!!Recovery...Do Not Do's!! video

[CAN-03runner]

I can not believe these guys. This is everything you should not do for a recovery and what could happen that we never think does. Check out this youtube video YouTube - VERY professional kinetic rope snatch recovery ....NOT!!!!!!!

1) Winch line breaks, 2) Tow Cable snaps and shears hit windshield, 3) Tow ball used to pull almost snaps out etc...etc...etc...

Unbelievable. What are these guys thinking?

 

[PaulSula]

F-ing Pikeys!

 

[jca21]

too bad darwinism didnt take its course.

one of the first things you learn is to NOT use a tow ball for securing a line. thats just begging for a high speed projectile to come flying at someone can take their head clean off.

i like how the idiots were standing between the cars as they were pulling. pure genius.

 

[BlairB]

Why would you put a shackle between two straps? Just want a few pounds of metal flying at high speed when it breaks?!

 

[CAN-03runner]

too bad darwinism didnt take its course.


i like how the idiots were standing between the cars as they were pulling. pure genius.

What gets me is that it all seemed so funny to these guys. Laughing and joking.
I don't think they realize the gravity of what they are doing. Once the winch cable snapped I think I would have been traumatized for a while knowing that it didn't hurt anyone and in the back of my head I would know that it could have sliced someone open.

Also why aren't they shoveling some of the mud out from behind the stuck rover. No instead the put some kind of mud/sand ladders straight up probably creating more resistance.

One of the guys says we should probably chock the tires of the winching truck. They talk about it, they know they should do it, no one does it. Good thing these guys are across the pond.

 

[G.I.G.]

Good thing these guys are across the pond.

I kept waiting for one of them to say "If it's not Scottish, it's CRAP!" LOL

In all seriousness, that is very dangerous. The guy videoing the whole thing laughs a couple of times saying "Wow, that could kill someone". Uh, ya think?!?

I am no recovery expert by any means, but they broke just about every safety rule. I'm not exactly sure of the best way to tow someone out with a kinetic snatch strap, but I'm pretty sure the guy in the LR was a little too aggressive trying to yank him out.

This video is a good example of what NOT to do when you get stuck.

 

[SanDiegoUndead]

These guys were obviously out to cause mayhem. There are more videos of them TRYING to destroy that rover disco.

 

[SkylineGTRracer]

I love the use of a stone as a brake for that disco. FUNNY!!:snacker:

 

[Uneek]

The most nauseating video I've ever watched. :barf:

 

[CJ3Flyr]

I know very little about winching... Wouldn't one 'block&tackle' to add mechanical advantage, prior to the cable breaking, made the whole video a non-event? That would have cut cable stress almost in half and almost double the pull of the winch, right? The limiting factor would've been the traction of the Dosco with the winch, right?

 

[JohnsD90]

Mhmm, this was interesting, although i like their vehicles, thats about all i like, i have never done a recovery, but i do know that constant tension on the winch line and on a tow strap. What i would really like to know is how the hell they got the defender that far into the mudpit, the driver had to know when he hit he wouldnt make it through.

 

[RPC]

Wow.

To Chris' point, what would have been the correct way to recover that vehicle?

 

[aeathb]

Wow.

To Chris' point, what would have been the correct way to recover that vehicle?

Problem solved; You can recover it with your everyday Military recovery vehcile. Remember to use your emergence flashers...

 

[Mr. Leary]

Wow.

To Chris' point, what would have been the correct way to recover that vehicle?

Dig, jack, and fill. It takes a while, but it always works.

Problem with thick mud like that is the suction. Suction makes recovery difficult to impossible. The recovery featured in the video shows effort spent in the extraction facility of the operation, when little attention has been paid to preparation.... the type of recovery attempt very typical of a novice who lacks the fundamental grasp of the physics of the system, as they so aptly demonstrate. I'm sure that they have learned by now... stupidity can be unpunished only so many times before disaster strikes.... not to mention everyone on every forum is blasting them.

 

[RPC]

Dig, jack, and fill. It takes a while, but it always works.

Problem with thick mud like that is the suction. Suction makes recovery difficult to impossible. The recovery featured in the video shows effort spent in the extraction facility of the operation, when little attention has been paid to preparation....

GREAT! So what is the preparation?!

How does one recover this clearly stuck mo' fo'?!


And very witty Aethb, anything useful though?

 

[Mr. Leary]

GREAT! So what is the preparation?!

How does one recover this clearly stuck mo' fo'?!


And very witty Aethb, anything useful though?

Use a hi-lift. Jack up the truck and fill in below to break the suction before applying lateral force. Use of a kinetic strap is then recomended, as they used, minus the projectiles. Two straps can be joined with a rolled up magazine or small stick to keep them from making a knot. Give it a good yank or two, and see if it works.

If that does not work... break out the winch and the snatch block. A winch pulling at double capacity (ie, with a snatch block), should yeild enough force to remove the truck, but may take multiple iterations of rigging. The winch is always the safer extraction method for the vehicle, but caution should be exercised due to the possability that the winch cable can snap and be a danger to bystanders.

 

[CAN-03runner]

Wow.

To Chris' point, what would have been the correct way to recover that vehicle?

I have been stuck in that kind of mud and needed to be winched out. Using a shovel would be really hard work as that mud is really heavy, but that might be required as prep for the high lift to find some more solid ground below. Plus some type of plywood board for the jack to stand up on so that the pressure on the soft bottom will be spread.

Also they use those plastic traction aids....but they don't shovel near the tires they just stick them in the mud. Like they are magically going to find their way under the tires.

Maybe some digging around the vehicle, all the mud around the wheels and diffs are creating a lot of resistance. Plus you can see if you are caught on something. In one shot I see some tire in the mud, front right tire. It's like a motocross tire. Maybe the rest of the bike down in there....who knows.......

When I was stuck in mud like that I was lucky that the other truck that winched me out had a powerfull enough winch to just pull me out without digging and the stuck truck was a F150.

 

[RPC]

Nice guys, great responses!

 

[aeathb]

GREAT! So what is the preparation?!

How does one recover this clearly stuck mo' fo'?!


And very witty Aethb, anything useful though?

I think all of the possibilities have been said. A jack might work well, but I don't think shoveling would ever work. My friend who is in the army said short of the tank of course, they pull really stuck vehicles out with some really thick rope and a bunch of turn around blocks. He said they used 16:1 ratios on the really heavy, really stuck vehicles. I bet without carrying too much rope, with a 4:1 ratio the near death experience would have been avoided. IMO, leaving the truck in the mud was a better option than doing what they did.

 

[CAN-03runner]

I think all of the possibilities have been said. A jack might work well, but I don't think shoveling would ever work. My friend who is in the army said short of the tank of course, they pull really stuck vehicles out with some really thick rope and a bunch of turn around blocks. He said they used 16:1 ratios on the really heavy, really stuck vehicles. I bet without carrying too much rope, with a 4:1 ratio the near death experience would have been avoided. IMO, leaving the truck in the mud was a better option than doing what they did.

Oh Yeah aeathb, Shoveling around the truck would have been really hard, and the mushy mud would likely just fill back into whatever hole you just created. But if you have no other choice, you will just have to do it. And even after you have shoveled you will still likely need to be pulled out because you'll probably spin the tires into the soft ground. But....This for sure will make you learn in a hurry, to never cross mud without knowing what you are getting into and if there is no one to pull you out. Guys who do lots of mudding I have noticed often have a designated truck, which stays way out of the mud, with lots of cable length on a good strong winch and whenever they get stuck, they hook up the winch and get pulled out, no shoveling, no traction aids, no problem. Crossing this kind of mud, you will get stuck, just a question when and how stuck.