Quick bolt on lift!

mgson

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I'm looking for the quickest some what inexpensive bolt on 3" lift kit. I'd ideally like to run 35" tires but it seems as though I'd need to piece different kits together. I don't want to spend more time working on my rig rather than driving it. What do you guys think about lifts? And what exactly am I looking for? Btw I plan to hit a lot of trail every weekend which I already do. And I'll be carrying a lot of equipment for camping.
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most lifts are a quick bolt on it took me a day to do coilovers and all the suspension components, i would go with a icon or radflo kit and a 1 inch body lift with trimming to fit 35s you won't want to half ass suspension components
 
Get Icon/King/Fox coilovers up front, and matching 2.5" rear shocks if you want to buy once, cry once, and not break anything with the 35's on trails, especially if you start adding lots of weight with bumpers and skid plates. Your only real choice would then be what spring stiffness/ lift amount do you want for the rear.
 
What do you guys think about the OME kit on toy tech website?
Its a solid pick and what I am running. For the price, it is your best option as far as durability and strength.

The ride is much stiffer than using bilstien shocks (comparably priced), but I it has a better value because its increased strength. Haven't seen any reports of broken OME shocks....
 
Unless you pay for quality parts and professional install you WILL spend a lot of time working on a 4th gen 4runner with 35" tires. There is just a lot to do and maintain. And if you offroad, you will break things. Offroading and wrench turning go hand in hand. Anyone who tells you different spends a lot of money not having to work on their own ride.
 
Your goals sound a bit counter-intuitive.

How hard do you plan on wheeling? You said you plan on hitting the trails rather frequently, depending on how hard you plan on wheeling the vehicle; an "inexpensive" lift won't last you long.

You also talk about wanting to carry a ton of equipment and weight, and run larger tires; again all counter-intuitive to "inexpensive."

A lot of people cheap out on suspension (I understand why) and often regret it later. It'd be better to get used to the vehicle and plan out your build & budget than just throw on the cheapest thing you can get and hope it works.
 
Its a solid pick and what I am running. For the price, it is your best option as far as durability and strength.



The ride is much stiffer than using bilstien shocks (comparably priced), but I it has a better value because its increased strength. Haven't seen any reports of broken OME shocks....



Okay cool that's what I've been reading lately is that OME is pretty much the way to go
 
Unless you pay for quality parts and professional install you WILL spend a lot of time working on a 4th gen 4runner with 35" tires. There is just a lot to do and maintain. And if you offroad, you will break things. Offroading and wrench turning go hand in hand. Anyone who tells you different spends a lot of money not having to work on their own ride.



I'll be doing all the work myself including alignments
 
Your goals sound a bit counter-intuitive.

How hard do you plan on wheeling? You said you plan on hitting the trails rather frequently, depending on how hard you plan on wheeling the vehicle; an "inexpensive" lift won't last you long.

You also talk about wanting to carry a ton of equipment and weight, and run larger tires; again all counter-intuitive to "inexpensive."

A lot of people cheap out on suspension (I understand why) and often regret it later. It'd be better to get used to the vehicle and plan out your build & budget than just throw on the cheapest thing you can get and hope it works.



I guess what I'm looking for is a durable trail ready vehicle, rubicon ready but I'm not another dip shit who looks to climb over every rock they encounter. I'd rather spend my time on the trails getting to the lake to do some fishing haha
 
What are you currently running for UCA? I'm considering making my own.

Camburg, All-Pro, Total Chaos and Icon all offer similar uniball control arms. Get whichever one is cheapest. Watch for a group buy

As far as suspension, like BlackWorksInc said, it pays to do it right the first time. If you plan on running 35s and running extra load, it's cheaper to buy quality suspension parts.
 
I guess what I'm looking for is a durable trail ready vehicle, rubicon ready but I'm not another dip shit who looks to climb over every rock they encounter. I'd rather spend my time on the trails getting to the lake to do some fishing haha

That's a good starting point. How much additional weight are you planning on? i.e. bumpers, racks, winches, coolers, ect. That will help narrow if you need a beefier 2.5" diameter suspension set-up or if you will be fine with a 2.0" diameter set-up.

What size & type of tire do you plan on running, will the wheels be bigger (i.e. larger diameter or wider) than factory as well? Do you plan on running trails at a quicker pace or slower crawl?

The better idea you have of the vehicle use/loadout, the better you can plan what the vehicle will need. Because honestly if you're just gonna keep it mostly stock save for 33's and you're not gonna wheel it that hard or overload it for trips; 5100's with a spacer isn't a bad starting point.

But if you're planning on a front bumper, skid plates, 34" or 35" tires, sleeping platform with cooler, ect. then you'll want 2.5" diameter coilover suspension and a set-up that will better compliment the vehicle's build.

It's all about context. For example, I never really planned on 35's originally (it was wishful thinking more than anything else when I first bought the 4th gen). But I knew I wanted skid plates, full metal front bumper, and other stuff. So I saved up and invested in my OLW 2.5" Coilover set-up (made by Radflo), the 700lbs springs are stiffer than most kits (usually I see 600~650lbs offered) but better compliment the front bumper and extra weight from the skids. The front and rear shocks are 2.5" diameter and the kit nets me about 3" of suspension lift. That was the second mod I made to the vehicle before putting 33" tires on it (the first being the bumper), but the only modification I have made to the suspension has been new UCAs (from my recent run in with a log on the trail) to replace my old SPC ones and gusseting the spindles since I was replacing stuff anyways and I wanted to strengthen the front for the 35's better.

It was an expensive set-up (I think the kit with SPC UCAs came out around $2400 in just parts), but the suspension has done me great and let me focus on loading up the 4Runner with the stuff I want to do without having to second guess if I am straining the suspension. If I had gone with say 5100's or a spacer lift I would have easily blown my shocks by now if not bent them (based on how I drive the vehicle and how heavy she's gotten) and I would be spending $2400 on top of the initial probably $600~700-ish I spent on the more affordable lift.

It's all about planning, I was just explaining this to a coworker who's thinking of getting a 5th gen he may lightly off-road. I told him the same thing, "drive it, get used to it off-road and decide what you're gonna do with the vehicle; once you have that in mind planning out a build is easier."

Not trying to beat you up on this, but this is a case where "measure twice, cut once" is honestly a better approach. It may be more beneficial in the long run to save up for a proper coilover set-up if you're gonna really use the vehicle vs. having to replace a more affordable lift later down the line because your mods outgrow it or you break it. :)
 
That's a good starting point. How much additional weight are you planning on? i.e. bumpers, racks, winches, coolers, ect. That will help narrow if you need a beefier 2.5" diameter suspension set-up or if you will be fine with a 2.0" diameter set-up.



What size & type of tire do you plan on running, will the wheels be bigger (i.e. larger diameter or wider) than factory as well? Do you plan on running trails at a quicker pace or slower crawl?



The better idea you have of the vehicle use/loadout, the better you can plan what the vehicle will need. Because honestly if you're just gonna keep it mostly stock save for 33's and you're not gonna wheel it that hard or overload it for trips; 5100's with a spacer isn't a bad starting point.



But if you're planning on a front bumper, skid plates, 34" or 35" tires, sleeping platform with cooler, ect. then you'll want 2.5" diameter coilover suspension and a set-up that will better compliment the vehicle's build.



It's all about context. For example, I never really planned on 35's originally (it was wishful thinking more than anything else when I first bought the 4th gen). But I knew I wanted skid plates, full metal front bumper, and other stuff. So I saved up and invested in my OLW 2.5" Coilover set-up (made by Radflo), the 700lbs springs are stiffer than most kits (usually I see 600~650lbs offered) but better compliment the front bumper and extra weight from the skids. The front and rear shocks are 2.5" diameter and the kit nets me about 3" of suspension lift. That was the second mod I made to the vehicle before putting 33" tires on it (the first being the bumper), but the only modification I have made to the suspension has been new UCAs (from my recent run in with a log on the trail) to replace my old SPC ones and gusseting the spindles since I was replacing stuff anyways and I wanted to strengthen the front for the 35's better.



It was an expensive set-up (I think the kit with SPC UCAs came out around $2400 in just parts), but the suspension has done me great and let me focus on loading up the 4Runner with the stuff I want to do without having to second guess if I am straining the suspension. If I had gone with say 5100's or a spacer lift I would have easily blown my shocks by now if not bent them (based on how I drive the vehicle and how heavy she's gotten) and I would be spending $2400 on top of the initial probably $600~700-ish I spent on the more affordable lift.



It's all about planning, I was just explaining this to a coworker who's thinking of getting a 5th gen he may lightly off-road. I told him the same thing, "drive it, get used to it off-road and decide what you're gonna do with the vehicle; once you have that in mind planning out a build is easier."



Not trying to beat you up on this, but this is a case where "measure twice, cut once" is honestly a better approach. It may be more beneficial in the long run to save up for a proper coilover set-up if you're gonna really use the vehicle vs. having to replace a more affordable lift later down the line because your mods outgrow it or you break it. :)



Thank you for your response I really appreciate the time you have put into this!

Okay so I'm fabricating my own front/rear bumpers to help with clearance, I don't plan on adding a ton of weight but for sure a smitty built 9500 winch in the front. As for roof rack goes I'm also fabricating that to be a full length rack in the event I do purchase a roof top tent. Full recovery gear, 1600psi 10lb co2 tank. All kitchen necessities coolers dishes and on 12gallon on board water/shower system.

As for tires I recently rode with a buddy who has 35's on his rubicon, even with the rag top his 35" open country mud terrains were very quiet. I'm leaning towards those but if not I had 33" Ko2 A/T on my previous 4Runner that worked pretty well.

I do want to make/purchase whichever is cheaper, full undercarriage bolt on armor. I will also be making rock sliders and rear ladder. In addition to me my son and wife I'll be hauling around my two huskies and lab. I know it's a lot of weight but I'm sure I'm not the first to do it!

So what do you think? I'm open to saving up for a good solid suspension if you recommend it but I'm pretty much ready to spend $1000 now and continually build up to the equipment desired for some solid 35's. I'll also be doing all the labor on the vehicle.
 
Thank you for your response I really appreciate the time you have put into this!

Okay so I'm fabricating my own front/rear bumpers to help with clearance, I don't plan on adding a ton of weight but for sure a smitty built 9500 winch in the front. As for roof rack goes I'm also fabricating that to be a full length rack in the event I do purchase a roof top tent. Full recovery gear, 1600psi 10lb co2 tank. All kitchen necessities coolers dishes and on 12gallon on board water/shower system.

I do want to make/purchase whichever is cheaper, full undercarriage bolt on armor. I will also be making rock sliders and rear ladder. In addition to me my son and wife I'll be hauling around my two huskies and lab. I know it's a lot of weight but I'm sure I'm not the first to do it!

So what do you think? I'm open to saving up for a good solid suspension if you recommend it but I'm pretty much ready to spend $1000 now and continually build up to the equipment desired for some solid 35's. I'll also be doing all the labor on the vehicle.


As for tires I recently rode with a buddy who has 35's on his rubicon, even with the rag top his 35" open country mud terrains were very quiet. I'm leaning towards those but if not I had 33" Ko2 A/T on my previous 4Runner that worked pretty well.
Honestly it sounds like you want to build this 4Runner up rather heavily and use it like it's meant to be used. I would look at mid-range/higher-end suspension kits starting in the 2.5" shock diameter, it's pricey but will be a better investment in the long run. As I said I personally run Radflo's 2.5" coilover set up and 2.5" rear shocks, the fronts use a 700lbs spring; I got mine from Overland Warehouse. But when they had to close up shop Radflo retained the valving specs and still sells the same kit. It rides well and handles off-road and on-road really well, I constantly get compliments and surprised quips on how well it handles for such a heavy/lifted vehicle (I am a spirited driver to say the least, though I have started to mellow out some on the road). You'll want a good set of UCAs, particularly if you're planning on 35's, I found my SPC UCAs to work great with 33's but when I went to 35's I was fighting them to get them in the 5~6° Caster range I wanted/needed. After hitting a log on a trail I use some insurance money and my own money to invest in Camburg's billet arms, they easily gave me 6° of Caster with room to dial it a bit higher if need be. Though you'll be plenty capable with 33's, the investment for 34's or 35's is extensive and expensive.

I will mention that I decided to settle with 35" Open Country R/Ts and have been very happy with the choice. They are very capable off-road and better in wet/snowy weather (according to Toyo's own ranking) while being a smidge better on the road, a better choice for a vehicle that's seeing equal life on and off-road from my experience. Something else to note is that those Toyo MTs are soft tires, if you don't chalk test them and make sure you get the right tire pressure for them and run a suspension that can handle how heavy that unloaded weight is they will wear out quickly and cup. I've seen a set on a Tundra with a bracket lift running crappy Pro-Comp shocks and way too high a PSI become so badly cupped they rattled your teeth loose all in under 1500miles.

You're gonna be looking closer towards $2000 for a good suspension. The Radflo setup is about that much: https://www.radflo.com/store/product/2003-2009-toyota-4runner-2-5-performance-system/#!prettyPhoto

(I would email them to see what spring rate they are using on that kit, I think that's a 650lbs spring which isn't bad but the stiffer 700lbs would be better for the bumper and winch).

Unlike most everything else that can be bought and installed in pieces, the suspension is sort of a "all or nothing" type deal, which is why I encourage people to save up and invest in the right suspension for their vehicle rather than have to go through a couple sets. :)

Post Note-

If you flip through my build thread you'll see the route I took, it's similar to what you plan on doing, I just haven't gotten around to doing the winch, on-board air, and such yet. :)
http://www.toyota-4runner.org/4th-gen-t4rs/84725-zombie-truck-2-0-mpav-build.html
 
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