Problems with shaking while towing.. Help!

Mojoski

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Hello, everyone!

I'm hoping you guys can give me some input on what I should do about an issue I've started having with my 1996 4 Runner (V6 Automatic w/ 4WD). I bought this vehicle when it had about 137K miles on it, about a year ago and I'm up to about 155K now. I have never had the transmission or 4WD parts serviced.

I primarily use it for two purposes. Most of the time I'm driving it back and forth to work 3 or 4 days a week, about 22 miles each way. In addition to that, I take about 8 to 10 trips a year when I tow a 12' x 6' trailer with three medium sized ATVs. Those trips are usually around 130 miles each way, and the last 20 miles or so are on dirt roads in the mountains. When on those trips I often go driving in the woods and through some creeks and what not as well..

So the bottom line is that this is primarily my way to work, but I also push it pretty hard with regular towing of a fairly heavy trailer and some occasional off road driving as well..

Anyway, I was all packed up this morning, had all my camping gear all loaded up and the trailer with the ATVs pulling behind, and I was on my way into the woods for some fun times. Suddenly I realized that I started feeling some serious shaking when going up some hills. If I pressed the gas a bit, and forced the truck to drop into a lower gear, then the shaking would stop for the time being. As soon as it went back into the particular problematic gear ratio, it would start shaking again.

Also, sometimes when I forced it into a lower gear by pressing the gas, I heard some knocking sounds that sounded like they were coming from up under the center of the vehicle.

I pulled over within 5 mins or so to have a look under the vehicle and see if I could see anything weird. I'm a bit of a auto dummy, however, and everything looked normal to me. I left the car idling and decided to check the oil and transmission fluid levels and the both seemed fine. If anything, the trans fluid seemed like it might be a bit high. I'm guessing that was because it was so hot from pulling my big, heavy trailer with the ATVs and coolers and such on it.

On a side note, my trans fluid dipstick is twisted almost a full turn. Is that normal? The thing was rather difficult to get back into the hole. Is that normal?

When I got back into the truck after checking the fluids, my check engine light was on (Great!) and didn't go off for the whole trip home. I had to call off the weekend of camping and ATV riding since I didn't want to get stuck out in the woods and wanted to get my 4 Runner issues resolved ASAP. I love this little vehicle and didn't want to do any more damage to it.

I ended up having to drive most of the way home (about 15 miles) in 2nd on my automatic transmission shifter in order to avoid the shaking problem. I just put my emergency blinkers on and drove slowly home. When I got home, it was even shaking when I tried to go into reverse to back my trailer into the garage. There is a slight incline up to my garage door and the truck just didn't seem to have any power, without feeling shaky and very strange, so I left my trailer in the driveway.

The good news, I suppose, is that my engine didn't seem to overheat at all, even when I had to drive home with the transmission in 2nd, so I guess my oil system and what not is OK still. I'm just hoping I don't need a new transmission.

One of my mechanic buddies said it sounded like an issue with my Torque Converter, and said I should likely flush out my transmission fluid and see if that helps. The problem was definitely getting worse as I drove the rest of the way home today.

I felt a little bit of a shake last weekend when towing, but got home with no problems and drove to work a few times last week with no issues at all, so it seems to be triggered by the extra work of towing my big trailer load.

Do any of you have any suggestions on what I should be checking out? Should I have the transmission flushed? The fluid seems slightly brown, as opposed to red. Should I be concerned about getting it flushed out? I have heard that can cause problems as well. Thoughts?

Any suggestions or tips you guys have will be most appreciated!

Thanks!

Mojoski
 
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Well buddy, you fried 3rd gear. If your feeling this heavy vibration, thats your clutch pack slipping. I'm thinking the fluid is probably old and burnt and its helping your clutch packs wear. The problem is your forcing your transmission to down shift which in return is shortening the life of it. You don't have to romp on the throttle to get it to downshift. Push the ECT Pwr button and the shift points will change at a different throttle positions.

For example, your kind bogging down going up this mild hill and your vehicle is slowing down but not enough to cause a down shift. You mash the gas and it finally down shifts.

ECT Pwr on makes for quick downshifting when the slightest powerloss occurs and keeps the engine at peak power. Get the tranny fluid drained and put some fresh stuff in there with a new filter and see what that does for you. No garuntee you didn't fry your 3rd gear clutch pack though..

PS, it would really help if you installed a Trans cooler if you don't have one. Autocrapic transmissions hate excessive heat cause by high performance driving.
 
Sounds like a T/C issue to me as well, flushing the fluid, or even just dropping the pan would be a good start. I think I would opt to drop the pan to at least see what the filter looks like. Yes, having the tranny dipstick twisted is normal and it can be a pain to slide it in, take a look at the path it has to follow. Good luck with this.
 
I agree with the above, start with a full service of the Tranny. Drop Pan replace fluids and filter. Also I hope with the towing you are doing that you at least turn your OD off. If you let the transmission go into overdrive and it keeps locking and unlocking the TC it will cause excessive wear as well.
 
The brown color of the tranny fluid indicates that it was overheated. I had a vehicle one time that started slipping in third gear occasionally. A good power flush and fresh filter took care of the problem. If you can do it, take it to a garage that can power flush it right. They put in additives to help the tranny system mesh better and shift smoother. Around my area, Central PA, it runs around $150 bucks. Also, I have been towing wood lately and I always use the ECT/PWR button even when the trailer is empty. It seems to run alot smoother. Good Luck with your problem.
 
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Sounds like it probably would be a good idea for me to look into adding an external tranny cooler as well, considering how much towing I do. What do you guys think?

How much should I expect to pay to get someone who knows what they are doing to flush and service my transmission and install a external cooling system?

Thanks, as always, for your input!!
 
Find a good independant tranny shop (not AAMCO or Cottman chains). Ask around for references. Cost for anything varies all over the country, so any estimates would be a wild guess.
And brown trans fluid does not meaned burned, just very worn and long overdue for a change. Burned fluid smells burned.
 
Wasn't the tranny after all!

Well, I found a Toyota guru here in Acworth that had 35+ "5 star" ratings on Kudzu, so I decided to let him take a look at it and debug the issue. Lots of people drive long distances from all around the Atlanta area to bring their 4Runners to this guy, so I figured he was the man to go see..

Come to find out it wasn't related to the transmission after all. It was an ignition coil going out and causing one of my cylinders to not fire. Also, the plugs and plug wires were all a mess as well. He found me a used ignition coil and replaced all of the plugs and wires as well. I am also having him replace my valve cover gaskets, which have both been leaking oil since I got the thing, while he's in there.

I should get the truck back early next week and will let you all know if that really resolved the issue. I was quite encouraged to know I hadn't torn up the transmission! Keep your fingers crossed for me!
 
It's called "Cabena's Japanese Auto Care". According to some of the first Kudzu reviews, I think it used to be called "Toyotech", or something like that..

Here is the Kudzu listing:

Cabena's Japanese Auto Care, 3790 Highway 92, Acworth, GA 30102 - Reviews

Chuck seems like a real nice guy. So far so good.. As I said, when I get the vehicle back next week I'll take the trailer for a tow and let everyone know how it is feeling. I was convinced it was a transmission related problem. Chuck could have taken me to the cleaners if he wanted to...

Mojoski
I'm in Acworth, what's the name of the shop?
 
Well, Chuck seems to have figured it out. I've been driving the 4Runner all week and it is driving like a dream. Thank goodness I didn't go to a "Tranmission Specialist" somewhere..

I ended up having Chuck do a whole bunch of other work as well, since I was so impressed with his honesty, quality of work, low costs and speed to get the repair done.

If you're in the Atlanta area and you need work on a 4Runner, I'd highly recommend him!
 
Excellent news, glad you got that thing fixed. Its very hard to find an honest shop around nowa days. Don't forget to install a transmission cooler to keep your trans healthy and remember to turn off the O/D and use the ECT button when towing to ease off the stress.
 

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