Rear spring recommendations for my setup

[the_welfare_wagon]

So I’ve been rocking OME 890s for a while now and I’ve determined that they just can’t handle the weight I throw at them. Over the past couple years they have sagged and I’m basically back to being stock height and loaded up I’m doing the Carolina squat.

My set up is as follows: all weights are approximate

Regular driving: ~330lbs
RTT: 120lbs
Platform:70lbs
Roof rack:20lbs
Dual battery: 70lbs (in back of vehicle)
Back fold out hitch rack:50lbs

Now when I’m camping add about another 150lbs to the back of the car on top of 5 gallons of water on my back fold out rack and about 150-200lbs of firewood also on the back rack.

Fully loaded: ~6-700 lbs

I have stock bumpers and no lift. Just E rated 255/85s

Can anyone recommend a spring that will give me about 3-3.5 inches lift with my regular driving weight and not totally squat when I’m fully loaded. I’d like to stay around 2-2.5 inches of lift fully loaded.

I’ve looked at toytec and they seem to be the way to go but I’ve heard good things about dobinsons as well as other springs from other Toyotas.

Any recommendations besides the toytecs or are those my best bet?

Below is a photo of how I sat fully loaded with everything mentioned. I should also mention the front end was lifted up probably about 1.5 inches by all the rear weight

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[Jakeepoo3]

So I’ve been rocking OME 890s for a while now and I’ve determined that they just can’t handle the weight I throw at them. Over the past couple years they have sagged and I’m basically back to being stock height and loaded up I’m doing the Carolina squat.

My set up is as follows: all weights are approximate

Regular driving: ~330lbs
RTT: 120lbs
Platform:70lbs
Roof rack:20lbs
Dual battery: 70lbs (in back of vehicle)
Back fold out hitch rack:50lbs

Now when I’m camping add about another 150lbs to the back of the car on top of 5 gallons of water on my back fold out rack and about 150-200lbs of firewood also on the back rack.

Fully loaded: ~6-700 lbs

I have stock bumpers and no lift. Just E rated 255/85s

Can anyone recommend a spring that will give me about 3-3.5 inches lift with my regular driving weight and not totally squat when I’m fully loaded. I’d like to stay around 2-2.5 inches of lift fully loaded.

I’ve looked at toytec and they seem to be the way to go but I’ve heard good things about dobinsons as well as other springs from other Toyotas.

Any recommendations besides the toytecs or are those my best bet?

Below is a photo of how I sat fully loaded with everything mentioned. I should also mention the front end was lifted up probably about 1.5 inches by all the rear weight

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You'll want variable rate coils. I know skyjacker makes their coils specific to your 4runner and load. I'm sure the other companies do also and would probably want to call them with your load data to get a specific setup.

 

[Zhehan]

OME 861 would be a choice also. If you regularly have 330 lbs in the back, they'll probably sit at the height you want, plus handle the weight you throw at them for camping. As you mentioned, the Toytec 9602HD-P would be good for the 330 lbs you normally carry. You should ask them if they will deal with the 700 lbs. You'll have to get different shocks no matter which way you go.

 

[JoeT4R]

LC80 springs are good but not great at handling heavy weight. The 861’s are great at handling the weight but will have you sitting pretty high up in the rear. I personally have ran both and I much prefer the 861’s due to the overall feel of them. Absolutely no sag and ride nicely when coupled with LC80 Tokico shocks.


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[the_welfare_wagon]

LC80 springs are good but not great at handling heavy weight. The 861’s are great at handling the weight but will have you sitting pretty high up in the rear. I personally have ran both and I much prefer the 861’s due to the overall feel of them. Absolutely no sag and ride nicely when coupled with LC80 Tokico shocks.


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How much lift do you think I would be at with the 300 lbs I carry in the back?

I can always move up my front bilstiens to try to negate any rake but I’d rather not as they are stiff enough as it is. I just don’t wanna be sitting at like 4+ inches with all my regular driving gear


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[Jakeepoo3]

How much lift do you think I would be at with the 300 lbs I carry in the back?

I can always move up my front bilstiens to try to negate any rake but I’d rather not as they are stiff enough as it is. I just don’t wanna be sitting at like 4+ inches with all my regular driving gear


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You're thinking of linear rate coils that are too stiff unloaded. Variable rate coils will maintain your ride height unloaded and loaded. The coils are not evenly spaced which makes them variable rate. Unloaded you'll have your correct lift, ride height, and driving quality. Loaded the rate of deflection changes during compression and stiffens because the distance between the coils is uneven.

 

[socal_99]

Like others have suggested, OME 861 might be an option but they might run a bit tall without more weight. I am at the 2.5-3" range but I also have a plate rear bumper, fridge, sliders, and heavy spare out back on a swingout on top of everything you mentioned.

With just 300lbs load, I am thinking you'll be closer to 4-4.5" rear lift. I will be moving to 850s from my current 861s...

 

[the_welfare_wagon]

Like others have suggested, OME 861 might be an option but they might run a bit tall without more weight. I am at the 2.5-3" range but I also have a plate rear bumper, fridge, sliders, and heavy spare out back on a swingout on top of everything you mentioned.

With just 300lbs load, I am thinking you'll be closer to 4-4.5" rear lift. I will be moving to 850s from my current 861s...

Thanks! Thats just the info I’m looking for. It’s looking like the toytec springs are gonna be what I want. I’ve reached out to them multiple times and they never respond lol so I’m hoping someone on here can give me more info on spring rates and lengths


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[JoeT4R]

How much lift do you think I would be at with the 300 lbs I carry in the back?

I can always move up my front bilstiens to try to negate any rake but I’d rather not as they are stiff enough as it is. I just don’t wanna be sitting at like 4+ inches with all my regular driving gear


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I can’t exactly give you numbers of lift height as it will vary from truck to truck. I wouldn’t recommend lifting the front setup either as you’ll likely bind your axles and create an extremely harsh ride quality.

Why aren’t you okay with 4” of lift? Just curious


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[shadow247]

I have no specific spring recommendation, other than this.

Choose your spring based on how you load the truck 80% of the time. I mostly have 1-200 lbs of tools and spare parts in mine, so I went with the OME 906's over a heavier spring. I run Airbags to make up the extra spring rate and adjust as needed for the load.

This has been working great. I had 5th gen springs, and they were a bit too stiff compared to the 906's.

So don't worry about the 20% of the time you are loaded up for the trails, use the 99 dollar Airlift kit to take care of that. Match your spring rate to how you will be loaded more often than not.

Just my advice.

 

[the_welfare_wagon]

I can’t exactly give you numbers of lift height as it will vary from truck to truck. I wouldn’t recommend lifting the front setup either as you’ll likely bind your axles and create an extremely harsh ride quality.

Why aren’t you okay with 4” of lift? Just curious


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Since my front isn’t lifted I want to keep the rake from looking ridiculous. I don’t mind rake at all but I just don’t want a reverse Carolina squat situation lol.

When my 890s were new they were about 2.5-3 inches higher than the front and I thought that was a perfect look but over time they gradually sagged to where my normal load sagged it to stock ride height


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[the_welfare_wagon]

I have no specific spring recommendation, other than this.

Choose your spring based on how you load the truck 80% of the time. I mostly have 1-200 lbs of tools and spare parts in mine, so I went with the OME 906's over a heavier spring. I run Airbags to make up the extra spring rate and adjust as needed for the load.

This has been working great. I had 5th gen springs, and they were a bit too stiff compared to the 906's.

So don't worry about the 20% of the time you are loaded up for the trails, use the 99 dollar Airlift kit to take care of that. Match your spring rate to how you will be loaded more often than not.

Just my advice.

I was also thinking about this as well. I’ve heard lots of great things about airbags


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[shadow247]

I was also thinking about this as well. I’ve heard lots of great things about airbags


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I wheel the piss out of mine too. So no worries about them "popping" or anything like that. I even jumped it, halfway on purpose, earlier this year and got all 4 tires off the ground at the same time..

Bonus is they also act like bump stops to prevent harsh bottoming.

 

[the_welfare_wagon]

I wheel the piss out of mine too. So no worries about them "popping" or anything like that. I even jumped it, halfway on purpose, earlier this year and got all 4 tires off the ground at the same time..

Bonus is they also act like bump stops to prevent harsh bottoming.

What airbags are you using?


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[Zhehan]

What airbags are you using?


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This one is a popular option: Amazon.com

 

[JoeT4R]

Since my front isn’t lifted I want to keep the rake from looking ridiculous. I don’t mind rake at all but I just don’t want a reverse Carolina squat situation lol.

When my 890s were new they were about 2.5-3 inches higher than the front and I thought that was a perfect look but over time they gradually sagged to where my normal load sagged it to stock ride height


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I must have missed that part then, lol. Don't do 861's if you're still on a regular setup in the front, hahahaha. You might go through the windshield if you do. Carolina squat is yuck anyhow.

You may want to look into the LC80 springs. I had mine on for over 100K miles and right before I swapped them out they were settled quite evenly with the front, or at least I thought.

Here's a picture with the LC 80 springs. But again, still lifted in the front. Not sure how this would look with no front adjustments.

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EDIT:

Here's a great photo of the rear loaded down with probably 10 sandbags or so. They were about 30 pounds each, maybe? But I think this might be a good reference point in terms of weight and sag.

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[the_welfare_wagon]

I must have missed that part then, lol. Don't do 861's if you're still on a regular setup in the front, hahahaha. You might go through the windshield if you do. Carolina squat is yuck anyhow.

You may want to look into the LC80 springs. I had mine on for over 100K miles and right before I swapped them out they were settled quite evenly with the front, or at least I thought.

Here's a picture with the LC 80 springs. But again, still lifted in the front. Not sure how this would look with no front adjustments.

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EDIT:

Here's a great photo of the rear loaded down with probably 10 sandbags or so. They were about 30 pounds each, maybe? But I think this might be a good reference point in terms of weight and sag.

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How much lift would you say you got from them? What size tires are you running in the photo?

It’s definitely an option for sure and maybe I could supplement with airbags. I’m thinking I’ll have to go airbags regardless since I doubt there’s a spring out there that will do exactly what I want


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[JoeT4R]

How much lift would you say you got from them? What size tires are you running in the photo?

It’s definitely an option for sure and maybe I could supplement with airbags. I’m thinking I’ll have to go airbags regardless since I doubt there’s a spring out there that will do exactly what I want


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Sorry to let you down brother but I don't have exact numbers for you. I know this isn't helpful at all but I was hoping that at least a visual representation could stand for something for you.

The tires in those photos are 285/75/16's with 1.25" wheel spacers.

I've heard good things about airbags but I don't have any firsthand experience with them. It sounds to me like you're on the right path though. I certainly don't think money is no object but what I will say is that if you play around with different setups you'll be able to better determine what you do like vs. what you don't like. I've been fortunate in that sense over the past 10.5 years to play around with a few different setups and I'm very happy with what I've got now. Sorry for the rant, just wanted to add that little bit.

 

[the_welfare_wagon]

Sorry to let you down brother but I don't have exact numbers for you. I know this isn't helpful at all but I was hoping that at least a visual representation could stand for something for you.

The tires in those photos are 285/75/16's with 1.25" wheel spacers.

I've heard good things about airbags but I don't have any firsthand experience with them. It sounds to me like you're on the right path though. I certainly don't think money is no object but what I will say is that if you play around with different setups you'll be able to better determine what you do like vs. what you don't like. I've been fortunate in that sense over the past 10.5 years to play around with a few different setups and I'm very happy with what I've got now. Sorry for the rant, just wanted to add that little bit.

Oh no it wasn’t a let down at all. My 255s are only slightly taller than 285s are so that gives me a very good reference as to what mine would look like. I’m definitely considering those springs now. I was just concerned that they may have been 265/75s in which case my tires would be like 2 inches larger and take up more of the wheel well


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[Zhehan]

I have LC80 7.5 wraps on the back of my 4Runner. You can see my sig for my whole setup. 2+" in the front with the Eibachs. You'll be REALLY high in the rear without a load and no lift in the front. I'm nearly 2" higher than the front without 100 lbs of sandbags + subwoofer + tools sitting on the wheel wells with the 7.5 wraps. I have a hitch and 285 spare back there as well.

22.5+" in the front from the hub to the bottom of the Bushwacker flares
23.5"+ in the rear with all the aforementioned stuff in the cargo area

I have a set of 891s with less than 5000 miles on them. They have a spring rate of 210 lbs/in vs your 890s @ 190 lbs/in. Want 'em? $100 and they're yours, shipped.

Top pic is with the LC 7.5 + sandbags and the bottom pic is with the 891s and no load in the back other than the subwoofer and tools.