Prospective 4Runner - price too good to be true?

[Wandering1]

KDSS would definitely make it a better deal. In the SE, used 4Runners in good condition (i.e. not imported from the north and covered in rust) are at a premium.

30k here would net you a base 2012+/- SR5 with 60k miles, give or take. A 2013 Trail in beat up condition with KDSS and 45k goes for about 34,000 asking.

I got lucky and snagged a pristine 2014 Trail Premium KDSS in my favorite color with nav + cargo tray and every other option I wanted for 33,500 with 35k miles. Sticker was still in glove box for 41k.

It all depends on what's available to you. In my area, we rarely get trails, so the dealers won't negotiate at all. You'll never find one just sitting on a lot. YMMV

 

[Wandering1]

Hey, just looked at the Carfax on that badboy, and it looks like it spent most of it's life up in NY. I'd definitely check it for rust. Here in the south, you can find 4Runners (and other trucks) for great deals because they rust out in the north and get bought at auction for cheap. That could be the case here.

 

[LUVDA4RUNNER]

I paid 35 plus some change for my 15 trail premium

Does it have kdss?

 

[77Bronc]

I paid 35 plus some change for my 15 trail premium

I wish I knew how you paid 35 and change for a TP. I purchased my new TP for dealer invoice, 37400, the dealer hold back is 1100. So this puts it at 36300. I saw the paperwork. So when you are getting it 1000+ below their invoice minus the hold back, I just don't see how they are doing that. I looked for one year before purchasing, and this deal I got was the best I could find. I looked from Pensacola to Houston.

TPs in this are are very rare, and I was lucky to get this one in the magnetic gray color I wanted.

I had a coworker confirm the prices for me with his relative who manages a Toyota dealership in the Maryland/DC area. And the numbers are correct.

In the end I got a smokin deal, as they gave me $2000 more that I was expecting for my F150 trade in

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[Phoenix4R]

Hey, just looked at the Carfax on that badboy, and it looks like it spent most of it's life up in NY. I'd definitely check it for rust. Here in the south, you can find 4Runners (and other trucks) for great deals because they rust out in the north and get bought at auction for cheap. That could be the case here.

Seriously?

The truck is three years old. Sincerely doubt you'll find any rust on it. This isn't 1950, newish cars don't just catastrophically disintegrate from rust.

 

[Mkrespke]

If the used vehicle has the Toyota pre certified warranty for 7 years and up to 100k miles, it may be worth it to factor that in to the calculation too.

 

[jstim]

Does it have kdss?

I wish I knew how you paid 35 and change for a TP. I purchased my new TP for dealer invoice, 37400, the dealer hold back is 1100. So this puts it at 36300. I saw the paperwork. So when you are getting it 1000+ below their invoice minus the hold back, I just don't see how they are doing that. I looked for one year before purchasing, and this deal I got was the best I could find. I looked from Pensacola to Houston.

TPs in this are are very rare, and I was lucky to get this one in the magnetic gray color I wanted.

I had a coworker confirm the prices for me with his relative who manages a Toyota dealership in the Maryland/DC area. And the numbers are correct.

In the end I got a smokin deal, as they gave me $2000 more that I was expecting for my F150 trade in

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No, it does not have KDSS, but I wanted it that way.

I went through USAA Car buying services, which is powered by True Car. I think you are right, 36,300 was the price we started at. I ended up with $1K in rebates on top of the 36,300 putting me in that 35 range. I was stoked because you are right, that's a good deal.

 

[IceCold81]

I just bought a 2011 used trail w/kdss w/65k on the clock for $27K. I am not worried about a factory warranty. These vehicles rarely have problems. I looked at a new Trail but did not want to spend $38k before taxes for a trail w/kdss. I feel the used trail I have which is in near perfect condition will last just as long if taken care of.

Your not saying anything I would disagree with lol. You and I are probably on the same page LUV


And I'm entertained by all the feedback my post got.... What I will say, is that a lot you folks that think simply "buying new cuz it's hardly more expensive" need to go out and look at the current options available on the market both used and new, miles, options and condition etc pre AND post tax, and get back to me.

I'll also add the dynamic that not all used are created equally (Mine being one) that was listed as certified used with a nasty detailed carfax report and an extended 7yr warranty that the certified provides. I also have low 60k mileage, 3rd row seat, leather, 4WD and moonroof. To step into a brand new model of equal or better finish after tax/plates, interest rates, lack of rebates etc.... I can without a doubt guarantee this conversation of new vs used being so close in cost can be put to bed.

I'd also like to add where are you buying your vehicle, there is more inventory in different parts of the country, used trails are VERY difficult to locate due to low inventory and last but certainly not least how much rust will your undercarriage/chassis come packaged with? I just so happen to live in AZ with a vehicle that has zero rust. All things that demand attention.

But carry on.



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[IceCold81]

KDSS would definitely make it a better deal. In the SE, used 4Runners in good condition (i.e. not imported from the north and covered in rust) are at a premium.

30k here would net you a base 2012+/- SR5 with 60k miles, give or take. A 2013 Trail in beat up condition with KDSS and 45k goes for about 34,000 asking.

I got lucky and snagged a pristine 2014 Trail Premium KDSS in my favorite color with nav + cargo tray and every other option I wanted for 33,500 with 35k miles. Sticker was still in glove box for 41k.

It all depends on what's available to you. In my area, we rarely get trails, so the dealers won't negotiate at all. You'll never find one just sitting on a lot. YMMV

Bout the most sensible thing I've seen commented on this entire topic hahaha. Kudo's sounds like you understand the current state of the market for this vehicle. I JUST got done familiarizing myself all to well ha.

You can't TOUCH even a DECENT SR5 4WD with less then 65k 2011+ for less then 27k around here. I spent WEEKS plowing the classifieds even when looking for trails and could find almost no inventory. The one I did find was in cali personal owned and while being the lowest priced TRAIL I ever came across, it was still priced a bit below 30k, just what it is as far as the current state of this vehicles value.

For reference and fun.... Here's a capture of what the current state of the market is for this truck. A whopping 303 vehicles available IN ALL OF THE COUNTRY with varying trim levels of the SR5 spanning from 2010-2013, varying miles/colors/used/certified/trails etc.

http: //www.cars.com/for-sale/searchresults.action?feedSegId=28705&rpp=50&trId=25022&trId=33543&requestorTrackingInfo=RTB_SEARCH&yrId=34923&yrId=39723&yrId=47272&yrId=27381&stkTypId=28881&PMmt=1-1-2&prcId=28575&zc=85310&rd=99999&mlgId=28862&mdId=20482&mkId=20088&drvTrnId=27105&searchSource=SORT_USED&crSrtFlds=stkTypId-feedSegId-mkId-mdId&pgId=2102&sf1Nm=price&sf1Dir=ASC&sf2Nm=miles&sf2Dir=ASC

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[Phoenix4R]

Can you guys with this "Buy new cuz it's like barely more" idea, please tell me how buying a $36,729 BASE msrp SR5 premium with zero rebates available before sales tax (Not even taking into account Trails, limiteds and TRD's)..... is a better or even close to equal option of buying a 28,500 vehicle or even 29,999 SR5 with say leather, moonroof, 3rd seat, running boards, sub 65k miles etc?

I paid $35.5k for my new Trail w/KDSS at the dealer in Chandler. I'm not broke and this wasn't an aspirational purchase so spending an extra $5k for exactly what I wanted vs settling for a used truck that's been through god know's what was an easy decision for me. The Carmax in Gilbert had a couple used 5th gens, but they wanted ~$30k for them, they both had north of 40k miles on them, and they were both ex-rental cars. Plus, I wanted a Trail and these were SR5s. Easy decision.

Life's short and I don't purchase cars every day. It's worth it to me to spend a few extra gr's and get exactly what I want since I plan on keeping this vehicle a very long time.

 

[IceCold81]

I paid $35.5k for my new Trail w/KDSS at the dealer in Chandler. I'm not broke and this wasn't an aspirational purchase so spending an extra $5k for exactly what I wanted vs settling for a used truck that's been through god know's what was an easy decision for me. The Carmax in Gilbert had a couple used 5th gens, but they wanted ~$30k for them, they both had north of 40k miles on them, and they were both ex-rental cars. Plus, I wanted a Trail and these were SR5s. Easy decision.

Life's short and I don't purchase cars every day. It's worth it to me to spend a few extra gr's and get exactly what I want since I plan on keeping this vehicle a very long time.

Again your point is noted and I'm not disagreeing in the slightest. But your decision to commit to the additional purchase price is based on your own personal value and expectation you've put on the trail. The issue isn't what your "Willing to extend yourself to for what you believe is the right vehicle"

It's the position of the original argument that more or less... "Old vs New Pricing is a drop in the bucket"

Lets just take the figures of 30 and 35k not over complicating the scenario and then lets use 2.9% interest which I believe (I know but for arguments sake we'll just go with it) is a very reasonable and obtainable rate for used or new with a 5yr/60m term.

Your new vehicle of 35k (Assuming OTD) would place you at a payment with no money down of:
$627.35 a month

If one were to buy lets say a used vehicle (Not debating trims right now) for 30k, that would place you at:
$537.73

So even in just using this example, thats an extra $1,075 a year for someone to be financially capable of paying without compromising other area's of there day to day.

And to your example of your purchase.... It just goes up from there:
http: //www.cars.com/for-sale/searchresults.action?feedSegId=28705&rpp=50&trId=55489&trId=33543&requestorTrackingInfo=RTB_SEARCH&stkTypId=28880&PMmt=1-1-2&zc=85310&rd=99999&mdId=20482&mkId=20088&searchSource=SORT_NEW&crSrtFlds=stkTypId-feedSegId-mkId-mdId&pgId=2102&sf1Nm=price&sf1Dir=ASC&sf2Nm=location&sf2Dir=ASC

Now while I'm not calling you a liar that you got your trail for that price, if you did, it's a remarkable deal and congrats. But pending availability and trim levels it's not the typical selling price of that truck. I'd also like to add, that at the risk of assuming, I can almost guarantee you didn't walk OTD at that price, I'm sure that price didn't include your Taxes/doc/plate etc. which changes the bottom line figures substantially.

All that said, the only reason I even put this much time into discussing the variables is because there is a very real difference between the bottom line and for some folks that difference is going to be very clear reason why used vs new is hardly a "No brainer to buy new" if you see what I'm saying? A hundred + dollars is someones school loan, utility bill or grocery fund per month. That is a very clear reason why used vehicles make sense for some and other have the LUXURY of buying new and what they want.


Please by all means discuss



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[77Bronc]

Life's short and I don't purchase cars every day. It's worth it to me to spend a few extra gr's and get exactly what I want since I plan on keeping this vehicle a very long time.

I agree, I purchase new and keep my vehicles for 10 years+. Will more than likely keep this 4Runner for longer than this. Down here, the 4WD trucks are usually well used and while I would consider a used Toyota branded vehicle, I would not purchase a used 4Runner. This is my weekend vehicle, not a commuter. My 1996 T100 is my daily...yes I know it violates my 10 year rule, but it was my dads truck, he gave it to me.

Finding a new TP let alone a nice used one is very, very difficult. My TP does not have KDSS, had only floor mats, nothing else. My dealer located it in transit, hijacked it from another dealer, not sure how he did this, but it is in my driveway now.

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[Nu4RNRnPA]

I'm looking at my first 4Runner purchase... My dealer has an inbound 2016 limited with most options (3rd row, auto running boards, remote start etc). Listed at less than 45k w/o tags & tax. 7yr/100k 0 ded warranty for an extra $1310. I'm seriously considering making my deposit today. I intend to keep this for at least 10 years if not longer. The prices of CPO versions were Withinn a few thousand $....I need the 3rd row so TRD and trail are not options. Wife will drive it occasionally and with the kind of winters we've been having in the northeast, full time 4wd is a great luxury to have. I may do the occasional off road trek but nothing serious. I need a reliable 4wd that can carry the kids and get me to work through all weather conditions. Buying new gives me peace of mind especially since I hope to have it a long time and it may even be my kids first car in a few years.:guitar3:

 

[littlehandegan]

I'm looking at my first 4Runner purchase... My dealer has an inbound 2016 limited with most options (3rd row, auto running boards, remote start etc). Listed at less than 45k w/o tags & tax. 7yr/100k 0 ded warranty for an extra $1310. I'm seriously considering making my deposit today. I intend to keep this for at least 10 years if not longer. The prices of CPO versions were Withinn a few thousand $....I need the 3rd row so TRD and trail are not options. Wife will drive it occasionally and with the kind of winters we've been having in the northeast, full time 4wd is a great luxury to have. I may do the occasional off road trek but nothing serious. I need a reliable 4wd that can carry the kids and get me to work through all weather conditions. Buying new gives me peace of mind especially since I hope to have it a long time and it may even be my kids first car in a few years.:guitar3:

We just paid $39,466 for a 2015 Limited with msrp of $45,350 or so and had them throw in tinted windows, rubber floor mats and free oil changes for life.

 

[Dalko43]

OP, the asking price is not at all unreasonable, though I'd do some extensive auto trader and cars.com research to make sure that the price matches up with other 4runners of similar mileage and trim....if you find some other 4runners going for less, you might be able to leverage the dealers into lowering the price.

But all in all, $30k for a 24k on the clock 4runner trail is not horrible...perhaps I'd try to haggle the price down $1k or so, but that is location and time dependent.

As for the 'new vs used' argument that seems to be popping up here, you should know your own preferences better than anyone else on this forum. Some people prefer to have a brand new vehicle (peace of mind, no prior use/abuse, new car smell, ect.).

Others prefer to save money by buying used. If you buy a mildly used and reliable vehicle, still within factory warranty (as you are doing) there is very little risk involved...plus you can always get an extended warranty from a dealer if you don't want to maintain the vehicle yourself.

I felt comfortable buying a used 4runner because:
-it still had powertrain warranty remaining
-it's a 4runner; it was built to withstand hard use and abuse, so a 30k miles already on the clock is really not a big deal for my truck's lifespan
-I'm planning on modding the 4runner eventually; buying a new car for modding/project purposes just doesn't make fiscal sense to me.

If I were buying a porsche or exotic sports car, buying new might make more sense since reliability and maintenance is a costly issue for those cars when they fall out of warranty (though leasing might make more sense, money-wise)....but we aren't talking about an exotic car here, it's a freaking Toyota SUV...they're built to last.

If you find yourself agreeing with that line of logic, go ahead and buy that used 4runner.

If you don't agree, go find a new 4runner.

Nothing wrong with either decision; it's solely up to the individual.