcaap
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Here is a little bit of info about pricing... If they plan on using them online be sure to get paid for that...
As a hobbyist i would be flattered and probably let them pay me whatever they want just so i can say my photos are displayd in a hotel...
Read the fine print.. will the comissioning company pay you 100 and charge the hotel 1000 for your work?
https://petapixel.com/2016/02/26/much-photographers-charge-2016/
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USKTog
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Personally speaking, I would run away from that deal.
This language "it is a non-exclusive agreement and that it features the 30USD per image fee, if used for the feature wall and 100USD per image if used to the guestrooms. The agreement will give us the rights to produce artworks only for this one hotel in Denver" is total horsecrap; $30/image for a feature wall and $100 for a guest room? Good Lord…not only are the prices $h!t (IMO), but backwards; FAR more visibility on a feature wall than in a guest room.
Yes, it is $$…but it is a-typical of business trying to screw the photographer. You do it for a hobby, but you still had to PLAN / GO / DO. Those all mean you have earned the right & ability to get more for your efforts!
If more photographers stuck to their guns and made clients pay reasonable rates, the industry wouldn't be so over-run with crap (again, my opinion, but a lot of images I see being used are really not 'that' great…nor do they meet the actual goal).
If you are still interested, I would suggest negotiating for better rates. Do some research on photo pricing. For example, this link (Getty Image pricing) would suggest $1870 for up to 5 images with a 20 year lifespan for this type of agreement.
Again, consider (if option still exists) negotiating for better rate!!
USKTog
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Got up very early last Saturday so I could take advantage of a good sunrise forecast, at Garden of the Gods. Main purpose was to do some more photography with my Dad's old Minolta Autocord Twin Lens Reflex medium format camera, but also get some good twilight/sunrise shots with my DSLR. Film (120 film) has been sent off for processing. Will have small prints (4" prints), but also have enhanced scan TIFF files, which I can then import to Lightroom for any additional post-processing I may want to do. 
Arrived on-location at ~5:50am. Short trek to my shoot location. Got set up and began creating/composing!
"Lights, Camels…Action!"
"Garden Glow Twilight"
Arrived on-location at ~5:50am. Short trek to my shoot location. Got set up and began creating/composing!
"Lights, Camels…Action!"
"Garden Glow Twilight"
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Hepar
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I would assume that those two price points are reversed. And he could ask for more money, but I'd be willing to bet they'd tell him to shove off given his lack of portfolio. For essentially stock photos, that's not too far off on cost. If they are commissioned pieces, then yes, way off base.
USKTog
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My comments were based on a 3rd party finding the images and making contact. Whether the hotel is working through the 3rd party or not, that alone (IMO) is sufficient to ask for better rate!
I had a hotel in Adelaide, AU ask me for a couple of images, after a 6-week stay. The Marketing Manager wanted the images for free. After asking them if they worked for free, I received an actual $ offer (which was, of course, a low-ball).
I eventually worked out a deal with them. Looking back, I spent more time trying to make the deal than I should have. :shrug:
Hepar
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Nothing drives me more crazy than when they want photos for free. In your previous post about sticking to your guns, you hit the nail on the head. They ask for free because often times they can get it for free.
leftyguns21
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thank you everyone for all for the info. I chose to 'agree' to the price and not bother negotiating. Maybe I could have tried for more but it wasn't worth my time for now and a 8 hour time zone difference was kind of a pain to deal with (company commissioning the work is based in Paris). the idea of having my images printed and displayed in a local hotel out weighed the dollar amount for now. I have never sold any prints or licensed my work, I figure this is my first time ill take what I can get and maybe it will jump start things for the future.
I made sure they can only use the images for this one location and I still own the rights. they are print testing them now and will present the images to the customer tomorrow. she said it could take several weeks for a decision.
here is another lesson, keep every image. 2 of the ones they chose off of my flickr account were from April 2014 and I have long deleted all traces of them. I gave them 4 of the 6 they requested.
I made sure they can only use the images for this one location and I still own the rights. they are print testing them now and will present the images to the customer tomorrow. she said it could take several weeks for a decision.
here is another lesson, keep every image. 2 of the ones they chose off of my flickr account were from April 2014 and I have long deleted all traces of them. I gave them 4 of the 6 they requested.
Yotad0sRunner
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Couple of shots from my flicker when i shot daily.
153.365 BBoy S1lentmonkey by Ferdi, on Flickr
Self portrait with some photoshop work.
101.365 Taste the Rainbow by Ferdi, on Flickr
car stuff
81.365 Triumph by Ferdi, on Flickr
153.365 BBoy S1lentmonkey by Ferdi, on FlickrSelf portrait with some photoshop work.
101.365 Taste the Rainbow by Ferdi, on Flickrcar stuff
81.365 Triumph by Ferdi, on FlickrHey guys!
Been shooting for 6 years now, currently working in the media center for a university. Split my time between photography and video.
My personal kit includes
Nikon D610 18-35mm 28-70mm 24mm 35mm 50mm 80-200mm
Sony A7s 28mm 85mm & adapters for the Nikon glass^
Yongnuo flashes & alien bee strobes.
My work can be seen at Joe Adams or on my instagram (where I post more frequently) [MENTION=152261]joehadams[/MENTION]
I look forward to seeing more of your work as well!
Been shooting for 6 years now, currently working in the media center for a university. Split my time between photography and video.
My personal kit includes
Nikon D610 18-35mm 28-70mm 24mm 35mm 50mm 80-200mm
Sony A7s 28mm 85mm & adapters for the Nikon glass^
Yongnuo flashes & alien bee strobes.
My work can be seen at Joe Adams or on my instagram (where I post more frequently) [MENTION=152261]joehadams[/MENTION]
I look forward to seeing more of your work as well!
leftyguns21
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Casa Milà in Barcelona Spain
NoOneBetter
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DSC_9801 by Thomas Horner, on Flickr
DSC_9826-2 by Thomas Horner, on Flickr
DSC_9927 by Thomas Horner, on Flickr
NoOneBetter
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car_designer
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First I'll say looking at the pictures in this thread makes me realise I have so much to learn and improve in my photography.
I've played around with photography since I was a kid but never really took it seriously. I've always been interested in lights and really like night pictures of cars under street lights or with the car's lights on.
A friend and I took our cars to a parking lot one night this summer and here one I took of my car. Didn't own the 4runner yet. I've still got to practice. As you can see I wasn't quite quick enough when I turned my lights on.
Note the blue light in the interior was not done on purpose, that is the light for an electric fan switch. My passengers really enjoy that one since it is aimed at their face, although not on purpose.
<a data-flickr-embed="true" href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/147502408@N03/31978251743/in/album-72157680088195785/" title="cutlass_night_07"><img src="https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2501/31978251743_7eb2bc0b11_c.jpg" width="800" height="600" alt="cutlass_night_07"></a><script async src="//embedr.flickr.com/assets/client-code.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
I've played around with photography since I was a kid but never really took it seriously. I've always been interested in lights and really like night pictures of cars under street lights or with the car's lights on.
A friend and I took our cars to a parking lot one night this summer and here one I took of my car. Didn't own the 4runner yet. I've still got to practice. As you can see I wasn't quite quick enough when I turned my lights on.
Note the blue light in the interior was not done on purpose, that is the light for an electric fan switch. My passengers really enjoy that one since it is aimed at their face, although not on purpose.
<a data-flickr-embed="true" href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/147502408@N03/31978251743/in/album-72157680088195785/" title="cutlass_night_07"><img src="https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2501/31978251743_7eb2bc0b11_c.jpg" width="800" height="600" alt="cutlass_night_07"></a><script async src="//embedr.flickr.com/assets/client-code.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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