Rarely Drive it, Q About Oil Changes

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I am fortunate to work from home so see very few commuter miles on my 2008 V8 SR5. When I do drive it it’s to/from the local airport or I choose the T4R over our other vehicle to run errands just because I like to drive it.

It’s been over a year since my last oil change and I’m only 2k miles into the “Change at X miles” 5K interval that they wrote on the sticker last time.

Question: Is it really necessary to consider time between oil changes, or is mileage all that matters (within a reasonable amount of time)?
 
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Normally, most conventional motor oil has a shelf life of a couple years. If the oil in it is partial or full synthetic, then you are for sure good to go for quite a while longer, the stabilizers and lack of paraffin will let the oil do it's job until it hits your interval. I'd say you're fine for at least another year until switching it out. Or, just change it! It's a cheap and easy thing to do. :cheers:
 
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I'm in a similar situation...only drive my 05 v8 on weekends and get only about 3,000 miles a year. I've talked to several shops, viewed the various youtube videos, etc. There are all kinds of opinions, but I've come to this conclusion for my vehicle...

If running a GOOD quality dino (non-synthetic) oil or cheap synthetic oil...change about every 5,000 miles or 6 months...which ever comes first.

If running a GOOD quality synthetic oil (me, I run Mobil 1)...change every 7,000 to 8,000 miles, or every year...which every comes first.

Oh, and change oil filter whenever you change your oil.

But again, opinions differ and ultimately, you'll need to decide what is best for you (sleep at night) and your vehicle. As for me, I change my oil and filter once a year regardless of mileage (usually around 3,000 or less).
 
Also, in most vehicle owner's manual, it states both mileage and time...recommends various maintenance items on which ever comes first...mileage or time.
 

Even with low mileage "garage queen" cars, oil is changed once a year no matter what.
 
Appreciate the input all, looks like I’ll be making an appointment for an oil change.
 
not sure where everyone is getting this info that oil needs to be changed every year... or especially that "most conventional oils have a shelf life of a couple years"... that is 100% untrue!

oil does not expire after a couple years on the shelf or in your oil pan. please do some actual research before posting false info like this. call any major oil company & ask that question, or any reputable machine shop or engine builder, or check out bobistheoilguy forum, they will tell you oil has an almost indefinite shelf life if stored in good conditions, the oil doesnt go bad & the additives dont expire. worst case is the additives may settle a little & if that happens simply shaking the bottle will mix them back up.

as for oil already in the engine, same as on the shelf, its does not just expire sitting there. as long as you do full warm ups when driving & not just 5 or 10 minute trips in the cold temps, the oil is burning off any impurities like condensation or fuel & the additives are neutralizing any acids or combustion byproducts.

i own 3 classic muscle cars & they get driven very little, maybe 500-1000 a year sometimes, i leave the oil in them for at least 2-3 years, longer if the total miles are below about 1500 & the engines are doing perfectly fine & when i do drain the oil it looks almost like new & i usually use it for another season in my lawn mower.

bottom line is that oil doesnt just go bad from sitting or from low miles. keep in mind oil companies & most mechanics are just trying to sell you oil or oil change service, rarely will they speak the truth on anything if it means $$$ in their pocket.

to the OP, save your money if you have low miles on the oil, especially if its a quality synthetic, 2000 miles or 1-2 years does not need to be changed! if you got roughly half the change interval miles, say 2500-3000 & its been ~2 years then maybe, but i guarantee if you sent a sample for analysis it would come back as perfectly fine & has many miles left.

heres a direct quote from valvoline: i suggest reading their or other companies FAQ's or call their tech line for actual facts on the matter, not just random uneducated opinions on a forum.

GENERAL MOTOR OIL FAQ
Does motor oil expire? If not, how long does motor oil generally last?

Valvoline motor oils do not have documented expiration dates. When stored under optimal conditions, the product remains stable for an extended period of time. It can be used as long as the American Petroleum Institute (API) rating on the label continues to meet or exceed the requirements listed in your car’s owner's manual. If the rating is still current, we advise you shake the container before use to blend any additives that may have settled.
 
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Appreciate the input firebirdguy, that’s what I thought also (doesn’t ”expire”, marketing gimmick)...

Separate note: If you have pics or videos anywhere on the web of your cars, I wouldn’t mind checking them out.
 
Appreciate the input firebirdguy, that’s what I thought also (doesn’t ”expire”, marketing gimmick)...

Separate note: If you have pics or videos anywhere on the web of your cars, I wouldn’t mind checking them out.

you are welcome. i see soooo much misinfo on oil these days, i try to provide accurate info when i can, not just opinion, but facts based on years of research & talking to major oil companies & reputable engine builders. in the high performance world, oil is much more important than your average daily driver or SUV type vehicles. when you spend thousands of dollars, sometimes $10 grand or more, on just the engine, you want to know as much as possible about oil.

i can post some pics of my cars if interested. im a diehard pontiac guy & own 3- 2nd gen firebird & trans ams... like the smokey & the bandit style cars. all fully restored myself, i did all the work except the engine machine work & actual spraying of the paint. one is a 550hp pontiac v-8 that i drag race a lot... oil is very important in that type of car.
 
Good thread. I am retired and put on 200-300 miles a month. wife went for lifetime oil changes on her 1 gen Tacoma. Service writer said I was good for that. surprise. now I get 2 a year.
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2007 SE V6 Titanium. about 46xxx miles now.
 
Disagree with Firebird with oil in the engine. Oil is designed to lubricate, hold dirt and has a time release of detergent for cleaning. Once the oil is in the engine it's considered activated. It only has so much time release detergent.

Oil service at the dealer is not expensive. Definently cheaper to service at least once a year than deal with whatever happens when you do not service the vehicle. Avoid Fram filters.

Oil sitting on the shelf i have no opinion.
 
Blackstone oil analysis

If you don't mind paying for an analysis get it done and you will get the answers to your oil issues. I work for a Gov. fleet and we send out oil analysis to Blackstone all the time and they tell us exactly all their finding and how much life is left in the oil so that we could extend their interval if needed we also find potential problems in the process like finding water or diesel fuel in the oil etc.
 
Disagree with Firebird with oil in the engine. Oil is designed to lubricate, hold dirt and has a time release of detergent for cleaning. Once the oil is in the engine it's considered activated. It only has so much time release detergent.

Oil service at the dealer is not expensive. Definently cheaper to service at least once a year than deal with whatever happens when you do not service the vehicle. Avoid Fram filters.

Oil sitting on the shelf i have no opinion.

can you post your resource or a document for this "time release detergent" thing you speak of? so your saying that once oil is poured in the engine a magical clock starts ticking & the oil just goes bad from time alone? no offense, but you really need to do some research on oils if you think thats the case.

oil is not "activated" when it gets put into the engine, oil doesn't know if/when it was poured into an engine & absolutely does not have time release detergents. the additives in oil, including detergents, are there to counteract acids & combustion byproducts & hold debris & it does that as they are produced from the engine... until the additives are depleted or worn out from use, they will remain in the oil & are not effected by time alone. granted you dont want to leave it in there with a couple thousand miles for 5-10 years, but a couple years with low miles is not an issue at all. oil analysis labs will say the same thing.

oil sitting on the shelf isnt really subject to opinion... oil companies say for a fact that oil doesnt expire if stored properly.

i agree 100% with having oil analysis done if you want to know what the condition of your oil is. its usually about $20-$25 to test a sample & they will tell you not only what the condition of the oil is, but also tell a lot about how the engine is doing, they can identify worn bearings or other metal parts, coolant contamination for head gasket issues & fuel percentage to identify worn rings etc. i have read countless analysis results where people send in samples with very high miles, 5000-10,000 miles & 2-3+ years of use & the results come back saying there is still plenty of life left in the oil... of course if the engine is in good running condition.

do what you like with your oil, but just realize the whole 3000 mile change or every year regardless of miles thing is a myth & doing it that soon is a waste of money & resources.
 
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Articles I read on engine oil detergent was late 2006, early 2007. Not available on the internet. Can't find any current deep dives. Most like what I found at Penzoil say detergent is sacrificial over the life of the oil.

One could do an engine oil analysis. The base price for oil analysis is $28. Not much more just to have it changed. I don't get the drama on avoiding an oil change. It's cheap.


What is Motor Oil? | Pennzoil


Why Motor Oil Deteriorates
 
ok was just curious where you got that info from... ive been researching oil since the early 2000s or so when they started first reducing the zinc additives (zddp) due to damage to catalytic converters it caused. in older v8's, zddp is the main additive used to combat extreme friction on cam/lifters, big cams need zddp or they will fail & that was a very big problem starting in the late 90's & early 2000's.

& with all the research i did in the early-mid 2000's, i found nothing saying oil is "activated" when poured into the engine nor do detergents expire just from time alone. (within reason) & still today there is no mention of what you claimed about oil being activated. bottom line is additives & detergents get depleted or used up from use, not time.

no drama at all, someone asked a question & i provided accurate information & some info on what was said... & nobody is trying to avoid oil changes, just not change it when its not needed. quality oil these days isnt really cheap, a good synthetic costs upwards of $6-$8 per qt, plus a good filter thats close to $40-$50 for just the oil/filter. & a dealership or most shops charge $30-40 for regular oil changes. some guys are on a budget &/or dont want to throw away perfectly good oil.

again, use whatever oil you like & change it when you like, but if you are changing it just because its been 1 year or you have only 1000-2000 miles, it's a waste of money.
 
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I too rarely drive my 4Runner, its used leisurely to tow my boat and/or family vacations, weekend getaways, so it gets around 5K miles per year. So, here is my take on oil change intervals... If the vehicle is parked outdoors i change it once a year, usually right around winter or just after because of the condensation that builds from the rainy season. If it is garage kept, i go strictly on mileage.
 
Have seen a writeup about dino oil degrading immediately, after it has been poured into the engine and used, so sludge builds up if rarely driven.

Synthetic oil on the other hand is not affected by that.
Check bobisthe oil guy, he has loads of info on oil
 
Have seen a writeup about dino oil degrading immediately, after it has been poured into the engine and used, so sludge builds up if rarely driven.

Synthetic oil on the other hand is not affected by that.
Check bobisthe oil guy, he has loads of info on oil

can you post a link to this write up? dino oil does not "degrade immediately"... this is a new one for me, ive heard a lot of incorrect things about oil but never that it degrades or is activated when added to the engine.

yes please check out bobistheoilguy... ive been a member there for 10+ years & have never heard about dino oil degrading just because it was added to the engine, or at least not for any normal or extended oil change timeframes. 5-10 years maybe, but 1-3... no way!
 
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