Possibly no 6th gen till 2025?

[gomiami]

That is just another misinformed salespersons mistaken belief or outright lie. Salespeople are the absolute last to know. Management wants them to sell what is on the lot today, not in the future. If they told you about the future, they may lose a sale.

This is true. I was speaking in February with the sales rep I ended up buying my 4Runenr from and I asked him about his impression of Toyota bringing back the Land Cruiser to North America. He told me I was wrong. I told him that Toyota had pretty much said it was a sure thing. He wouldn't believe it. He knew he wasn't in danger of losing the sale. He simply was ignorant.

Sales reps at car dealerships are some of the least informed people on the planet when it comes to their own product.

 

[SocalRunner15]

Keep delaying the 6th gen. I'll take the 5th gens 3 less mpgs in exchange for thescrew ups that the 6th gen may have.

If they can come out with something that doubles the gas mileage...it'll be worth the reduced longevity....but if its just a few mpg....it won't be worth it...

I'm waiting to see what happens... and hoping for a 30 mpg 4runner

 

[GTR_Mike]

If they can come out with something that doubles the gas mileage...it'll be worth the reduced longevity....but if its just a few mpg....it won't be worth it...

I'm waiting to see what happens... and hoping for a 30 mpg 4runner

You might just get it. The new Crown is a 340HP Hybrid Max. The Land Cruiser announcement I read said it is planned to make 326HP, so a bit short of the Crown, but it's likely going to be a bit heavier.

The Crown is over 4300 lbs and still gets 30 mpg! I suspect the LC will be similar so a new T4R will likely be in the same ballpark.

 

[GTR_Mike]

Best to start looking now for a replacement, the 2025 6th gen 4Runner will not be revealed until Q1 2024 and will not be in dealers showrooms until Q3 2024.

As soon as the Land Cruiser was announced I went to my local dealer and I was the first to sign up for one. They told me it would begin selling in the spring of next year. I suspect Toyota won't release a new T4R design until 2025. I say this because you still can't even see a 5th gen at my dealer. They are a 6+ month wait if you place an order. An upgrade will most likely be a hybrid and will require a more powerful ECU. They will just keep making what is already selling and build more Land Cruisers until the chip shortage is behind us.

 

[AZ Craig]

As soon as the Land Cruiser was announced I went to my local dealer and I was the first to sign up for one. They told me it would begin selling in the spring of next year. I suspect Toyota won't release a new T4R design until 2025. I say this because you still can't even see a 5th gen at my dealer. They are a 6+ month wait if you place an order. An upgrade will most likely be a hybrid and will require a more powerful ECU. They will just keep making what is already selling and build more Land Cruisers until the chip shortage is behind us.

The chip shortage is over and we got tons of 4Runners on lots down here in Arizona. Come on down from the Great White North .

 

[bluebullet]

The chip shortage is over and we got tons of 4Runners on lots down here in Arizona. Come on down from the Great White North .

Just curious. Can you import a US spec. 4Runner into Canada? I know they have daytime running lights required nationally. Might have to disable the switch on US 4Runners. Other specs.?

 

[GTR_Mike]

The chip shortage is over and we got tons of 4Runners on lots down here in Arizona. Come on down from the Great White North .

That's good to hear. I fear if I do I might never want to return back up north

 

[GTR_Mike]

Just curious. Can you import a US spec. 4Runner into Canada? I know they have daytime running lights required nationally. Might have to disable the switch on US 4Runners. Other specs.?

Before I snagged my Skyline GTR I was looking all over the US for used cars. They had amazing deals and so many places with either no rust or very minimal it was really appealing.

There is no issues bringing cars up from the US to Canada. It's a bit of a process. Check this link:

Registrar of Imported Vehicles - RIV Inspection

 

[blairracd]

I know this may sound petty but a huge deal breaker for me is if Toyota decides to ditch the option of having the rear window roll up and down. It's extremely convenient and something that is now unique to the 4runner with the new Sequioa removing that feature as well.

No, definitely not petty; it’s a staple of the 4Runner for sure. Did the newest Tundra dc it as well?

 

[Pyral]

No, definitely not petty; it’s a staple of the 4Runner for sure. Did the newest Tundra dc it as well?

The new Tundra has it. The new Sequoia almost didn't happen, they had to design it with a small budget. So dropping it might have been a lack of funds thing.

One thing that I've noticed on all Toyota SUVs recently is lack of metal skid plates standard. The Tundra, Sequoia, and Land Cruiser Prado all lack them, even on 4wd versions. Seems like only the really upgraded off road versions have them, but everything else gets those useless felt pads for aerodynamics.

 

[Quentin]

The new Tundra has it. The new Sequoia almost didn't happen, they had to design it with a small budget. So dropping it might have been a lack of funds thing.

One thing that I've noticed on all Toyota SUVs recently is lack of metal skid plates standard. The Tundra, Sequoia, and Land Cruiser Prado all lack them, even on 4wd versions. Seems like only the really upgraded off road versions have them, but everything else gets those useless felt pads for aerodynamics.

While great for the 2nd hand market that buys used SR5s to turn into off road rigs, standard metal skid plates on the engine, fuel tank, and transfer case add cost and weight providing items that aren't particularly valuable from to a majority of new buyers. And, frankly, the competition does the same thing. Toyota has to ask themselves if it is worth the cost and weight that reduces fuel efficiency on SR5s and Limiteds that will 95% never leave the pavement. Plus, there is a healthy aftermarket for underbody armor for those SR5 and Limited buyers that do want that protection.

 

[Pyral]

While great for the 2nd hand market that buys used SR5s to turn into off road rigs, standard metal skid plates on the engine, fuel tank, and transfer case add cost and weight providing items that aren't particularly valuable from to a majority of new buyers. And, frankly, the competition does the same thing. Toyota has to ask themselves if it is worth the cost and weight that reduces fuel efficiency on SR5s and Limiteds that will 95% never leave the pavement. Plus, there is a healthy aftermarket for underbody armor for those SR5 and Limited buyers that do want that protection.

Your right. It doesn't make sense, but neither does buying a 4runner when you'll never max out the capability of a Highlander. If people want to buy a boxy overbuilt 4x4 instead of a sensible car with mpg and no skid plates, then don't design it to be like the sensible car they already decided they didn't want.

The Pathfinder went that way, look where it is now. They started at the same place, but the Pathfinder is just another car that sells less than the 4runner while probably making less money per unit sold. Design the car people want, not the car people need (Toyota already has plenty of that).

It's allure is what it can do off the showroom floor, eliminating metal skid plates diminishes that. There is an after market, but it feels like nickel and diming, and it makes them lose some credibility if there is a huge list of deficiencies that must be addressed before I use it like how Toyota markets it. They don't have to be great, but they should be included on any legitimate 4x4.

 

[TexasFunRunner]

Your right. It doesn't make sense, but neither does buying a 4runner when you'll never max out the capability of a Highlander. If people want to buy a boxy overbuilt 4x4 instead of a sensible car with mpg and no skid plates, then don't design it to be like the sensible car they already decided they didn't want.

The Pathfinder went that way, look where it is now. They started at the same place, but the Pathfinder is just another car that sells less than the 4runner while probably making less money per unit sold. Design the car people want, not the car people need (Toyota already has plenty of that).

It's allure is what it can do off the showroom floor, eliminating metal skid plates diminishes that. There is an after market, but it feels like nickel and diming, and it makes them lose some credibility if there is a huge list of deficiencies that must be addressed before I use it like how Toyota markets it. They don't have to be great, but they should be included on any legitimate 4x4.

And that's why the advertising reads...

*Shown with optional dealer installed off-road equipment.

 

[Quentin]

Your right. It doesn't make sense, but neither does buying a 4runner when you'll never max out the capability of a Highlander. If people want to buy a boxy overbuilt 4x4 instead of a sensible car with mpg and no skid plates, then don't design it to be like the sensible car they already decided they didn't want.

The Pathfinder went that way, look where it is now. They started at the same place, but the Pathfinder is just another car that sells less than the 4runner while probably making less money per unit sold. Design the car people want, not the car people need (Toyota already has plenty of that).

It's allure is what it can do off the showroom floor, eliminating metal skid plates diminishes that. There is an after market, but it feels like nickel and diming, and it makes them lose some credibility if there is a huge list of deficiencies that must be addressed before I use it like how Toyota markets it. They don't have to be great, but they should be included on any legitimate 4x4.

The difference is that I can’t spend $1000 in the aftermarket to make a Pathfinder BOF and SRA. The difficult to change bits are the important ones to keep so the platform doesn’t turn into just another car. The SR5 will either be the clean slate for people that want to put their money into customization or the people that just like the look and feel of a truck based SUV. Lots of people prefer towing with BOF RWD platforms instead of car based crossovers, so the lack of armor underneath isn’t really an issue to them. Actually probably improves tow ratings and payload because the vehicle is lighter.