Post Your JBL Settings......

Markr

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Hi All,
There have been many discussions here about the 4Runner JBL system and the many likes and dislikes owners have.

So I'm curious. What have you found to be the best settings for your ear ?


Here are mine:

Bass 0
Mid -2
Treb +1
Surround: OFF
ASL OFF
Fad -2
Bal 0


I'm also curious how many owners have disconnected the center channel speaker and are presumably running a load resistor instead.


Thanks,
Mark
 
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Markr said:
Hi All,
There have been many discussions here about the 4Runner JBL system and the many likes and dislikes owners have.

So I'm curious. What have you found to be the best settings for your ear ?


Here are mine:

Bass 0
Mid -2
Treb +1
Surround: OFF
ASL OFF
Fad -2
Bal 0


I'm also curious how many owners have disconnected the center channel speaker and are presumably running a load resistor instead.


Thanks,
Mark


Can you explain more about what you mean on disconnecting the center speaker and running a load resistor? What do you mean by this and what does it accomplish? I'm surprised you don't run the surround option. Its a nice DSP and after all, isn't having surround on the whole point of having the 10 speaker JBL system?
 
The load resistor is to compensate for the fact that you took the 6 or 8 Ohm load off the amplifier.

And I am interested in everyone's personal opinions and settings.

Personally, I find the DSP to be tinny and artificial sounding. For two channel music I prefer no DSP at all. Bose would be the one exception. Their comb filtering is (IMHO) the best sounding DSP based system out there.
 
Markr said:
The load resistor is to compensate for the fact that you took the 6 or 8 Ohm load off the amplifier.

And I am interested in everyone's personal opinions and settings.

Personally, I find the DSP to be tinny and artificial sounding. For two channel music I prefer no DSP at all. Bose would be the one exception. Their comb filtering is (IMHO) the best sounding DSP based system out there.

Why 6 or 8 ohms? All the speakers in the system are 2 ohms.
 
I tend to agree with the tinny opinion on the surround sound mode. Just don't like it - my ears like stereo separation, where the sound field creates a more realistic reproduction. Most high end audiophiles far prefer 2 channel with absolutely no dsp - the pure signal as the artist recorded it - and I tend to agree. The recordings on your average CD are optimized for 2 channel playback, not surround sound, so any processing adds (to me) negatives, ie: information that isn't in the original recording. Totally different story for surround in movie sound - but I'm not watching movies in my truck. Not trying to be uppity here, just my opinion - my home system has a bypass built into the preamplilfier so that when listening to music, I get pure, unaltered stereo. Not audiophile quite, but midfi - Parasound amplification & processing, Soliloquy Loudspeakers (5.1 channels) and Rotel digital.

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mind if i ask here, i saw you guys have a "surround" setting in the jbl system. does that mean the jbl system without navi? reason why is because i don't think i can see the "surround" setting in my navi jbl one. thanks for reply and sorry to threadjack.
 
From what I have been able to learn about these amps they use two Analog Devices signal processors which are programmable with a proprietary program allowing JBL to program the same amplifier to change the sound field to fit many different vehicles according to the internal space. I count six stereo amplifier modules for a total of twelve possible individual drivers. In the T4r the subwoofer has two voice coils and ties up one stereo amp. Because of their preprogrammed nature an amp which looks physically the same in the Tundra would sound terrible in a T4R. Thats about all I can contribute right now but it should give you some idea of what your dealing with. It seems they went to a great deal of work to get optimum results.
 
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I also find that settings are subjective to the program material and the individual listener. For instance a classical recording would sound more natural with some fill rather than a hard left right presentation. The same is true of jazz as it makes the performance more intimate. In addition good highs help the listener hear individual instruments which are important to the performance of say a symphony orchestra.
 
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You're probably correct in an automotive setting, but in the high-end audio world, the proper stereo setup, with very good speakers, amplification, and front end (digital or analog) provides a far more realistic (imho) soundstage - with the right recording - in stereo. With the right setup, in the right room, your ears hear an expansive soundstage - instruments & voices come out of a wide, deep area that doesn't identify where the drivers (speakers) are. And I think it would be difficult to find any classical, or closely miked jazz, recorded in "surround sound" - it's recorded, generally, in stereo. Listen to a pair of Martin-Logans - close your eyes, and the speakers completely disappear into space. You can't identify an individual speaker - the two of them create a soundfield that is amazing... sounds come from seemingly far behind the speakers, in front of, and to the right and left of the speakers, with a thoroughly filled in front & center. And just to make this as flameworthy as possible, Bose ain't high end - it's just very good marketing. JBL isn't either...they are great high power concert systems, but certainly not remotely close to high end in the home or home theater realm. DSP creates additional information - channels - that aren't in the original recording (unless it is a rare recording done in multiple channels). Look at the Lexus Mark Levinson systems - and then look at Levinson's ultrapremium home systems. Any processing there is done to compensate for the acoustics of the automotive environment.

I guess, in essence, this is all completely and totally up to the individual listener and their subjective tastes - I just like the JBL system in standard stereo.
 
I agree that in modern times JBL Quality has slipped downhill with the company being sold at least three times. I have worked in the field of pro audio since I was 15 years old and saw the evolution of the loudspeaker from Altec to Altec Lansing to the split to James B Lansing. These companies pioneered the loudspeaker with focused magnetic fields better alloys such as Alnico, edge wound ribbon voice coils, stiffer cones and much more compliant suspensions, better phasing and timing. It may interest you to know that many theaters still use the Altec speakers. from the 40's and 50's. If I were to get the chance I would still jump for a pair of Voice of the Theaters. What I am trying to say is the modern speaker owes it all to these pioneers, and they still sound fantastic today. I guess I got off topic but you got me going.:D
 
In all honesty, I'm with you - old altec lansing theaters match really well with old McIntosh amps - or Marantz amps - tubes, or couse - and I actually still have a pair of Klipsch Cornwalls, and an older pair of Klipsch KHorns - they still sound great, and can be driven to ear splitting levels with about 10 watts...I think my K horns were manufactured in 1962 - they still make these on a limited/custom basis, I think. Just they're so big and ugly. But the soundstage is immense! The wife made me get something more modern. And Klipsch - talk about a high end group gone mainstream...you won't find many made in Hope, Arkansas anymore. I have a buddy that makes a nice chunk of change roaming for old amps, specifically, theater amps & speakers. Ebay straight to Japan or Europe...what he doesn't keep for himself. Those old Altecs sell regardless of condition. Not many more hiding out there.
 
In all honesty, I'm with you - old altec lansing theaters match really well with old McIntosh amps - or Marantz amps - tubes, or couse - and I actually still have a pair of Klipsch Cornwalls, and an older pair of Klipsch KHorns - they still sound great, and can be driven to ear splitting levels with about 10 watts...I think my K horns were manufactured in 1962 - they still make these on a limited/custom basis, I think. Just they're so big and ugly. But the soundstage is immense! The wife made me get something more modern. And Klipsch - talk about a high end group gone mainstream...you won't find many made in Hope, Arkansas anymore. I have a buddy that makes a nice chunk of change roaming for old amps, specifically, theater amps & speakers. Ebay straight to Japan or Europe...what he doesn't keep for himself. Those old Altecs sell regardless of condition. Not many more hiding out there.
 
Yeah I'd love to have a set of Klipsh corner horns. Talk about bass! My all time favorite transducer is the JBL LE8T with a free air resonance of 15 cycles! One awesome little driver. :biggrin2:
 
Wow, that's a lot of radio info there!
Guess I'm clueless when it comes to electrical components, and radio technology.
So my response is based upon a person who loves music, all kinds depending on mood.
If I'm in my rocker mood, bass is up to 4 or 5, the others are 4 or 3, and I have it tweaked a little over more so to the drivers side. And I do have surround on.
:rocker:
 
wait guys, i still don't get it, some members mentioned about the surround, but does it have that feature in the JBL navi system? thanks for reply!
 
Hey Eric....
Gee if I can get a co-worker to cover my shift...I could show you!! lmbo
Yeah, on the Nav screen, when you have the radio info up, there should be a surround sound button/selection on the touch pad. That's where mine is. You may want to go into Menu, and perhaps if I remember correctly, there is also an option there for set up I think.
Man, I need to find my camera, I could just post a pic.
~Melinda
 
Ruffian said:
Hey Eric....
Gee if I can get a co-worker to cover my shift...I could show you!! lmbo
Yeah, on the Nav screen, when you have the radio info up, there should be a surround sound button/selection on the touch pad. That's where mine is. You may want to go into Menu, and perhaps if I remember correctly, there is also an option there for set up I think.
Man, I need to find my camera, I could just post a pic.
~Melinda

thanks, i think i'll have to look into the menu or mess with the navi screen... duh, i have the truck for 9 months and didn't realize there's a "surround" button, how dumb i am, hahahaha
 
Ruffian said:
Eric,
Sent you a PM.
M

you know what, i couldnt' find the "surround" button, all i can find is "sound". if that is it, then i guess the navi jbl doesn't really have a "surround" setting to do. i just sat in the truck for 10 mins for listening to music, actually my first time did it, i've been too busy and no leisure time to do so since i got the truck... actually it felt very nice.... but now my picky ear started complaining the sound quality of the stock jbl speakers.... aw man, mod bug starts biting me again, basically i think replacing the front components and put a set of better rear speakers will do the job, i am not a very bass person, so stock sub should be fine.
 

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